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Scottish independence: Scotland would be 'separate state'

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    #122
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That article is twelve years old, hardly relevant I'd say.


    Well seems this could happen in the next few years it is pretty relevant.


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    #123
    VinLieger
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Well seems this could happen in the next few years it is pretty relevant.

    Not if the threat is 12 years old


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    #124
    purplepanda
    Registered Users Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    George Osbourne on yesterdays BBC news reports is now trying to suggest that Scotland can't stay with sterling in the event of independence? Total scaremongering rubbish as Guernsey, Jersey & the Isle of Man as well as Gibraltar still are in monetary union with sterling & Ireland was also linked until 1979. :rolleyes:

    The UK should have been established as a Federal Union of four nations as per Gladstones vision, both Scottish & Irish home rule bills were passed before WW1. Unionists always claimed such concessions would cause the break up of Empire, centralised power & control from Whitehall continues to create division & conflict within these islands & nations to this day.

    A Federal Union was never an option due to extreme counter reaction by unionists splitting political parties & people apart. :confused:


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    #125
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    purplepanda wrote: »
    George Osbourne on yesterdays BBC news reports is now trying to suggest that Scotland can't stay with sterling in the event of independence? Total scaremongering rubbish as Guernsey, Jersey & the Isle of Man as well as Gibraltar still are in monetary union with sterling & Ireland was also linked until 1979. :rolleyes:

    The UK should have been established as a Federal Union of four nations as per Gladstones vision, both Scottish & Irish home rule bills were passed before WW1. Unionists always claimed such concessions would cause the break up of Empire, centralised power & control from Whitehall continues to create division & conflict within these islands & nations to this day.

    A Federal Union was never an option due to extreme counter reaction by unionists splitting political parties & people apart. :confused:

    He didn't say they can't, only that if they keep sterling they can't expect fiscal sovereignty. They would have to have their budget approved by Whitehall. Which is fair enough.


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    #126
    LordSutch
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    purplepanda wrote: »
    The UK should have been established as a Federal Union of four nations as per Gladstones vision, both Scottish & Irish home rule bills were passed before WW1. Unionists always claimed such concessions would cause the break up of Empire . . .

    "Break up of Empire" Why? why would Home rule bills for Scotland & Ireland spell the end of the Empire? please explain.


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    #127
    Kinski
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    "Break up of Empire" Why? why would Home rule bills for Scotland & Ireland spell the end of the Empire? please explain.

    You're in the wrong tense: "have spelled the end of the Empire?"


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    #128
    purplepanda
    Registered Users Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    LordSutch wrote: »
    "Break up of Empire" Why? why would Home rule bills for Scotland & Ireland spell the end of the Empire? please explain.

    Meaning that India & other Empire nations would demand Home Rule once UK nations had been granted self government.

    Background is all in this book "Ireland and the federal solution" by John Kendle

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ireland-Federal-Solution-Constitution-1870-1920/dp/0773506764


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    #129
    SharpshooterTom
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    I'm generally in favor of Scottish indepedance.

    But if there is one good thing that comes about Scotland staying in the UK, is it will completely piss off all the right wingers in England.

    Think about it, if Scotland went independant, the tories and UKIP would storm to power, England would pull out of the EU and go a lot further to the right.

    Thankfully, Scotland prevents the tories and UKIP from gaining power. The tories are likely to lose the next election to Labour, with Scotland obviously being a key Labour voting block in this.

    Scotland basically keeps a liberal/centrist check on Britain. Net migration should remain around 200,000 as soon as Labour come back into power, and all the right wing anti-immigrant idiots in the English press, the EDL etc will lose out as Britain continues to diversify even more. Scotland holds right wing Britain back, so its a win-win whatever happens. There wont be any EU referendum without a tory majority, and there's no chance of that happening with Scotland still being around. :D


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    #130
    djpbarry
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    I'm generally in favor of Scottish indepedance.

    But if there is one good thing that comes about Scotland staying in the UK, is it will completely piss off all the right wingers in England.

    Think about it, if Scotland went independant, the tories and UKIP would storm to power, England would pull out of the EU and go a lot further to the right.
    You think UKIP want to see the an end to the UK?


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    #131
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    djpbarry wrote: »
    You think UKIP want to see the an end to the UK?

    No because I suspect they are quite imperialistic by nature. But it would be of a great benefit to them if Scotland did go independant.


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    #132
    djpbarry
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    No because I suspect they are quite imperialistic by nature. But it would be of a great benefit to them if Scotland did go independant.
    Regardless of what happens to Scotland, there is absolutely no chance of UKIP gaining a position of power any time soon.


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