Violent Overthrow of the Government or:

markesmith

How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love The Relentless Spooning By The Financial Elite

I've read boards.ie since I was a young lad (late 20s).

I've seen all the threads there are to see, we've been going cyclical for the last ten or so years.

What happened last night was a joke, Irish 'shtyle', no preparation just staggering from crisis to crisis.

It's time we put down our computers, marched on the Dail and impaled people to get this country changed.

Seriously, peeps. Violent overthrow of the Government, none of this bullsh*t hubristic "Well why don't you go first", "IBTL", "tl;dr" yada yada

97 years after we get independence, are we going to prove that we are unworthy of it?

Come on boardsies, the deck's about to fall.

El Guapo!

Thread needs a soundtrack.

markesmith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1ct5yEuVY

Where To

Nah.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Needs more cowbell

or:

The King of Moo

Why do we have to do it?

Doc Ruby

what happened last night.

Pottler

You've come to the home of the keyboard activist looking for us to go out and impale people? Your sat-nav is broken.

Lone Stone

If we did our movement would be hijacked by extremist Catholics

drunkmonkey

I'm going bareback on horseback!!!

MadsL

El Guapo! wrote: »

Thread needs a soundtrack.

Or a montage. Yep, we are gonna need a montage.

ITS_A_BADGER

ugh do we have to?

G Power

markesmith wrote: »

How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love The Relentless Spooning By The Financial Elite

I've read boards.ie since I was a young lad (late 20s).

I've seen all the threads there are to see, we've been going cyclical for the last ten or so years.

What happened last night was a joke, Irish 'shtyle', no preparation just staggering from crisis to crisis.

It's time we put down our computers, marched on the Dail and impaled people to get this country changed.

Seriously, peeps. Violent overthrow of the Government, none of this bullsh*t hubristic "Well why don't you go first", "IBTL", "tl;dr" yada yada

97 years after we get independence, are we going to prove that we are unworthy of it?

Come on boardsies, the deck's about to fall.

the deck has fallen and nobody seems to want to try pull it back up which is the most frightening part of this whole mess

so many must be hoping against hope that things will just return to normal if we keep our heads down but that my friends is asking an awful lot of the bunch of crazies in control

i for one am not that trusting, slag me all ya want but it's served me well enough in life so far and kept me from being too badly burned by peoples greed and the likes

tayto lover

I'll bring a load of sandwiches and a flask of tay.

Pherekydes

I can't even wrest control of the remote off the kids.

washman3

Doc Ruby wrote: »

what happened last night.

There was NO deal, this is a stitch up (yet again) debts of tens on billions that the vast majority of Irish people had absolutely nothing to do with have now been lumbered on them,their children and grandchildren. No writedown of debt was secured. When Spain and Portugal reach this stage, thay will not settle for a shambles of a deal like this, they WILL get a major if not total writedown, while 'good man Paddy' will be tied to what he has already agreed to.:mad:

Max Power

But it's cold outside.

hmmm

And they say we should extend voting to 16 year olds. *shakes head sadly*

Yawns

Ah jaysus I just sat down sure!

rolliepoley

Green Day-Know Your Enemy

NegativeCreep

Does anyone else not have a clue what happened last night and more importantly, does anyone else just not care? Ignorance is complete bliss.

MadsL

Reviews threads castigating Americans for having the 2nd Amendment, then looks at Ireland and chuckles softly.

Yawns

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Does anyone else not have a clue what happened last night and more importantly, does anyone else just not care? Ignorance is complete bliss.

I was more interested in trying to find how to cook a penguin myself tbh.

NegativeCreep

Yawns wrote: »

I was more interested in trying to find how to cook a penguin myself tbh.

Ditto.

Doc Ruby

washman3 wrote: »

There was NO deal, this is a stitch up (yet again) debts of tens on billions that the vast majority of Irish people had absolutely nothing to do with have now been lumbered on them,their children and grandchildren. No writedown of debt was secured. When Spain and Portugal reach this stage, thay will not settle for a shambles of a deal like this, they WILL get a major if not total writedown, while 'good man Paddy' will be tied to what he has already agreed to.:mad:

Right well. Looks like the shinners are getting my vote next time.

Hijpo

Its the only way to get them out, governments before them have protected themselfs and there crooked counterparts by taking all the power away from people to do it peacefully and democraticaly when the people feel the need to, not when they are allowed, by then its to late and its another bunch of pensions garaunteed.

dvpower

Hijpo wrote: »

Its the only way to get them out, governments before them have protected themselfs and there crooked counterparts by taking all the power away from people to do it peacefully and democraticaly when the people feel the need to, not when they are allowed, by then its to late and its another bunch of pensions garaunteed.

Will you be getting involved in a violent overthrow of the government yourself, or will you be playing your part from behind your keyboard? :pac:

Hijpo

dvpower wrote: »

Will you be getting involved in a violent overthrow of the government yourself, or will you be playing your part from behind your keyboard?

You can be sure ill be doing more than you to try remove these clowns DV, judging by your other contributions in other topics all is well in your own little bubble. The words F**k you jack im alright, come to mind.

Doc Ruby

Incidentally assorted genuises, a quick excerpt from the treason act.

WHEREAS it is provided by Article 39 of the Constitution that treason shall consist only in levying war against the State, on assisting any State or person or inciting or conspiring with any person to levy war against the State, or attempting by force of arms or other violent means to overthrow the organs of government, established by the Constitution, or taking part or being concerned in or inciting or conspiring with any person to make or to take part or be concerned in any such attempt:

Punishment of treason.

1.—(1) Every person who commits treason within the State shall be liable on conviction thereof to suffer death.

Fortunately for you lot the Criminal Justice Act 1990 abolished the death penalty, setting the punishment for treason at life imprisonment, with parole in not less than forty years.

dxhound2005

markesmith wrote: »

How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love The Relentless Spooning By The Financial Elite

I've read boards.ie since I was a young lad (late 20s).

I've seen all the threads there are to see, we've been going cyclical for the last ten or so years.

What happened last night was a joke, Irish 'shtyle', no preparation just staggering from crisis to crisis.

It's time we put down our computers, marched on the Dail and impaled people to get this country changed.

Seriously, peeps. Violent overthrow of the Government, none of this bullsh*t hubristic "Well why don't you go first", "IBTL", "tl;dr" yada yada

97 years after we get independence, are we going to prove that we are unworthy of it?

Come on boardsies, the deck's about to fall.

We need more maths teachers.

Boombastic

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Does anyone else not have a clue what happened last night and more importantly, does anyone else just not care? Ignorance is complete bliss.

Super-Rush

You lost me at peeps.

up for anything

I've been hoping all day that a charismatic, young and energetic (possibly bearded because they always seem to be sporting facial hair) revolutionary leader will appear to put a gun in my hand and a song in my heart but somehow, I don't think you're him. :mad:

coolhull

Ok, here's what we'll do..... You post up your phone number and a name and address. When the revolution starts, you just text us all, and we'll come running to stand behind you

Just not on a Friday night, cos that's my night for a few pints.

Right, we'll leave it all in your capable hands.. but don't leave it too long.

Hijpo

With B&Q closing down in Athlone and Waterford were sure to get a deal on some axe handles and some of those bamboo garden lanterns for added hostility, nothing conveys revolution like someone raising a firey stick above there head

who_me

We're all behind you.

..quite a distance behind you, and admittedly going in the opposite direction. But still, the idea is sound! Less talk, more action! I propose a motion to immediately consider condemning procrastination.

TheBegotten

Apart from the obvious, over-bearing CARCASS that we call an economy, there isn't really anything else worth revolting about. We're still (mostly) functional as a society, we're not being oppressed by powers internal or external, and for the most part, we're well educated and respected as citizens.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not conservative (quite the opposite) but for a society to rebel there must be quite extreme conditions. That being said, you'll find me at any number of marches and protests in town. When the proverbial sh1t hits the metaphorical fan, I plan to be on the front line.
There's a certain irony here: I started a thread like this a few months ago...

Pilotdude5

We should get Ray Darcy an Zig & Zag to do it. Here's a video of them in the USSR. Three weeks later the Soviet Union dissolved.

Coincidence?

hatrickpatrick

I actually agree with this, and I'm generally a pacifistic person. We've "tolerated" enough. If the legal system refuses to get the job done one more time I honestly will call for mob rule, even for one brief moment - if our courts can't get Seanie, Drumm, Fingers etc behind bars with no hope of ever seeing the light of day again, I advocate public guillotining of them and subsequent mounting of their heads along O'Connell bridge to give passers by something to spit in.

I am sick and tired of seeing the f*cking "banking class" getting away with murder while the little guy gets jailed for having a couple of joints or not paying his TV license. Western society is insane at the moment and I genuinely am starting to believe that a violent revolution is almost inevitable at this stage.

Anyone who says it's about money is missing the point - money is an artificial concept designed simply to facilitate trade in real, practical assets - the physical materials used in manufacturing, the skills to manufacture them, transport, whatever. We still have all these things even if the money system has collapsed - it's like a perfectly decent car which has run out of coolant. You don't just sit there in the car moping about how you can't go anywhere, you CHANGE THE WATER.

The ONLY people who would get hurt are those who have trillions of euro of our current money stashed away. For ordinary people like you and me, life would go on.

It's already begun with things like bitcoin, an uncontrolled, decentralized and interest free currency. And it's no coincidence that the powers that be are so furious that it's impossible to shut it down.

Bottom line is there are more of us than there are of them. They can't force us to play by their rules anymore if we collectively stand up and tell them to f*ck off. Farmers can still produce as much food this year as they did last year. If I had the skill to build a TV last year, I still have it this year. If a newspaper had news stories to run last year, they have it this year.

Why should any of this stop just because a human created concept, artificial currency, is not behaving itself? It's LUNACY.

FoxT

Impaling people generally does not work. If I thought it would, I'd be all for it.

IBRC deal is a D- for the Govt, IMO. It is an improvement, but not good enough.

Don't get too wound up about that though. The press has been masturbating over the promissory notes for ages, but they are a drop in the bucket.

Ireland owes about 210 Billion.
The IBRC deal gives a bit of relief on 30 Billion of it.

Our grandchildren (The ones who don't emigrate) , will be paying for it, either way.

The real, root cause here, is fundamental economic mismanagement by Bertie & Co. They deserve to be punished. But, because they did not break the law, they won't be. The Seanies & Fingers did what they did, because they could. They were permitted & facilitated in their irresponsible dealings because there was no political will to stop them.

They shall be hung out to dry , in due course, unless they die first .... we shall see.

KyussBishop

Well, violence usually results in a government even worse than what was already in place originally, but I think it would be relatively easy to topple this government, just with the right numbers in peaceful protest.

The problem though:
Who do you replace them with, and what will be their plan for government?


The ECB/EU pretty much have us by the balls while we're still using the Euro, and they are not democratically accountable to us (sure, we have representatives in the EU, but Germany or any other large nation, can easily fillibuster actions needed for our recovery), so just how much mileage can we get trying to negotiate with the EU, and where are we going to be in 10 years time if that proves to be fruitless, but with us staying in the EU anyway?
It's not looking good. We are going to be in this same situation for at least another decade, if we stay on our current course, and in that time we will go through a lot more austerity budgets and social/economic destruction (things only get worse on our current course), and even when recovery comes we will be suffering the debt burden for generations.

So, we need a government that will be willing to seek out the widest range of alternative options possible, and who actually have the balls to fight for that within the EU (which our current subservient government is unwilling to do); there are actually no economic obstacles to solving the crisis in the EU, there are just political obstacles such as Germany vetoing necessary reforms/recovery-policies.

If after giving that a strong effort, it proves fruitless, we are going to have to look at much harder options, such as reducing our role within the EU, reintroducing the Punt (to get back control over monetary policy), and then we're going to have to figure out what to do with our debts.
Keeping debts in Euro, after switching to Punt, would be suicidal (having a huge amount of national debt in foreign currency, is what has caused hyperinflation for many countries); we may be forced to partially default on it, and/or convert it to Punt, which is also an effective default; this could cause political rifts with other nations (though arguably is less destructive for us in the long run, since we are taking serious damage from unemployment now).


Even then, we would need a government which actually knows how to economically run the country after a reintroduction of the Punt, who would have to have the confidence and economic knowledge to use money creation for funding, since we would probably have reduced access to bond markets due to (partially or not) defaulting.
That would be uncharted territory (only a handful of very small countries have funded themselves like that before), but unless the EU situation improves significantly, it is one of the only ways our country can get out of the crisis, in the short term.

That would be quite a painful transition, but it would be done with full employment and improving services/infrastructure (thus ending the massive social/economic destruction of unemployment and decimated services), but likely with a reduction in the standard of living, that will last for a time.
In the long run though, this would be less destructive to us as a country, as we would not continue to incur the massive social damage that unemployment and severely impaired services imposes, and we could actually bounce back to economic recovery in a relatively short period (but still likely requiring a reduced standard of living for a period, due to possible political sanctions).


We don't have politicians or economists capable of making this transition though, and we would quickly need to develop them if we are to get out of our current situation (mainly if reducing our role within Europe becomes necessary).


Now, if by some miracle the EU actually comes to its senses and we get proper recovery policies enacted, that is the best of all worlds, but if that takes a decade to happen (and we are already half a decade into this crisis), there is going to be an intolerable amount of human suffering between now and then. Right now, such an EU recovery looks very unlikely.

G Power

dvpower wrote: »

Will you be getting involved in a violent overthrow of the government yourself, or will you be playing your part from behind your keyboard? :pac:

you're a real pain in the h0le with your attitude man!!

G Power

dxhound2005 wrote: »

We need more maths teachers.

and here in lies the problem in this country when all you will take from the op is this

G Power

Super-Rush wrote: »

You lost me at peeps.

ok, so you're well thought out excuse for not doing anything yourself is /\/\/\

G Power

TheBegotten wrote: »

We're still (mostly) functional as a society, we're not being oppressed by powers internal or external, and for the most part, we're well educated and respected as citizens.

are you for real?? what planet are you living on like?? :eek::eek::eek:

WhatNowForUs?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I actually agree with this, and I'm generally a pacifistic person. We've "tolerated" enough. If the legal system refuses to get the job done one more time I honestly will call for mob rule, even for one brief moment - if our courts can't get Seanie, Drumm, Fingers etc behind bars with no hope of ever seeing the light of day again, I advocate public guillotining of them and subsequent mounting of their heads along O'Connell bridge to give passers by something to spit in.

I am sick and tired of seeing the f*cking "banking class" getting away with murder while the little guy gets jailed for having a couple of joints or not paying his TV license. Western society is insane at the moment and I genuinely am starting to believe that a violent revolution is almost inevitable at this stage.

Anyone who says it's about money is missing the point - money is an artificial concept designed simply to facilitate trade in real, practical assets - the physical materials used in manufacturing, the skills to manufacture them, transport, whatever. We still have all these things even if the money system has collapsed - it's like a perfectly decent car which has run out of coolant. You don't just sit there in the car moping about how you can't go anywhere, you CHANGE THE WATER.

The ONLY people who would get hurt are those who have trillions of euro of our current money stashed away. For ordinary people like you and me, life would go on.

It's already begun with things like bitcoin, an uncontrolled, decentralized and interest free currency. And it's no coincidence that the powers that be are so furious that it's impossible to shut it down.

Bottom line is there are more of us than there are of them. They can't force us to play by their rules anymore if we collectively stand up and tell them to f*ck off. Farmers can still produce as much food this year as they did last year. If I had the skill to build a TV last year, I still have it this year. If a newspaper had news stories to run last year, they have it this year.

Why should any of this stop just because a human created concept, artificial currency, is not behaving itself? It's LUNACY.

Interesting concept but who would pay for roads or how would roads be built. How would nurses and teachers be paid. Children and eldery have no means to 'pay' back what has been given to them.

K-9

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I actually agree with this, and I'm generally a pacifistic person. We've "tolerated" enough. If the legal system refuses to get the job done one more time I honestly will call for mob rule, even for one brief moment - if our courts can't get Seanie, Drumm, Fingers etc behind bars with no hope of ever seeing the light of day again, I advocate public guillotining of them and subsequent mounting of their heads along O'Connell bridge to give passers by something to spit in.

I am sick and tired of seeing the f*cking "banking class" getting away with murder while the little guy gets jailed for having a couple of joints or not paying his TV license. Western society is insane at the moment and I genuinely am starting to believe that a violent revolution is almost inevitable at this stage.

Anyone who says it's about money is missing the point - money is an artificial concept designed simply to facilitate trade in real, practical assets - the physical materials used in manufacturing, the skills to manufacture them, transport, whatever. We still have all these things even if the money system has collapsed - it's like a perfectly decent car which has run out of coolant. You don't just sit there in the car moping about how you can't go anywhere, you CHANGE THE WATER.

The ONLY people who would get hurt are those who have trillions of euro of our current money stashed away. For ordinary people like you and me, life would go on.

It's already begun with things like bitcoin, an uncontrolled, decentralized and interest free currency. And it's no coincidence that the powers that be are so furious that it's impossible to shut it down.

Bottom line is there are more of us than there are of them. They can't force us to play by their rules anymore if we collectively stand up and tell them to f*ck off. Farmers can still produce as much food this year as they did last year. If I had the skill to build a TV last year, I still have it this year. If a newspaper had news stories to run last year, they have it this year.

Why should any of this stop just because a human created concept, artificial currency, is not behaving itself? It's LUNACY.

You might be on to something, kyussbishop the same, it isn't as if both of ye don't say it enough, you've both posted posted it in dozens of posts.

The only reasonable answer I can think of is nobody cares.

Nonoperational

Jesus there's some really crazy bastards out there... Go on away and look forward to the soccer tomorrow or the Rugby on Sunday or something. Weirdos.

A violent overthrowing of the elite. Right ya, and everything will be so much better with the random crusties in charge.

I'm dangerously close to a roll eyes smiley, and I really hate those.

TheLastMohican

K-9 wrote: »

You might be on to something, kyussbishop the same, it isn't as if both of ye don't say it enough, you've both posted posted it in dozens of posts.
The only reasonable answer I can think of is nobody cares.

I agree. Nobody cares because they are fed by a nanny state. Proletariat revolution is a thing of the past. Real poverty no longer exists. The hunger for violent change has been tempered by cheap food, booze, chemicals and radical minds have been seduced by 24/7 TV.
But here's a story once told to me by an ex-Socialist Workers Party doyen:

A young man with fire in his blood, railed against all the injustices (real or percieved). He wrote letters to the papers, stood on a soap box in Temple Bar, got involved in the usual left wing causes, wrote more letters to the papers etc. Then a distant relative died and left him a fortune. He hasn't opened his mouth since.

Animal farm all over again.

Winston Payne

You say that like it's a bad thing.

KyussBishop

K-9 wrote: »

You might be on to something, kyussbishop the same, it isn't as if both of ye don't say it enough, you've both posted posted it in dozens of posts.

The only reasonable answer I can think of is nobody cares.

Probably yes, for a lot of people; I think though, that a lot of it is that people are fed so much of the 'There Is No Alternative' line aimed at keeping things as they are, that many genuinely believe we are stuck with no options, but I think if people realized the potential for what could be achieved were we to seek other options, they may care more.

We could pretty much end unemployment permanently (and all the suffering that is causing), provide extensive upgrades to the public health service, any/all necessary mental health facilities/programs, improve infrastructure all over the country (power, local rail, broadband/wireless), maintain guaranteed education up to and through third level, beef up funding for research....anything really; if you can think of anything that's socially or otherwise worth doing, it can be done, so long as there is available labour/resources, and so long as inflation is kept in check.

It's never really a problem of money, not for a government in control over their own currency, it's a problem of resource management, of having enough resources and labour (with the right skills, health and opportunities); inflation gets excessive when you have a shortage of that, so it's then that you cut back spending (which shows the madness of cutting spending when there is so much unemployment).