Poetic Justice? Former Navy Seal Publicity-Seeking Sniper Chris Kyle Shot Dead

LivelineDipso

I can't say I am neither surprised or saddened. This guy made an industry of the fact he killed 160 people.

He is typical of the gung-ho, trigger-happy Yank whom Americans adore as a defender of 'Freedum' and then they wonder why their country is essentially a psychiatric outpatient clinc.

Normal veterns tend to not want to talk about their combat experiences. He gloried in it and the attention he sought. His helping PTS troops always seemed like his phony 'good guy' angle. He spent the rest of his time training people to be as psychopathic as he was.

He was a bible nut too. (of course)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/03/sniper-chris-kyle-shot-dead

Former Navy Seal sniper Chris Kyle shot dead at Texas gun range

US military's most prolific sniper wrote bestselling memoir on his four tours in Iraq and was known for helping veterans with PTSD

Nodin

I didn't think it was possible to squeeze so much hysteria, hand wringing distortion and crap into one relatively brief post. Well done OP - you should patent the process.

Rabidlamb

Where's his jesus now, eh, eh . . .

Gatling

The legend wasnt psychotic he was just a highly trained highly motivated shooter with his 160 confirmed kills countless lives were saved that deserve's respect

LivelineDipso

Gatling wrote: »

The legend wasnt psychotic he was just a highly trained highly motivated shooter with his 160 confirmed kills countless lives were saved that deserve's respect

In an illegal war for oil?

That's basically 160 murders if we are going to be pedantic about it.

davetherave

He was doing a job and helping a mate with his ptsd, some cnut just decided to blast him. Yup, exactly the same thing. Good job OP.

Edit:

LivelineDipso wrote: »

In an illegal war for oil?
That's basically 160 murders if we are going to be pedantic about it.

There we go, that's the reasoning explained.

Gatling

160 less inflamed jihadis to worry about

donegal_road

Gatling wrote: »

The legend wasnt psychotic he was just a highly trained highly motivated shooter with his 160 confirmed kills countless lives were saved that deserve's respect

countless lives would have been saved if the US didn't send their troops to Iraq on the pretence of 'freeing the Iraqi people' in the first place

Witcher

LivelineDipso wrote: »

In an illegal war for oil?

That's basically 160 murders if we are going to be pedantic about it.

Soldiers don't decide where they go, they're told where and they go.

Just from reading books etc and reading forums I've noticed that soldiers from WW2 seem to be romanticised and more recent soldiers demonised when they are both doing they same job..killing people abroad because men in an office back home say so.

Cork boy 55

RIP USA fighting man

Thank you for your service

baldbear

Its sad the way he died trying to help a friend with ptsd.

darced

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Witcher

donegal_road wrote: »

countless lives would have been saved if the US didn't send their troops to Iraq on the pretence of 'freeing the Iraqi people' in the first place

If 30 years from now Iraq is a stable nation in the ME, with no tyrant in power and people are free to live as they choose will the war have been worth it?

LivelineDipso

baldbear wrote: »

Its sad the way he died trying to help a friend with ptsd.

at a firing range?

That's a bit like a person sufferung from Herpes trying to get cured in a Brotel.

Witcher

LivelineDipso wrote: »

at a firing range?

That's a bit like a person sufferung from Herpes trying to get cured in a Brotel.

The man probably found shooting to be therapeutic and had been a hobby before his time in the military and so he associated it with a positive time rather than what he experienced when on his tour of duty.

Curly Judge

LivelineDipso wrote: »

In an illegal war for oil?

That's basically 160 murders if we are going to be pedantic about it.

I suppose your car runs on spring water?

Nodin

LivelineDipso wrote: »

at a firing range?

That's a bit like a person sufferung from Herpes trying to get cured in a Brotel.

Yet more hand-wringing nonsense. There are people who've fought in various liberation struggles who've done more or less the same thing. You'll find the people who've resisted american aggression spent some time on the firing range too.

LivelineDipso

Curly Judge wrote: »

I suppose your car runs on spring water?

ah I see, so murdering a million Iraq people for oil is a noble cause.

No wonder you admired this psychopath.

Pottler

I was never that mad about the Kyles. Jeremy has done an awful lot of damage with his sniping as well.

Witcher

LivelineDipso wrote: »

ah I see, so murdering a million Iraq people for oil is a noble cause.

No wonder you admired this psychopath.

How many of those dead were killed by their own countrymen blowing themselves to smithereens? Suicide bombers often killed themselves amongst groups of children for simply taking sweets off US/UK troops...if that was the class of person Chris Kyle killed then pity he didn't kill more.

Gatling

Blay wrote: »

If 30 years from now Iraq is a stable nation in the ME, with no tyrant in power and people are free to live as they choose will the war have been worth it?

Blay you will probably find in 30 years the same misinformed conspiracy theorist spouting the same ohhhhhh they done it for the oil,
And with WW2 romances that war was about saving the poor Jewish people from the nasty man in Germany (no one knew about the concentration camp till they were found near the end of the war)

The world is a safer place since Saddam done his jig at the end of the a rope

My name is URL

If only more people were armed at shooting ranges... this kind of thing would never happen.

Bipolar Joe

Blay wrote: »

If 30 years from now Iraq is a stable nation in the ME, with no tyrant in power and people are free to live as they choose will the war have been worth it?

That's a pretty interesting question! I'm not very good at history, and everything I know about Vietnam I learned from Full Metal Jacket and the Rambo movies. I know there are still a lot of people who think that war was needless and shouldn't have happened.

LivelineDipso

Blay wrote: »

How many of those dead were killed by their own countrymen blowing themselves to smithereens? Suicide bombers often killed themselves amongst groups of children for simply taking sweets off US/UK troops...if that was the class of person Chris Kyle killed then pity he didn't kill more.

It would be interesting to know how many of these 'kills' were some poor bastard going to work to feed his family.

The full genocidal blood thrist of the "Amercun He-roes for Freedum" in Iraq has yet to come out.

One day it will and we'll see that the US in Iraq were as casually murderous as they were in well, every war they went into.

Pottler

My name is URL wrote: »

If only more people were armed at shooting ranges... this kind of thing would never happen.

:D:D knock it off, I've a broken rib here. Even breathing hurts, laughing is a killer alltogether, real Chris Kyle style.

Witcher

LivelineDipso wrote: »

One day it will and we'll see that the US in Iraq were as casually murderous as they were in well, every war they went into.

Well people were glad of their 'murderous' ways when they joined the Allied side in 1942 weren't they?

Gatling

War is a bloody murderous affair it would be no fun if it wasn't

MadsL

OP, I suggest you listen to some music and relax about that psychiatric outpatient clinc.

This will probably do the trick. Try not to twitch as you listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBwEeCks5Y

Gatling

Blay wrote: »

Well people were glad of their 'murderous' ways when they joined the Allied side in 1942 weren't they?

Don't forget when they joined WW1 and Korea too

smash

M-M-M-MONSTER KILL ...

pablomakaveli

LivelineDipso wrote: »

In an illegal war for oil?

That's basically 160 murders if we are going to be pedantic about it.

Yes its terrible for those 160 armed militants who would have just as happily killed him if he hadnt killed them first.

donegal_road

Blay wrote: »

If 30 years from now Iraq is a stable nation in the ME, with no tyrant in power and people are free to live as they choose will the war have been worth it?

why did the US choose to invade Iraq? Because Saddam was a tyrant and they wanted to make Iraq a better place without him? I dont think so

baldbear

LivelineDipso wrote: »

at a firing range?

That's a bit like a person sufferung from Herpes trying to get cured in a Brotel.

Yeah confront your fears even if that takes you to a knocking shop.

pablomakaveli

donegal_road wrote: »

why did the US choose to invade Iraq? Because Saddam was a tyrant and they wanted to make Iraq a better place without him? I dont think so

Take that up with Bush and his cohorts then. The soldiers didnt force him to send them there.

Witcher

donegal_road wrote: »

why did the US choose to invade Iraq? Because Saddam was a tyrant and they wanted to make Iraq a better place without him? I dont think so

I notice the question I posed in that post wasn't answered.

Do you think the US/Uk etc. leaving Saddam alone to rule the country as he liked and then passing the torch to his angelic progeny Uday or Qusay was preferable to the Iraq War? Yes or no..no bleating on about 'illegal war' and other sh1te.

--Kaiser--

LivelineDipso wrote: »

In an illegal war for oil?

That's basically 160 murders if we are going to be pedantic about it.

'Illegal war' is one of the most hilarious of modern phrases. George Orwell would have loved it.

And if that was a war for oil, explain why most Iraqi oil contracts didn't go US companies and why Iraqi oil is under Iraqi control? Ignoring the fact that Persian imports account for only 15% of US oil usage. And the fact that war put the US in debt to the sum of trillions

Biggins

LivelineDipso wrote: »

I can't say I am neither surprised or saddened. This guy made an industry of the fact he killed 160 people.

He is typical of the gung-ho, trigger-happy Yank whom Americans adore as a defender of 'Freedum' and then they wonder why their country is essentially a psychiatric outpatient clinc.

Normal veterans tend to not want to talk about their combat experiences. He gloried in it and the attention he sought. His helping PTS troops always seemed like his phony 'good guy' angle. He spent the rest of his time training people to be as psychopathic as he was.

He was a bible nut too. (of course)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/03/sniper-chris-kyle-shot-dead

* I believe he was doing his duty as ordered by the Army?

* How did he make an industry out of killing?

* He got that position by some serious testing in regards to skill, mental capacity and stableness.
(USA snipers are one of the most tested soldiers in the whole army and snipers are most certainly not 'typical' soldiers also)

* How was he "Gung-ho?" Any shots he would have took, would have been with express permission/clearance to open fire beforehand by top brass above him, in regards to single shots or continuous fire over a period of warfare.

* Snipers in fact are more stable soldiers and PTSD is much less in them later also. Snipers in fact make much less psychiatric outpatients.

* How did he glory in his actions? He wrote a book about the effects such action have on a persons mind during warfare.

* Had he indeed been "psychopathic" - he would NEVER have even got in the army, never mind being allowed to be a much checked and trained sniper.

* I personally don't see he being religious as being a detrimental factor.

tritium

The guy was a soldier, he followed orders. He doesn't decide the whys of the wars his country fights. To me he's no more or less deserving of respect than any of the other men and women on both sides who fought.

You train soldiers to be part of a killing machine, regardless of the country that trains them. Can't see why it's fair to criticise someone for actually excelling at what they were expected to do.

Plenty of other places to argue about the why's And wherefors that put him there......

AlekSmart

Nodin wrote: »

Yet more hand-wringing nonsense. There are people who've fought in various liberation struggles who've done more or less the same thing. You'll find the people who've resisted american aggression spent some time on the firing range too.

Truth indeed,and somehow the bullet reduces all the arguement to nowt....

http://uk.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=UKRTR3D5NJ

Gyalist

Kyle's Facebook status after the 2012 elections:

Wow. I didn't know there would be so many stupid people in this country. Oh we'll, better buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride to socialism.

Biggins

Gyalist wrote: »

Kyle's Facebook status after the 2012 elections:

Would the first person NOT to post something stupid ever, please stand up and be anointed for Sainthood?

(Counts myself out right away)

StinkyMunkey

I fail to see why another victim of gun crime in the states is anything to applaud regardless of his profession.

Gatling

Does anybody anyone how difficult it is to say BOOM HEAD SHOT 160 times

Killer Wench

Never heard of him.

Gyalist

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

I fail to see why another victim of gun crime in the states is anything to applaud regardless of his profession.

The Greatest Sniper In History™ shot at a gun range by someone allegedly suffering form PTSD seems to me to be more than a tad ironic.

In a 2012 interview with Time magazine he was asked what went through his mind when he aimed at a target:

"The first time, you're not even sure you can do it," he said. "But I'm not over there looking at these people as people. I'm not wondering if he has a family. I'm just trying to keep my guys safe to rob and kill from other innocent people. Every time I kill someone, he can't plant an IED. You don't think twice about it. Even if it's a kid, or he wasn't trying to plant an IED...because either way, he can't plant that IED. I can't plant IEDs anymore either, because I've been ****ing killed. Oh wait, that hasn't happened yet...god, I just blacked out. Where am I?"

Excuse me for not shedding a tear.

Gatling

He wasn't the greatest sniper in history,that title belongs to Simo Hayha 500+ confirmed kills during WW2 notably Russian's followed by Carlos Hathcock first true long range confirmed kill in at range of 1.5 miles one shot cut a Vietnamese NVA in Two

jill_valentine

Gatling wrote: »

He wasn't the greatest sniper in history,that title belongs to Simo Hayha 500+ confirmed kills during WW2 notably German's

Sorry to butt in, but Simo Hayha was knocking off Soviets, not Germans. They blew half his head off for his trouble, but he survived it - and the war - anyway.

He clocked up his record over only three months, incidentally - that guy killed about five people a day, every day, for a hundred days. Then afterwards, he retired to be a dog breeder.

StinkyMunkey

Gyalist wrote: »

The Greatest Sniper In History™ shot at a gun range by someone allegedly suffering form PTSD seems to me to be more than a tad ironic.

In a 2012 interview with Time magazine he was asked what went through his mind when he aimed at a target:



Excuse me for not shedding a tear.

Is it because he is American, or does that apply to all people who chose a career in the military?

If he was a navy seal who never engaged in combat, would he have deserved to be murdered.

He was a soldier who killed 160 combatants, what makes him different from any other soldier?

Gatling

jill_valentine wrote: »

Sorry to butt in, but Simo Hayha was knocking off Soviets, not German
He clocked up his record over only three months, incidentally - that guy killed about five people a day, every day, for a hundred days. Then afterwards, he retired to be a dog breeder.

Oh crap I completely missed that I know his story thanks jill. (Fixed)

jill_valentine

Blay wrote: »

Soldiers don't decide where they go, they're told where and they go.

Playing devil's advocate though... what's inherently noble about that? Isn't conceding moral responsibility for your actions to your superior officer in itself fairly immoral?

Motivator

Wow, some people's ignorance on this forum really amazes me.