How often should you need to zero your scope??

loveta

Hi all maybe this is a stupid question but i have a .22 pcp air rifle with a AGS 4-16X50 scope. I use the pcp daily, i carry it around with me in the jeep shooting feathered vermin so it does get knocked/banged about a bit eg. taking it in and out of the jeep. Every so often say 40--60 shots i start missing to the point of i take out the rest and targets and low and behold it could be 2-3 inches out at 45m "what the gun is zeroed at" leaving me wondering is it the tips it gets thats putting it off or how abuse can a gun and scope take.

hedzball

loveta wrote: »

Hi all maybe this is a stupid question but i have a .22 pcp air rifle with a AGS 4-16X50 scope. I use the pcp daily, i carry it around with me in the jeep shooting feathered vermin so it does get knocked/banged about a bit eg. taking it in and out of the jeep. Every so often say 40--60 shots i start missing to the point of i take out the rest and targets and low and behold it could be 2-3 inches out at 45m "what the gun is zeroed at" leaving me wondering is it the tips it gets thats putting it off or how abuse can a gun and scope take.

AGS scopes "Air Gun Scope"


Utter shiote to be honest..

Go change out the scope with something better and you will relieve the problem..

I zero my .22 every 2-3000 rounds..

My dads 204 has been zero'd once.. round 800 rounds down it now.



'hdz

tac foley

You've answered your own question, Sir.

Treat your gun like a piece of ****e and it will repay you in kind.

tac

loveta

Hedzball what do you suggest then so.I have a S&B on a .17 rim fire and she needs tweeking every so often to, and i dont think there is many makes better than a S&B

loveta

tac foley wrote: »

You've answered your own question, Sir.

Treat your gun like a piece of ****e and it will repay you in kind.

tac

CRAP!! a gun is a tool not a ornament i am not talking about treating it like ****e as your suggesting but it has to be up to the job/purpose in question.Maybe you think i should wrap it in cotton wool

hedzball

loveta wrote: »

CRAP!! a gun is a tool not a ornament i am not talking about treating it like ****e as your suggesting but it has to be up to the job/purpose in question.Maybe you think i should wrap it in cotton wool

To be fair he has a point.

I mean if I dropped my 223 I wouldn't fire another round from it..

I know the heavy grade military stuff ala US optics etc can handle being ****ed about.. but less then that knocks will **** things up.

I use the shotguns like spades but rifles are delicate

garv123

Have you a decent set of mounts on both?

loveta

hedzball wrote: »

To be fair he has a point.

I mean if I dropped my 223 I wouldn't fire another round from it..

I know the heavy grade military stuff ala US optics etc can handle being ****ed about.. but less then that knocks will **** things up.

I use the shotguns like spades but rifles are delicate

Yes i do agree,maybe i am being misunderstood i am not talking of droping the gun or busting it again stuff but being used every day it does get banged every so often no matter how careful you try to be leaving me to ask the question what is/is not acceptable??

hedzball

loveta wrote: »

Yes i do agree,maybe i am being misunderstood i am not talking of droping the gun or busting it again stuff but being used every day it does get banged every so often no matter how careful you try to be leaving me to ask the question what is/is not acceptable??

Nothing but hassle with those AGS scopes to be honest.

loveta

What would you suggest then "within reason" of course :O)

hedzball

loveta wrote: »

What would you suggest then "within reason" of course :O)

http://www.sportsden.ie/guns/gun-accessories/rifle-accessories-1/scopes/hawke-sports-hd-ir-3-9x40-mil-dot.html

zeissman

Check the screws on your mounts and stock to make sure they are tight.
If all is ok you could try another scope to see.
I dont know a lot about air rifles but id imagine those pellets would get blown about a lot in the wind so you should check it in calm conditions.

Cass

loveta wrote: »

CRAP!! a gun is a tool not a ornament i am not talking about treating it like ****e as your suggesting but it has to be up to the job/purpose in question.Maybe you think i should wrap it in cotton wool

Your first post, when i read it, suggested you just f**k it in the jeep when you're done with it and you couldn't give a rats ass what happens it.

........... i carry it around with me in the jeep shooting feathered vermin so it does get knocked/banged about a bit .............

So when someone replies that a gun should not be treated like sh*te it is an easy assumption to make. Also your attitude towards what a gun is.

........ a gun is a tool not a ornament .........

I assume you paid for your rifle? Even if you do not care about it then at the very least it's an asset. All my guns serve a purpose, but i also know that i've spent time and money to have what i have and i would like to keep them in as good a condition as possible for as long as possible. So when it's not in my hands it's in a gun slip or safe. Never thrown into the jeep and left to be knocked around or banged. If for no other reason than to prevent the very thing you are complaining about from happening. Unlike other tools, guns, especially a rifle is a finely tuned piece of hardware that needs some attention to make it work at it's best. It's like never servicing your car, using green instead of regular diesel, never cleaning it or lifting the bonnet to check oil, etc. and then moaning when it breaks down.

loveta wrote: »

...........maybe i am being misunderstood .......

A little more explanation would resolve this before it became an issue. Something along the lines of "I do not purposely drop, bang or leave the rifle in a position to get banged, but sometimes it does happen" would go a long way towards explaining yourself. Not waiting until 3-4 posts into your thread when someone, like me, takes the wrong inference from your original post, and makes assumptions based on that.

This is not an attack on you, but you do not see the attitude that comes across in your opening posts, and the reason why people are misinterpreting your intentions/meaning.


As for the actual problem. Take the AGS, find the nearest ditch, and throw it as hard as you can in any direction. They are crap. Even if the rings turn out to be the problem get rid of the AGS for a better brand. Even for an air rifle scope i would not rate them as suitable for such. Bought two of them years ago (one then one to replace it), when i first started shooting, and put them on a rimfire which has less kick than most air rifles, and the thing wouldn't hold zero. A strong breeze would send it off or in the case of the second one the lens with the crosshair would spin/shift/move when i fired the rifle.

There are a number of cheap scopes available that are far better suited. Bushnell Banner, Hawke Varmint SF, etc. Not that they are the best, but they are far superior to AGS (IMO) in every way. Also look into a half decent, but by no means expensive set of rings. Hawke sportsmatch are good enough for an air rifle, or a set of second hand Warne, Burris, etc on the for sale section here.

Always try and spend as much as you can on a scope. Same with rings. Going for the cheap option (and i've been there) can lead to more problems than they solve. In the end it costs you twice as much when you realise the cheaper ones don't work, and you now need to buy a second time to get the better ones.

TriggerPL

loveta wrote: »

What would you suggest then "within reason" of course :O)

I've a 3 x 9 Simmons scope on a magnum and it never give a days trouble with zero

loveta

Thanks for your detailed reply CASS genuinely appreciated and not being the best at typing so maybe i did not explain myself well enough from the start.Yes i did pay for the gun and a decent amount of euros to but i hunt with it so it is not always being used in a timed controlled environment.I have this gun 13 months now and shot it almost every day since and i dont think there is a mark on it so i dont think with that amount of usage and the condition its in iam treating like ****e. As for the AGS hezball said the same so something il have to be done there would like to be able to use your exact quote here not sure how, but still laughing at your solution
P.S hope all goes well for you in the future

Cass

loveta wrote: »

....... not being the best at typing so maybe i did not explain myself well enough from the start.

No one is asking for perfect English. God knows we all makes mistakes and the biggest issue with any forum is the lack of context of the written word. So if i were to say to you "feck off" it could be meant in jest or as an insult. Tone is not here so it's important to explain your position as best you can leaving no room for doubt.

As for your issue. Like was said above check the rings, and that everything is tight, but your first job (in my opinion) is to look into a better quality scope.

cookimonster

All sound advice here as usual, but may I clarify something...... do you use a gun case or bag? I find that a sturdy well padded case or bag is very important when transporting scoped guns around. Some here may dismiss this but the journey in a car may be harder on the gun than the field use. In my opinion a good gun bag / case is more than a accessory.

Cass

cookimonster wrote: »

I find that a sturdy well padded case or bag is very important when transporting scoped guns around. .

+1.

As above ...............

Cass wrote:

So when it's not in my hands it's in a gun slip or safe.

Unfortunately with scopes such as AGS this "gentle knocking" can have a worsening effect than better built scopes.

clivej

Cass wrote: »

............actual problem. Take the AGS, find the nearest ditch, and throw it as hard as you can in any direction. They are crap. Even if the rings turn out to be the problem get rid of the AGS ....................

"Take the AGS, find the nearest ditch, and throw it as hard as you can in any direction"

I just can't agree with you on this.

Such a waste of a bad scope. Wait until you upgrade to a better scope then shoot the feck out'a the old AGS

Cass

Heh, heh.

hedzball

hedzball wrote: »

AGS scopes "Air Gun Scope"


Utter shiote to be honest..

Go change out the scope with something better and you will relieve the problem..



'hdz

+1 hdz






'hdz

extremetaz

Loveta - we've a Hawke Nite-Eye on one HW100 and a Bushnell Banner on the other. They both hold zero perfectly.

I had some issues with my Nite-Eye early on but I switched to a sportsmatch one piece mount and she's 100% now.

Neither of the above cost the earth and they're both great scopes for the money. Only thing I don't like about the Banner is that it's a Duplex reticle and I find the mil-dots to be a great help when you're dealing with air rifle trajectories.

DogfoxCork

hedzball wrote: »

Nothing but hassle with those AGS scopes to be honest.

remember my piece of ****e?!

hedzball

DogfoxCork wrote: »

remember my piece of ****e?!

I don't think I ever saw her wearing it did i?..


AGS scopes are only in the firearms loop because dealers sell them as a "complete set up" .. A hawke would cost 20 quid more :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Longranger

A hawke sidewinder or endurance and you will be grand. Not too expensive and from my experience holds a zero very well. Actually , if Cass still has the accushot for sale it would do you also.

SplitCartridge

I re-zero it if I change ammo.

However, if I'm heading out for a few shots (whether at game or a few old cans) I take a 2 or 3 rounds, take a shot at something (usually a tree) about 100 meters away, then aim at where the round impacted, take another shot, and make sure that there's not too much space between where the two rounds hit.

That's my quick checking solution to see if my scope needs to be re-zeroed.