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Deaths in france after taking pill/acne medication

  • 30-01-2013 5:34pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭greenbicycle


    Just read this article and i don't know any more than what i have read on it

    http://www.thejournal.ie/acne-drug-france-deaths-775599-Jan2013/

    It seems that the drug they are talking about is sold as dianette in Ireland which i know lots of people are on.

    Aside from this however i thought i should give a little warning based on my own experiences, i have recently recovered from a serious blood clot and am now still on medication to correct this.

    I was not on dianette but i was on the pill. I think i am better off not saying which one as i don't want to scare people away from what was otherwise perfect for me and it is very very popular. This is a side effect of all versions of the combined pill.

    Was on it for 7 years and have been warned never to take it again as i was one of the unlucky people to get this side effect that we all know is possible.

    I miss the pill, i wont lie, i liked knowing when things were happening and having control over it and it was the perfect method if contraception for me. Don't miss it enough to risk my life though. And it is about risking my life for me now.

    This article just scared me a little today though because it seems more common and i would not like others to go through what i have. Especially on that particular pill.

    Just be careful ladies!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    I was on dianette once for a few months and went off it with out consulting my doctor. I am so glad I did. Taking it was one of the worst thing in my life. I felt so low and didn't realise how big an effect it was having on me until I was off it a few weeks. I dread to think what would have happened if didn't stop using it. I honestly thought I was going crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    Just to give another experience, I've been on Dianette for 21 and a half years. It's the only thing that controls the severe hirsutism that came with my PCOS, as well as my awful periods which were almost mini labours. I've never had any side effects apart from mild nausea during the first few months, which vanished when I took it in the evening rather than the morning. Overall it has dramatically changed my life for the better.

    I have frequent check ups with my GP and have discussed my other options at length. We have agreed that staying on Dianette is the most suitable option for me for the medium term. I really dread the day that I have to come off it.

    I don't want to discount greenbicycle's experience in any way, but would advise any one here who is on Dianette and worried about the news story to discuss it with their GP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    I think I remember reading that it should only be taken for 6 months - 1 year!

    However, sunbeam as your GP seems to be monitoring you closely I would think the pros out way the cons in your case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭greenbicycle


    I agree with you sunbeam, its hard to find a pill that works for you and when you find one that works its great, especially when it helps for other things too.

    My post is not meant to be a scare tactic but more of a generating awareness post.

    Also my post is a warning about ALL types of combined pill with the addition of the article as it is what made me decide i had to post my experience. Remember, i was not on dianette. If i was reading this post as an outsider i think i would remain on the pill but just be more conscious of side effects and ensure that took the 6 month check ups with the doc even more seriously.

    I thought it couldn't happen to me but it did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    I think the 6 months to a year is in the case of acne rather than hirsutism. It can actually take several years for hirsutism to be fully controlled using Dianette. This was the case with me, though there was a dramatic difference after about eight months. The hair is now about 95 percent gone.

    I've bone dry skin and never had much acne.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I was on Diannette for a year and a half before coming off it just before Christmas. I thought it may have been having a contributing effect to my low moods, but since coming off it nothing much has changed apart from an increase in sex drive. That's about it. It wasn't really effecting how I feel at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I was on dianette for years followed by yasmin. After coming off the pill I feel they weren't doing me much good and I prefer to use other approaches now. Still have problems with acne mind.. Maybe if I had let my system sort itself hormonally out when I was younger I wouldn't have the problems now but I will never know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    I started reading this petrified, I've a box of dianette beside me that I'm starting to take at the weekend. I think it'll just be being extra careful, and knowing that I've to be cautious.

    Grr, I wish I didn't have to go on it - I've been against it from the start. But still, PCOS needs must.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    There is actually a lot about the pill in general in the news here in France at the moment. Apart from the Dianette scandal, there is also scare about so-called "3rd generation" pills which have been linked to higher levels of blood clots. Apparently the pill I am on is one of these (Ceraette), so I will be going to my gp to discuss it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    There is actually a lot about the pill in general in the news here in France at the moment. Apart from the Dianette scandal, there is also scare about so-called "3rd generation" pills which have been linked to higher levels of blood clots. Apparently the pill I am on is one of these (Ceraette), so I will be going to my gp to discuss it.

    What is a 3rd generation pill?

    Ladies what pills have you found suitable for you and what are unsuitable? I know everyone is different etc but are some pill more likely to cause site effects etc. (Maybe this need a thread of it's own).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    mood wrote: »
    What is a 3rd generation pill?

    Ladies what pills have you found suitable for you and what are unsuitable? I know everyone is different etc but are some pill more likely to cause site effects etc. (Maybe this need a thread of it's own).
    http://www.familyhealthonline.ca/fho/womenshealth/WH_thenewpill_FHb97.asp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I absolutely hated Diane35. I had headaches, bloating and was cranky for quite some time. Any other contraception pill after that one was better. But there is always risk with contraception pills and I wouldn't think that Diane35 are such a big exception.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭Stepping Stone


    mood wrote: »

    What is a 3rd generation pill?

    Ladies what pills have you found suitable for you and what are unsuitable? I know everyone is different etc but are some pill more likely to cause site effects etc. (Maybe this need a thread of it's own).

    I have been on Dianette for about 3yrs now. I have PCOS so I need it. Regularly monitored, but no problems. To be perfectly honest, before I went on it, I was overweight, depressed, hairy, moody and had terrible periods. I was filled with dread when the doctor mentioned it, but it has turned my life around.

    Once I started taking it and settled a bit (according to a friend who is a pharmacist this takes months), the weight fell off, the visible signs of PCOS disappeared, my moods leveled off, depression lifted and my periods went from being a week of hell to being nothing more than three or four days of minor inconvenience.

    I would be slow to change. I have been on a few others over the years, which did not suit me at all, so this was a massive surprise.

    For anyone nervous about it, I would say give it a go but talk to your doctor and your pharmacist. Pharmacists are the experts in medicines, so there isn't much they don't know about the different ones and possible side effects.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    I was PCOS also, but was prescribed microlite, not dianette. I think it's a very low dose, so it doesn't work for everyone, and because the low dose, you can never miss one. Had to set an alarm for it because of that, if I took it even 15 minutes off my normal time I would be bleeding in 12 hours time. It suited me very well though. Regulated cycles, moods gone, extra hair disappeared, and I was even regular for 3 cycles after coming off it (and then got knocked up). I was very happy with microlite. Did the job for me, even with pcos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Roadtrippin


    mood wrote: »
    What is a 3rd generation pill?

    Ladies what pills have you found suitable for you and what are unsuitable? I know everyone is different etc but are some pill more likely to cause site effects etc. (Maybe this need a thread of it's own).

    I have had awful experiences with 5 different pills and finally came to the conclusion that I simply shouldn't be on the pill since my body clearly didn't deal well with it.

    Among the side effects that I have experienced where such joyful ones as bloating, severe mood swings, nausea, bad headaches and ocular migraines.

    The only positive experience I had was with Ovranette but after I had very bad ocular migraines more frequently and read up about it I found WHO warnings that anyone having an increase of migraines (particularly ocular ones which are migraines that cause blind spots in your field of sight) should immediately go off the pill.
    I spoke to my GP about these occurrences and she also confirmed that it may be best to take me off that pill.
    She recommended I'd try a 3rd generation one, Qlaira, but after all the bad press these got recently I am glad I didn't give that one a try...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    I have had awful experiences with 5 different pills and finally came to the conclusion that I simply shouldn't be on the pill since my body clearly didn't deal well with it.

    Among the side effects that I have experienced where such joyful ones as bloating, severe mood swings, nausea, bad headaches and ocular migraines.

    The only positive experience I had was with Ovranette but after I had very bad ocular migraines more frequently and read up about it I found WHO warnings that anyone having an increase of migraines (particularly ocular ones which are migraines that cause blind spots in your field of sight) should immediately go off the pill.
    I spoke to my GP about these occurrences and she also confirmed that it may be best to take me off that pill.
    She recommended I'd try a 3rd generation one, Qlaira, but after all the bad press these got recently I am glad I didn't give that one a try...

    What do you do instead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Roadtrippin


    mood wrote: »
    What do you do instead?

    I use condoms and a smartphone app to track my cycle/fertility. This doesn't suit everyone and may sound too risky for some but it has worked well for me so far. Have been off the pill now for a couple of years and have never regretted going off it since.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    I was on Dianette for 2-3 years, maybe more to clear up my acne.

    Can't say I ever had any bad side effects from it but my doctor did tell me I'd have to move on to something else. On yaz now and that's keeping the acne at bay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    ......but after I had very bad ocular migraines more frequently and read up about it I found WHO warnings that anyone having an increase of migraines (particularly ocular ones which are migraines that cause blind spots in your field of sight) should immediately go off the pill.

    This happened me. I was getting ocular migraines once a year or so, then I got 4 in a year. I was on Mercilon. I also got headaches the whole week break.

    I told my GP and she wasnt too bothered tbh, then I went back and there was a temp GP who said I had to come off it immediately and she put me on non combined pill Cerazette. No problems since. I was given the impression that once there was no estrogen there was no problem. I wasnt aware of these risks of 3rd generation pills. Ive no other choices, Im allergic to latex and I cant afford the mirena coil right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭DonnaDarko09


    I was on dianette for only a month to deal with my hirsutism and lack of periods... In just the one month, I experienced none of the moodiness or constant hunger I had while on Yasmin...I would be very slim but I could have sworn my breasts increased (they were tender for a week so prob swelling)..there was no big difference in skin but I would only have a few spots..and most importantly my facial hair was definitely improving..unfortunately 2 weeks into my second pack and I started getting very sharp pains in the back if my knee..perhaps it was me over thinking it about the greater risks if DVT while on this pill but I stopped taking them when the pain didn't subside in a week and went to see my GP..she was very blasé and basically told me to do what I wanted..I had never wanted to take any pill in the first case as I feel they sometimes just mask the real problem when taken for something other than birth control..however I had found this pill great up until I had these pains ehich may or may not have been connected..the pain did stop a few days after taking however.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Roadtrippin


    I told my GP and she wasnt too bothered tbh, then I went back and there was a temp GP who said I had to come off it immediately and she put me on non combined pill Cerazette. No problems since.
    I stopped taking them when the pain didn't subside in a week and went to see my GP..she was very blasé and basically told me to do what I wanted...

    Some GPs aren't too bothered taking side effects on the pill too seriously... I am lucky that my one took my concerns seriously since anybody that has a history of migraines with aura or ocular migraines needs to be careful with the pill.

    I know many women have very positive experiences with the pill, thank god, but I advise anyone that has an increase in migraines on the pill to either switch to a different pill or go off it altogether and look into different contraception methods! This book really helped me to find out more about the issue:

    http://books.google.ie/books?id=WM--GakdKS8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Pill+and+Other+Hormonal+Contraceptives+WHO&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QyYNUbbyLYnLhAfO_YHYCw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ

    And here is a handy website about Migraines and the Contraceptive Pill


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 170 ✭✭Oh hai


    I took Dianette for 6 years until I changed to a new doctor and she almost roared at me that I shouldn't have been on it that long so she changed me to Yasmin. I'm off the pill completely now and we are using other contraceptive because I always hated being on it, it never did me any harm or caused any mood swings that I know of but I just didn't like the thought of being on it more than anything, I'm very aware of what I put in to my body so I'm glad I'm not on it anymore plus I lost weight coming off it too so maybe it did bloat me more than I realised but from my point of view I never had any problems with Dianette. Like every drug different people will have different reactions. But I do think where possible if you are on Dianette for longer than a year you should talk to your GP and see if another pill might work just as well for you. Yasmin seems to be the main one that people switch to after being on it. Some girls are on it for years without their GP batting an eyelid like my previous doctor. If that's the case seek out a new GP, you go back every 6 months for a prescription etc, they should know more about it than just writing up a repeat prescription and sending you on your way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Some GPs aren't too bothered taking side effects on the pill too seriously... I am lucky that my one took my concerns seriously since anybody that has a history of migraines with aura or ocular migraines needs to be careful with the pill.

    To be fair I had never even thought of mentioning the ocular migraines to anyone - I didnt even know what they were, I though it was just a part of the normal human condition and it happened to everyone. I dont tend to discuss every minute sensation I have and I got no headache with them, so I didnt even know they were migraines. I just thought it was a visual disturbance similar to hiccups or something that got triggered by things like sunlight glinting off cars from time to time.

    It was only by accident when a friend mentioned that she had to pull in from driving because a visual disturbance with a migraine that I realised it was migraine related at all.

    When I say the GP wasnt bothered, she said one or two ocular migraines a year wasnt a cause for immediate action but we needed to keep an eye on it. By the time I had the next visit Id had 3 in 6 months - so it did accelerate and that was when the temp immediately changed me.

    I think there should be more public awareness on the ocular migraine thing, I had had them very occasionally for YEARS and never even knew they were migraines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    When on any medication you need to be aware of any thing that could be a side effect and ask a doctor or at least chemist about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Roadtrippin


    mood wrote: »
    When on any medication you need to be aware of any thing that could be a side effect and ask a doctor or at least chemist about it.

    Of coure, that much is clear.
    To be fair I had never even thought of mentioning the ocular migraines to anyone - I didnt even know what they were, I though it was just a part of the normal human condition and it happened to everyone. [...]
    I think there should be more public awareness on the ocular migraine thing, I had had them very occasionally for YEARS and never even knew they were migraines.

    I think you're right that most people are just not aware that they suffer from ocular migraines and think it's a headache and nothing to be worried about.
    I had my first ocular migraine in my teens and it took me years before realising that they were a form of migraine.
    They aren't necessarily that scary once you know what they are but I remember a couple of times I would have to pull over while driving because it does impair your vision and can be dangerous if you're on they road.
    Other than that I think GPs should always ask patients whether they suffered from migraines in the past before prescribing the pill (particularly the combined pill) because of the increased risk of ischaemic stroke. Not one single GP or gynecologist has ever asked me whether I had a history of migraines before giving me the pill in the past which I find alarming.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    mood wrote: »
    When on any medication you need to be aware of any thing that could be a side effect and ask a doctor or at least chemist about it.

    Im pretty sure Id had ocular migraines since childhood, they werent a new thing.

    The point I was making is, I had no idea what they were at all, and never even associated them as something to worry about, or that could be a side effect of anything. If something doesnt hurt, goes away on its own after around 20 minutes, and happens very rarely - I dont tend to pay much attention to it.

    Im sure that similar to most people, I dont analyse every sensation that I experience. I just pay no attention unless something starts bothering me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    I think you're right that most people are just not aware that they suffer from ocular migraines and think it's a headache and nothing to be worried about.

    I didnt even have a headache - just a visual disturbance that went away on its own.

    I think a previous GP did ask me if I suffered from migraine, but because I didnt have any headaches and because the visual disturbance was so rare - I said no. I didnt know it was a form of migraine. If a GP had asked if I got a flashing checkerboard in front of one eye that slowly spread out I would have recognised it, but a migraine, no, no headache!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    Visual disturbance would freak me out. I would go to the optician immediately. I wouldn't have known it could be pill related either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Roadtrippin


    mood wrote: »
    Visual disturbance would freak me out. I would go to the optician immediately. I wouldn't have known it could be pill related either.

    It did really freak me out when I first had an ocular migraine because I didnt know why all of a sudden I had blind spots and flickering lights in my field of sight...
    I didnt think of going to the optician at the time but tbh they wouldnt have been able to tell me anything either since it is a neurological symptom rather than anything you can diagnose with an eye test etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    It did really freak me out when I first had an ocular migraine because I didnt know why all of a sudden I had blind spots and flickering lights in my field of sight...
    I didnt think of going to the optician at the time but tbh they wouldnt have been able to tell me anything either since it is a neurological symptom rather than anything you can diagnose with an eye test etc.

    But they would have ruled out an eye problem and advise you to see a doctor or possibly a specialist. I am always very aware of any eye problems because of things I have seen happen to other people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    mood wrote: »
    Visual disturbance would freak me out. I would go to the optician immediately. I wouldn't have known it could be pill related either.

    Yeah, you would think. But they had happened (very very occasionally) since childhood - in fact, I cant remember when they even started or how often I got them, but I knew that they only lasted 20 minutes or so and didnt hurt. So there was a familiarity to them, it was like "oh my eye is doing that flashing thing again, Ill wait it out". Because they were so infrequent until I was an adult, I never noticed any pattern. Then they came maybe once a year or so and I noticed it was always from sunlight glinting off something so I just thought it was some kind of eye twitch from bright light. I had it in the same mental category as when you get a muscle twitching, or the hiccups or something, mildly annoying at the time, but no big deal.

    Possibly if it happened for the first time as an adult I would have paid attention. Or if Id ever heard any mention about them or read anything about them. I have never ever heard of someone having an ocular migraine, with no headache, just a visual disturbance, in my real life at all. No one has ever mentioned it. Even when Ive told people they havent heard of it.

    I actually self diagnosed after talking to a friend and I found a video on youtube that shows it exactly as it happens to me - that was when I realised I had an issue that I should speak to a doctor about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    To be fair I had never even thought of mentioning the ocular migraines to anyone - I didnt even know what they were, I though it was just a part of the normal human condition and it happened to everyone. I dont tend to discuss every minute sensation I have and I got no headache with them, so I didnt even know they were migraines. I just thought it was a visual disturbance similar to hiccups or something that got triggered by things like sunlight glinting off cars from time to time.

    It was only by accident when a friend mentioned that she had to pull in from driving because a visual disturbance with a migraine that I realised it was migraine related at all.

    When I say the GP wasnt bothered, she said one or two ocular migraines a year wasnt a cause for immediate action but we needed to keep an eye on it. By the time I had the next visit Id had 3 in 6 months - so it did accelerate and that was when the temp immediately changed me.

    I think there should be more public awareness on the ocular migraine thing, I had had them very occasionally for YEARS and never even knew they were migraines.

    That was one thing my GP was very clear about when I started Dianette:if I suddenly developed migraines or unusual headaches, I was to stop taking it immediately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    sunbeam wrote: »
    That was one thing my GP was very clear about when I started Dianette:if I suddenly developed migraines or unusual headaches, I was to stop taking it immediately.

    But would you have known that a visual disturbance, no headache, no pain, that went away on its own after about 20 minutes, was a form of migraine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    No, as I've never had migraine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    I've been on Yasmin for about 10 years with no side-effects. Lucky I was happy with the first pill I tried so I've no plans to change!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Gauge


    Malari wrote: »
    I've been on Yasmin for about 10 years with no side-effects. Lucky I was happy with the first pill I tried so I've no plans to change!

    I'm the same. It controls my acne and a few other hormonal issues without any side effects so I'm happy with it.

    I was worried at one point about the length of time I'd been on it so I had a chat with my doctor and she said that if I'm not a smoker or experiencing any problems it is safe to stay on which was good to know. A lot of my friends talk about how you should take "breaks" from the pill so I wanted to find out if there was truth in that, and there wasn't.

    I did go on Dianette as a teenager for about a year to control my acne but ended up switching of my own accord as I found it affected my moods and made me bloated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Me too Gauge, I discussed other options because I heard you shouldn't be on that pill that long, but it's the best fit for me, contraception and convenience-wise.

    I have no idea why Yasmin was initially prescribed, over any other pill, and I've changed GP since then. It's something I think about!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭greenbicycle


    Just coming back to this thread myself.

    Glad that lots of people have gotten to read my original post as my intention was all about awareness.

    I too had no problems whatsoever with my pill and thought it was great. My GP thought it was fine too it was only when things started to get really bad that he started to have second thoughts. In fairness to him, i probably down played everything cause i didn't really want to come off the pill.

    I think it is great that there are some of you out there who listened to your bodies and came off the pill when things like migraines and ocular migraines appeared. I had migraines too but had these before i went on the pill so i was not too worried. (Which i now regret!)

    These are the people that we need to take a lead from i think.

    If all is well thats grand, i would never expect a mass rejection of the pill and this time last year i would have been saying "yeah whatever" to this thread. The pill was far too convenient for me to consider anything else. Bt if you have any doubts or if you think maybe you could try an alternative just do it and come off the pill. And like those wise people who listened to their bodies, if there is anything strange going on, maybe the pill just is not for you and you need to think hard about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Haven't caught up with the whole thread, just to give my experience : I'm French, so I guess it's relevant.
    My sister and I were both on Diane 35 for a good few years. In France, that's what the gyneacologists routinely seemed to prescribe at the time in the 90s, when we were teenagers, as a first pill. It was actually prescribed to us as a contraceptive, with added benefits if you want.

    I took it for a few years, then later when i came over to Ireland switched to something else. Never had any problems, but I do remember that our gyne always used to ask persistently and insistantly if we were smoking, and how many cigarettes a day, and warning us about the blood clots risks associated with smoking while on the pill.

    My sister who is still in France was on Diane for ages. She had a skin prone to acne and just stayed on that I suppose out of habit. Then the same gyne really rang alarm bells at one stage, seeing as the sister was a smoker, and getting older, and strongly advised her to get off any pill and go for an IUD (after kids etc...).

    It was a pretty real worry, and one that we were aware of, because well warned. My sister is ok thankfully, she took it for years, and smoked, but it is a worry.

    A lot of women smoke in France, and I suppose the combination of Diane and cigarette increases the risk and might explain the great number of women ill with blood clots ?

    I stopped taking the pill too, in my case it was the mood swings/low moods I couldn't bear any more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Roadtrippin


    The pill was far too convenient for me to consider anything else.

    I think this is a feeling most women share once they start taking the pill. It is by far one of the most convenient contraception methods and sometimes a lot of women (including myself a couple of years ago) are reluctant to explore other methods simply because they seem less convenient or too risky or something.

    However, I reckon raising awareness what serious side effects we need to look out for and talk to our GP about is incredibly important. There are other contraceptive methods and some of them are no less convenient or safe than the pill.
    I know a girl that uses an implant after numerous attempts to take different pills and she swears by it. She has had no problems whatsoever with it in contrast to the pill and it has the advantage that she doesn't have to remember taking the pill every day.
    When I tell people I use condoms and a fertility app some think it is too risky but for me personally it works and as long as you watch out for the 'dangerous' days it's fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Roadtrippin


    I do remember that our gyne always used to ask persistently and insistantly if we were smoking, and how many cigarettes a day, and warning us about the blood clots risks associated with smoking while on the pill.

    My sister who is still in France was on Diane for ages. She had a skin prone to acne and just stayed on that I suppose out of habit. Then the same gyne really rang alarm bells at one stage, seeing as the sister was a smoker, and getting older, and strongly advised her to get off any pill and go for an IUD (after kids etc...).

    It was a pretty real worry, and one that we were aware of, because well warned. My sister is ok thankfully, she took it for years, and smoked, but it is a worry.

    A lot of women smoke in France, and I suppose the combination of Diane and cigarette increases the risk and might explain the great number of women ill with blood clots ?

    I stopped taking the pill too, in my case it was the mood swings/low moods I couldn't bear any more.

    I think the smoking bit can be a really serious issue because doctors do ask patients whether they smoke before prescribing the pill. But I reckon often patients lie about whether they smoke or not and how many a day and putting their health at risk then because they don't quite realise just how serious the combination of smoking plus pill can be.

    The mood swing/ low mood side effect I had as well on the pill and it wasn't just a bad day here or there. Not nice. As I said before, there were too many signs that I clearly just wasnt meant to be on the pill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    Haven't caught up with the whole thread, just to give my experience : I'm French, so I guess it's relevant.
    My sister and I were both on Diane 35 for a good few years. In France, that's what the gyneacologists routinely seemed to prescribe at the time in the 90s, when we were teenagers, as a first pill. It was actually prescribed to us as a contraceptive, with added benefits if you want.

    That's interesting. Around the same time in Ireland I was warned by an endocrinologist not to solely rely on Dianette for contraception as a pregnancy could result in birth defects-presumably the feminisation of a male foetus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    wow Sunbeam that's shocking, never heard anything about that, it sounds a bit crazy tbh.

    Yes Roadtrippin, I lied to the gynae for years on how much I was smoking (like an idiot), sister did too.

    Same as you here, I just wasn't comfortable with taking the pill in the end, I did get hormonal migraines (still do despite not being on it anymore !), and was a smoker (quit, thankfully), just didn't feel right altogether.

    We have 2 kids and I'm lucky Mr Mountains has no issue with having the snip, but since he hasn't really been able to dedicate the time to appointments etc... for the last 2 years, we're using condoms too. That will get done, off to remind him now :D
    I had 2 c-sections, disgusted now I didn't ask to have procedure done on myself with second c-section which was planned. I knew I probably didn't want any more, but wasn't fully sure...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    Gauge wrote: »
    I'm the same. It controls my acne and a few other hormonal issues without any side effects so I'm happy with it.

    I was worried at one point about the length of time I'd been on it so I had a chat with my doctor and she said that if I'm not a smoker or experiencing any problems it is safe to stay on which was good to know. A lot of my friends talk about how you should take "breaks" from the pill so I wanted to find out if there was truth in that, and there wasn't.

    I did go on Dianette as a teenager for about a year to control my acne but ended up switching of my own accord as I found it affected my moods and made me bloated.

    Most women I know who got pregnant unexpectedly were 'taking a break' from their pill. Unless advised by a doctor I wouldn't do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    It did rather freak me out at the time, but it seems that the concern was based on animal studies using cyproterone acetate. As the Summary of Product Charateristics states:
    Although low dose exposure to cyproterone acetate during pregnancy has not been associated with teratogenic effects or malformations, clinical data on fetal outcomes following exposure to cyproterone acetate is limited.

    Animal studies have revealed that feminization of male fetuses may occur if cyproterone acetate is administered during the phase of embryogenesis at which differentiation of the external genitalia occurs. Although the results of these tests are not necessarily relevant to man, the possibility must be considered that administration of Dianette to women after the 45th day of pregnancy could cause feminization of male fetuses. It follows from this that pregnancy is an absolute contra-indication for treatment with Dianette, and must be excluded before such treatment is begun (see section 5.3 Preclinical safety data).

    Ther dose of cyproterone acetate in Dianette is low and I'm not sure if there have been any documented cases of this happening in humans. Any other studies I've come across (and I'm not a doctor) state the risk as unknown. I don't think it is something to be unduly alarmed by, apart from heeding the warning that Dianette must discontinued immediately if pregnancy occurs.

    Oh and my GP is constantly asking me if I smoke, as if i'm suddenly going to start at age 40-especially if it meant me having to come off the pill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Boofle


    I have been taking Dianette for five and a half years now. I was prescribed it for moderate acne -which it cleared up very quickly. It has a lot of positive points; ie always knowing when 'time of the month' will arrive, no period pain, clear skin. However it has definitely made me gain weight and I do feel rather bloated a lot of the time.

    I attempted to go off it after about a year after taking it and after about 2 months my face just erupted in the most awful cystic acne :( I had really, really painful spots/cysts all over my face and neck - twenty times worse than the acne I originally went to my GP with and for which he prescribed Dianette! So I went back on it and my skin duly cleared up.

    So I am just wondering has anyone else experienced any problems after coming off Dianette - as I am now petrified that I will break out in horrific acne if I ever attempt to stop taking it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Boofle wrote: »
    I have been taking Dianette for five and a half years now. I was prescribed it for moderate acne -which it cleared up very quickly. It has a lot of positive points; ie always knowing when 'time of the month' will arrive, no period pain, clear skin. However it has definitely made me gain weight and I do feel rather bloated a lot of the time.

    I attempted to go off it after about a year after taking it and after about 2 months my face just erupted in the most awful cystic acne :( I had really, really painful spots/cysts all over my face and neck - twenty times worse than the acne I originally went to my GP with and for which he prescribed Dianette! So I went back on it and my skin duly cleared up.

    So I am just wondering has anyone else experienced any problems after coming off Dianette - as I am now petrified that I will break out in horrific acne if I ever attempt to stop taking it!

    I came off it briefly a few months ago and had a really bad breakout after coming off it. I went back on it, and it cleared up. I don't know if it's due to the different hormones and the body trying to adjust causing the breakouts or what.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭beks101


    Took this for about six months when I was eighteen and turned into a hormonal, weepy mess. I remember I had just started college and I would just sit in my room and cry, not knowing why.

    I took it for moderate acne and after about a month on it my face exploded into the worst acne I've ever had in my life, it was horrible.

    I hate being on the pill and wonder how so many women, probably most actually, do it for years...sometimes decades. I hate messing with my hormones like that


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    Boofle wrote: »
    I have been taking Dianette for five and a half years now. I was prescribed it for moderate acne -which it cleared up very quickly. It has a lot of positive points; ie always knowing when 'time of the month' will arrive, no period pain, clear skin. However it has definitely made me gain weight and I do feel rather bloated a lot of the time.

    I attempted to go off it after about a year after taking it and after about 2 months my face just erupted in the most awful cystic acne :( I had really, really painful spots/cysts all over my face and neck - twenty times worse than the acne I originally went to my GP with and for which he prescribed Dianette! So I went back on it and my skin duly cleared up.

    So I am just wondering has anyone else experienced any problems after coming off Dianette - as I am now petrified that I will break out in horrific acne if I ever attempt to stop taking it!

    I wasn't taking Dianette but when I came off Mercilon about 18 months ago I had the exact same problem. I thought it would just take time for my hormones to settle down and that the acne would go away, but it kept on flaring up every few weeks/months. So I got fed up and have just started on Marviol. It already seems to be making a difference but I'm also worried that my skin will go crazy again when I come off it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    beks101 wrote: »
    I hate being on the pill and wonder how so many women, probably most actually, do it for years...sometimes decades. I hate messing with my hormones like that

    It's because most women don't have your experience with it.

    I had never had a 'normal' cycle in my life until I started taking the pill properly in my thirties. Bizaarly, it's the only way I can get pregnant. Take the pill for three months, and then come off it. It bumps my ovaries into action.

    I had taken the pill for two months in my early twenties and had problems with it, constant bleeding, etc. i just thought, right, it's not for me, and never went back to the doctor. When I was a decade older, and better able to communicate with a GP about what my problems were, I was prescribed a pill that suited me much better.


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