Sadist Gets 25 years

StinkyMunkey

Im sorry but this is why the death penalty needs to be brought back in.

I felt physically ill after reading this report.

Im not saying execute every criminal, but for crimes such as this that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, they in my view forgo they right to live.

LINK IS TO SKY NEWS - STORY MAY CAUSE DISTRESS

http://news.sky.com/story/1042769/millie-martin-murder-man-jailed-for-25-years

B.A._Baracus

Thats bloody sick... hang that man.

irishgirl19

op i think you should have warned readers about the content of that article.if i had of known i wouldn't have read it.but yes i agree with you

NIMAN

A sad sad case. Shows just how evil some people are.

Personally I would not be one for the death penalty, but I would lose no sleep over this animal dying now. How a grown man can beat and 15 month old baby, break her ribs and sexually assault her is beyond my realms of understanding.

It breaks my heart to read these type of stories, and I know for sure that if it was my child he had killed, I would be able to kill him with my own bare hands.

Maybe he will get his punishment in prison, although I am sure he will be housed with all the other sicko's who would probably be 'into' this sort of thing.

May she RIP.

WindSock

irishgirl19 wrote: »

op i think you should have warned readers about the content of that article.if i had of known i wouldn't have read it.but yes i agree with you

The thread title says Sadist. What were you expecting?

L.Jenkins

There's only one thing that would sort out a lad like that, and that's a bullet to the back of the head. Complete and utter scumbag if ever I saw one.

KungPao

irishgirl19 wrote: »

op i think you should have warned readers about the content of that article.if i had of known i wouldn't have read it.but yes i agree with you

"Sadist", "I felt physically ill after reading this report."

There was a fair bit of warning to be fair.

Anyway, yeah that's messed up.

TeddyTedson

can we get a quote for us touch users.

Cantona's Collars

A few days in gen pop might make him feel how that poor child felt.

Personally I'd kill the sick cunt & would feel zero remorse.I don't care what the "if you kill him,you're just as bad" brigade think-this man doesn't deserve to live or have the protection of the prison service.

NIMAN

Personally I think he should never get out, should be in now til he dies. End of.

Cantona's Collars

TeddyTedson wrote: »

can we get a quote for us touch users.

A few posts up has the gist of the story.

Tombi!

TeddyTedson wrote: »

can we get a quote for us touch users.

Sure thing. I spoiled it because it's NSFW and it upset a few peopled:

Shows a photo of the man holding the baby on (what I guess) is a hospital camera and the caption is:
McCarney was filmed on CCTV rushing Millie to hospital

A man has been ordered to serve at least 25 years for murdering the 15-month-old daughter of his former partner.

Barry McCarney, 33, of County Tyrone, was found guilty last month of Millie Martin's murder in Enniskillen in 2009.

Setting the minimum tariff McCarney must serve before being considered for release, Mr Justice Ben Stephens told the labourer at Belfast Crown Court he was a "deeply manipulative man" who had carried out a "sadistic sexual assault" on the child.

Millie was 15-months-old when she died in Belfast's Royal Victoria Hospital after being badly beaten at a house in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, the day before.

Then it shows a photo of the baby and the caption reads:
Millie was subjected to a 'sadistic sexual assault' by McCarney

Her mother Rachel Martin, 25, had gone briefly to a local shop in December 2009, but when she returned home her daughter and partner were not in the house.

She later said: "I was literally minutes away and when I got back ... I got a phone call telling me to get to the Erne hospital quick - Millie wasn't well - I was in hysterics."

McCarney was filmed on hospital CCTV carrying Millie into the emergency ward before she was transferred to the Royal Victoria hospital, where she was put on a life-support machine until members of her family arrived to say goodbye.

At the time, Millie's grandmother Margaret said the child "could never be replaced - it's just a nightmare, a nightmare every day".

During McCarney's trial the jury heard Millie had received a fatal blow to the back of her head as well as a number of other injuries, including serious internal injuries which could also have proved fatal.

It was claimed that Injuries to her abdomen had been caused by regular punching in the weeks before her death.

McCarney had also found guilty of grievous bodily harm with intent and sexual assault of Millie. He must serve at least six years and two years for those crimes respectively, and those terms will run concurrently with his murder tariff.

McCarney showed little emotion as he was sentenced.

Ms Martin looked on from the public gallery. She was previously acquitted of charges of allowing her daughter's death and cruelty through wilful neglect.

She criticised the sentence, saying outside the court: "I don't think it was long enough, 25 years isn't long enough."

KungPao

NIMAN wrote: »

Personally I think he should never get out, should be in now til he dies. End of.

Anybody have a rough figure for how much it costs to keep somebody banged up for 25 yrs + ? Must be a pretty penny.

Perhaps if somebody is 100% guilty of something terrible like this, no doubts at all, they should get the chair. Would be a lot cheaper, as well as just desserts.

TeddyTedson

I could never support the death penalty. What if you get it wrong, even once.
Also a life of confinement followed by natural death is a far worse punishment.
A lot of people commit horrific crimes and kill themselves before facing up to the consequences. Death is not a deterrent for some people.

Boombastic

Horrific crime, from the article:


McCarney had also found guilty of grievous bodily harm with intent and sexual assault of Millie. He must serve at least six years and two years for those crimes respectively, and those terms will run concurrently with his murder tariff.



I hate concurrent sentencing

My name is URL

NIMAN wrote: »

Personally I think he should never get out, should be in now til he dies. End of.

I can't imagine him ever seeing freedom again. There's not a chance in hell he'll last 25 years in jail. He'll more than likely top himself when he realises what he faces in prison.

GalwayGuy2

I'm usually a lefty when it comes to our prision system, but yes he should be killed (put down more like).

It breaks my heart to read these type of stories, and I know for sure that if it was my child he had killed, I would be able to kill him with my own bare hands.

I hope I'd have it in me to give him a quick and painless death and not torture him or make it slow. If I enjoyed torturing someone (even a monster such as him) there'd still be a monster, but it'd be me.

shedweller

We need to bring in the death for this kind of thing. They serve no useful purpose to humanity and their gene pool needs to be deleted. At the very least, that ****er needs to be sterilised. With a rusty blade perhaps...
I'm sorry but i have kids of my own and if the likes of him did that to them i would enjoy seeing his life ebb away from his eyes.

Crimson King

Read about this case and seen those photos a few months back and I am still as shocked now as I was then. The false panic on his face somehow makes it worse for me, the fact he knows he may be caught red handed and this is the only 'sorrow' he feels just makes me so angry.

People like him are sick, and no amount of 'debt paid to society' will be enough. Being able to share the same breath as we all do is actually a luxury he should be deprived of IMO.

cantdecide

How could you live with yourself having those kinds of thoughts running through your head. I'd be looking for a cliff to jump off if I were that guy or anyone like him.

Tombi!

I agree with Crimson King, I reckon who only brought in the child out of panic/fear of being caught.
While I don't like the idea of just killing someone for a crime and I'd rather find out how to make sure other people don't do it, this is one of those times where I don't mind if he fell a lot on the way to the cells along with letting all the others in there what he's done

im invisible

NIMAN wrote: »

May she RIP.

:rolleyes:

TeddyTedson

shedweller wrote: »

We need to bring in the death for this kind of thing. They serve no useful purpose to humanity and their gene pool needs to be deleted. At the very least, that ****er needs to be sterilised. With a rusty blade perhaps...
I'm sorry but i have kids of my own and if the likes of him did that to them i would enjoy seeing his life ebb away from his eyes.

I really don't believe genetics come into it.
A horrendous crime obviously, but id be ashamed of my country to see the death penalty return. Absolutely nobody should have the right to legally take someone's life. Particularly the state.

KungPao

KungPao wrote: »

Anybody have a rough figure for how much it costs to keep somebody banged up for 25 yrs + ? Must be a pretty penny.

Perhaps if somebody is 100% guilty of something terrible like this, no doubts at all, they should get the chair. Would be a lot cheaper, as well as just desserts.

Yeah great plan, kill people to save money. Sure we can solve any world hunger problems that way.

Anyway it's been shown in the states with the costs of appeals and all, it's more expensive to have the death penalty.

StinkyMunkey

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I really don't believe genetics come into it.
A horrendous crime obviously, but id be ashamed of my country to see the death penalty return. Absolutely nobody should have the right to legally take someone's life. Particularly the state.

To me the death penalty is not a deterrent, its the punishment you will recieve for this type of crime. People will always murder, but for this type of crime he does not deserve to live another day. In my eyes he ceased being human when convicted of this crime.

KungPao

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I really don't believe genetics come into it.
A horrendous crime obviously, but id be ashamed of my country to see the death penalty return. Absolutely nobody should have the right to legally take someone's life. Particularly the state.

Whilst I do agree in principle, why should the state (that is the people of a country) not be able to take his life BUT are obliged to pay bed and board (and protection) for people like this?

unimpressed

hanging is to good for this guy, help him to get back to a mental state where he realises the gravity of what he has done then let him surrer with guilt for a bit then hang him.

dark crystal

I wept after seeing this report earlier today - that poor little girl.

One thing struck me, though. The report stated she had sustained 21 cracked ribs over four weeks, pelvic bruising and had been seriously sexually assaulted. How on earth did the mother miss all of that?

StinkyMunkey

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah great plan, kill people to save money. Sure we can solve any world hunger problems that way.

Anyway it's been shown in the states with the costs of appeals and all, it's more expensive to have the death penalty.

To me its not about the cost, id pay more in taxes to know someone like this was executed.

http://www.iprt.ie/

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Mr Benevolent

He'll have a very rough time for the next 20 years in prison. Very nasty indeed.

Tombi!

dark crystal wrote: »

I wept after seeing this report earlier today - that poor little girl.

One thing struck me, though. The report stated she had sustained 21 cracked ribs over four weeks, pelvic bruising and had been seriously sexually assaulted. How on earth did the mother miss all of that?

Maybe she was scared to come forward. I know she was acquitted of allowing her daughter's death and cruelty through wilful neglect.

actuallylike

Christ, these comments, you'd swear I was reading the comments section of the Daily Mail.

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

they in my view forgo they right to live.

Says you, from your big book of absolute ethics? Must have a read of that.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

hang that man.

Why not lethal injection? Is it because hanging is barbaric and he'd suffer.

NIMAN wrote: »

but I would lose no sleep over this animal dying now.

Sorry, but he's not an animal. However much you want to distance him from your species, he's still human no matter how much it grinds you up.

NIMAN wrote: »

able to kill him with my own bare hands.

Nice, strangling someone to death. The long lost method of justice.

Itzy wrote: »

There's only one thing that would sort out a lad like that, and that's a bullet to the back of the head.

thanks doctor, where can I pick up this description?

zerks wrote: »

this man doesn't deserve to live

You must also have a book of absoute ethics. you should collaborate with stinkyMunkey

KungPao wrote: »

Would be a lot cheaper

Yeah, lets bring money into this. That's a fair way to determine if someone lives or not, cost.

Honestly, I imagine that most of these comments are knee jerk and also the reaction of anonymous posting but come on. No matter what the crime, nobody has the right to take someone's life. this man did and he's been punished for it as the law dictates. The calls for torture and execution just shows people for the blood lusting savages they are.

My name is URL

dark crystal wrote: »

I wept after seeing this report earlier today - that poor little girl.

One thing struck me, though. The report stated she had sustained 21 cracked ribs over four weeks, pelvic bruising and had been seriously sexually assaulted. How on earth did the mother miss all of that?

Pretty difficult to spot a cracked rib. I broke 4 playing football a few years ago and it was 3 weeks before I found out they were broken.. had thought the pain was just down to bruising.

A 15 month old toddler isn't going to be able to point out the fact that they may have broken ribs.

I don't think it was claimed that she had been sexually assaulted before the day she was brought to hospital, though I'm open to correction on that.

irishgirl19

WindSock wrote: »

The thread title says Sadist. What were you expecting?

I didn't expect it to involve a baby

dark crystal

My name is URL wrote: »

Pretty difficult to spot a cracked rib. I broke 4 playing football a few years ago and it was 3 weeks before I found out they were broken.. had thought the pain was just down to bruising.

A 15 month old toddler isn't going to be able to point out the fact that they may have broken ribs.

But as you said, there was bruising - in fact, with 21 cracked ribs, you'd have a fair amount of bruising (not to mention the bruising to her pelvis as well). How would anyone not notice a significant amount of unexplained bruising on a small child's body?

My name is URL

dark crystal wrote: »

But as you said, there was bruising - in fact, with 21 cracked ribs, you'd have a fair amount of bruising (not to mention the bruising to her pelvis as well). How would anyone not notice a significant amount of unexplained bruising on a small child's body?

Fair point, the court obviously felt that the mother wasn't negligent though so there's no point in speculating over what she may have missed or how she managed to miss it. We don't know all of the details.

StinkyMunkey

actuallylike wrote: »

You must also have a book of absoute ethics. you should collaborate with stinkyMunkey

Id want him to be executed within the confines of the law, not lynched.

If it was my child, id want him executed no question.

If it was your child, how would you feel.

What purpose does sending him to prison for 25 serve.

I love the way people are all for the human rights of monsters like this, but forget about the trauma and life shattering consequnces these crimes cause. What about the family and mother being sentenced to a life of misery.

Why not bring in a system, where the family has final say on if a prisoner is executed for being convicted of a crime like this. That way you coould sleep soundly at night if it happened to your or someone you know.

Cantona's Collars

Wondering how long it'd take someone to drop in & claim we are worse for wanting him executed.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82881498&postcount=32

Anyone who has kids would feel the same way towards this scum.Nobody would miss him,people have been shot for less over the years up North.

dark crystal

My name is URL wrote: »

Fair point, the court obviously felt that the mother wasn't negligent though so there's no point in speculating over what she may have missed or how she managed to miss it. We don't know all of the details.

Yes I'm aware she was acquitted, it's just something that struck me as very odd.
I'm not insinuating that she inflicted the injuries at all, just that I would most certainly notice if such injuries were inflicted upon my child.

I can't seem to find any news report into her case at all, so am just going by what's been reported in relation to the Barry McCarney trial.

Holsten

25 years is no joke of a sentence... like come on, 25 years is a VERY LONG time.

I don't agree with the death penalty at all, even for this guy.

I think he's gotten what he deserved.

Cungi

zerks wrote: »

Anyone who has kids would feel the same way towards this scum.Nobody would miss him,people have been shot for less over the years up North.

Dont need to have to kids to feel that way. What this "man" did is probably one of the most horrific crimes anyone could commit. And the sentence given is way too leniant.

Why the fuck are our laws so leniant when it comes to murder and sexual abuse? These horrific crimes get pathetic penalties.

actuallylike

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

If it was my child, id want him executed no question.

so it's revenge you're after?

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

If it was your child, how would you feel.

I'd want him killed too. But I'd be emotionally involved and should not be allowed to dictate what happens someone based on those emotions.

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

What purpose does sending him to prison for 25 serve.

Keeps him off the streets?

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

I love the way people are all for the human rights of monsters like this, but forget about the trauma and life shattering consequnces these crimes cause. What about the family and mother being sentenced to a life of misery.

Nobody's forgetting them. we're just not letting our or their emotionally charged feelings dictate whether someone lives or dies.

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Why not bring in a system, where the family has final say on if a prisoner is executed for being convicted of a crime like this. That way you coould sleep soundly at night if it happened to your or someone you know.

Sorry, I wouldn't sleep soundly at night knowing that if someone that raped and murdered my child would then be killed themselves, there's no comfort there. If you think there is, then you should have a look at what you feel as comforting.
Having the family (ie emotionally involved people) dictate what happens people would be a disaster. If that was the case then the person who cut me off on the M50 yesterday would be hanging from the Spire right now. good thing our laws are designed for justice and not blood lust.

zerks wrote: »

Wondering how long it'd take someone to drop in & claim we are worse for wanting him executed.

Yeah, us lefties and our hippie ways

Froyo

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I could never support the death penalty. What if you get it wrong, even once.

This argument just doesn't wash.

You can get it completely and utterly right too, as in this case and it's for cases such as these that should end in a death sentence for the perpetrator.

Obviously, if it's not as black and white then life in prison is the only other option.

steddyeddy

dark crystal wrote: »

I wept after seeing this report earlier today - that poor little girl.

One thing struck me, though. The report stated she had sustained 21 cracked ribs over four weeks, pelvic bruising and had been seriously sexually assaulted. How on earth did the mother miss all of that?

She didn't. Often the partner of a child abuser will stay with their partner even through abuse like that.
These people are a different scum entirely

StinkyMunkey

actuallylike wrote: »

so it's revenge you're after?


I'd want him killed too. But I'd be emotionally involved and should not be allowed to dictate what happens someone based on those emotions.


Keeps him off the streets?


Nobody's forgetting them. we're just not letting our or their emotionally charged feelings dictate whether someone lives or dies.


Sorry, I wouldn't sleep soundly at night knowing that if someone that raped and murdered my child would then be killed themselves, there's no comfort there. If you think there is, then you should have a look at what you feel as comforting.
Having the family (ie emotionally involved people) dictate what happens people would be a disaster. If that was the case then the person who cut me off on the M50 yesterday would be hanging from the Spire right now. good thing our laws are designed for justice and not blood lust.

Yeah, us lefties and our hippie ways

Yes most definitely id want revenge. If that makes me a bad person for wanting the person who killed my child dead - im a bad person.

The people who are affected by this are the people who will suffer, do i think they have to right to decide this guys outcome - yes.

Yes you take away his liberty, which is a punishment, but not enough of one in my eyes. He could be released in 25 years and go on to lead a normal happy life for years to come.

The people affected by this are the ones with the most vested interest in it. Emotions are what make people human (most people anyway), and we will always act on them.

I didnt really think for a second you would be unaffected by it. Ive no doubt it would probably destroy you. And i didnt say kill all criminals (totally out of context), i say "for crimes like this". There are different degrees of murder, this falls into one of them that you should be executed for.

daveyeh

actuallylike wrote: »

Sorry, but he's not an animal. However much you want to distance him from your species, he's still human no matter how much it grinds you up.

:rolleyes:

Humans are animals.

My name is URL

Froyo wrote: »

This argument just doesn't wash.

You can get it completely and utterly right too, as in this case and it's for cases such as these that should end in a death sentence for the perpetrator.

Obviously, if it's not as black and white then life in prison is the only other option.

It doesn't matter how many times the right person is executed, if there's even the slightest chance that a person could be wrongly executed then it's not worth reintroducing.

There have been many examples of wrongful execution in the US despite there being no 'plausible doubt' about the guilt of people at the time they were killed. It's no good being excused when you're dead already.

Zillah

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I'm usually a lefty when it comes to our prision system

You support high taxes and robust social services when it comes to the prison system?


(I don't think most people know what the left/right of the political spectrum actually represents any more)

hyperborean

That man should never see the light of day again, no facilities should be made available, 2000calories of slop and a loo in an 8 x 4.

The guards should be banned from speaking to him, no access to books, TV or even clothes.

Maybe then he will do the decent thing

DEFTLEFTHAND

Froyo wrote: »

This argument just doesn't wash.

You can get it completely and utterly right too, as in this case and it's for cases such as these that should end in a death sentence for the perpetrator.

Obviously, if it's not as black and white then life in prison is the only other option.

The reason why it went in the first place was because innocent people were executed. The problem is that it's never clear cut, new evidence could arise years later. For instance the Timothy Evans case in Britain where a follow up inquiry proved him to be innocent innocent of the murder of his baby daughter, the problem was he'd been sent to the gallows for the crime 16 years earlier.

StinkyMunkey

My name is URL wrote: »

It doesn't matter how many times the right person is executed, if there's even the slightest chance that a person could be wrongly executed then it's not worth reintroducing.

There have been many examples of wrongful execution in the US despite there being no 'plausible doubt' about the guilt of people at the time they were killed. It's no good being excused when you're dead already.

Very good point, and the only draw back i can see to the death penalty.

This is why the death penalty should only be used when its been proved (the smoking gun situation).

We live in an imperfect world and people do get convicted of crimes they dont commit, this is why it has to be proven without a doubt they did the crime. If it cannot be proven then they cant be convicted.