Another Shooting in the U.S..

willmunny1990

http://news.sky.com/story/1040544/teenage-gunman-shoots-five-people-dead-in-us

More to follow...

Biggins

*sigh*

...And on the day the president signs up again.

mark renton

Heres an idea, maybe guns should be banned.

COYVB

Wouldn't have happened if the victims all had bazookas. More bazookas for American citizens.

Andy-Pandy

mark renton wrote: »

Heres an idea, maybe guns should be banned.

But it's their god given right, 2nd amendment and all that.

willmunny1990

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

But it's their god given right, 2nd amendment and all that.

brummytom

willmunny1990 wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/story/1040544/teenage-gunman-shoots-five-people-dead-in-us

More to follow...

And now the weather.

MadsL

Shit! That's my hometown.

Until now there have never been any mass shootings in my State. This looks like a family killing, pity that there seem to be a rifle involved.

bnt

Albuquerque, New Mexico? Someone's been watching too much Breaking Bad.

Bad Santa

Alex Jones was approached for comment on the news and replied:

"**** you commie brit lover. I hope you choke on your Prozac shake. Die in hell!"

MadsL

bnt wrote: »

Albuquerque, New Mexico? Someone's been watching too much Breaking Bad.

Y'know you might want to try and separate TV from reality.

Spunge

isnt there like hundreds of shootings in the US every day ?

Biggins

Spunge wrote: »

isnt there like hundreds of shootings in the US every day ?

https://twitter.com/GunDeaths

MadsL

Biggins wrote: »

*sigh*

...And on the day the president signs up again.

Isn't that tomorrow?

Lawrence1895

mark renton wrote: »

Heres an idea, maybe guns should be banned.

Say that to the NRA...

ancapailldorcha

Quick, someone blame videogames!!!

Biggins

MadsL wrote: »

Isn't that tomorrow?

Its over two days.

The vice-president has already been sworn in.

mikom

Biggins wrote: »

*sigh*

...And on the day the president signs up again.

MadsL wrote: »

Isn't that tomorrow?

Someone jumped the gun.........

UCDVet

mark renton wrote: »

Heres an idea, maybe guns should be banned.

Murder is already banned. Criminals don't follow the law.

Ban guns and you'll have a black market where people can still get them. Tor + bitcoins are a popular way for anyone to get their hands on illegal items and even short of that, there are plenty of examples of people killing lots of other people without guns....like starting a fire or building a bomb out of commonly available materials.

In fact, the worst school killing in the United States didn't involve guns at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Biggins

...then there is this reported today also:

At the popular Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, North Carolina, three people were wounded when an owner was taking a 12-gauge shotgun out of its case and the firearm accidentally discharged at the entrance.
Two bystanders were hit by shotgun pellets and taken to a hospital, while a retired deputy sheriff suffered a slight hand injury.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3662734.ece

It was a genuine accident though.

Biggins

mikom wrote: »

Someone jumped the gun.........

Not quite:

BARACK OBAMA took the presidential oath today, officially beginning his second term of office.

The president was sworn in by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts during a brief ceremony with his family in the White House Blue Room, meeting the legal requirement that presidents officially take office on January 20.

Due to the date falling on a Sunday this year, the traditional ceremonies surrounding the start of a president’s term will take place on Monday.

Obama made no special remarks at the ceremony, though he responded to a remark from one of his daughters, saying, “I did it”.

On Monday, he will repeat the oath and give his inaugural speech on the steps of the US Capitol before hundreds of thousands of people.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Americas/article1198688.ece

Witcher

Biggins wrote: »

...then there is this reported today also:



http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3662734.ece

It was a genuine accident though.

What a fcuking idiot...ND into a crowd of people:rolleyes:

No way he could talk his way out of that..it was a series of fcuk ups..carrying a shotgun with a cartridge in the chamber, with no safety on, while clearly messing aboutwith the trigger and a complete lack of muzzle discipline.

MadsL

Do you think we need a new thread - one here is still going..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056832040

mark renton

UCDVet wrote: »

Murder is already banned. Criminals don't follow the law.

Ban guns and you'll have a black market where people can still get them. Tor + bitcoins are a popular way for anyone to get their hands on illegal items and even short of that, there are plenty of examples of people killing lots of other people without guns....like starting a fire or building a bomb out of commonly available materials.

In fact, the worst school killing in the United States didn't involve guns at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

I didnt say ban murder, I suggested to ban guns. We have a ban on guns here. In this country there is also a black market for guns. Criminals usually kill each other with these guns, we do not have mass murders of innocent people. By my calculation it seems the open availability of guns contributes to mass murders of these innocent people.

Witcher

mark renton wrote: »

I didnt say ban murder, I suggested to ban guns. We have a ban on guns here. In this country there is also a black market for guns.

Pardon?

Pherekydes

MadsL wrote: »

Until now there have never been any mass shootings in my State. This looks like a family killing, pity that there seem to be a rifle involved.

Sorry to seem crass about such a serious issue, but would it be better if they were killed using a pistol?

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

I didnt say ban murder, I suggested to ban guns. We have a ban on guns here. In this country there is also a black market for guns. Criminals usually kill each other with these guns, we do not have mass murders of innocent people. By my calculation it seems the open availability of guns contributes to mass murders of these innocent people.

just to throw a spanner in the works but guns dont kill....... people do..... i never remember a gun jumping up and murdering a few people....


oh and firearms aren't illegal in ireland:rolleyes:

mark renton

You know what I mean.

mark renton

tommyboy26 wrote: »

just to throw a spanner in the works but guns dont kill....... people do..... i never remember a gun jumping up and murdering a few people....


oh and firearms aren't illegal in ireland:rolleyes:

Were talkin about mass murder, strange how this rarely happens without the use of guns?

Guy:Incognito

mark renton wrote: »

Heres an idea, maybe guns should be banned.

Surely banning murder would be better? Then you stop people being stabbed and beaten to death too.

drunkmonkey

Spunge wrote: »

isnt there like hundreds of shootings in the US every day ?

There's been more people violently killed in the states since 2010 than there is people in Leitrim. That's only the people they killed inside their border. Approx 40,000 every 3 years.

mark renton

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely banning murder would be better? Then you stop people being stabbed and beaten to death too.

Why is there no mass murders in Ireland?

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

Were talkin about mass murder, strange how this rarely happens without the use of guns?

usually these people that commit these crimes are a bit soft in the head and if thet didnt have a gun they would probably use a bomb. which these days can be made from items in most peoples homes. plus the media always makes a celebrity out of the suspect and never focuses on the victims which causes the next loony to try murder more than the last guy.

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

Why is there no mass murders in Ireland?

there was in the north in the time of the troubles.

PC CDROM

mark renton wrote: »

Why is there no mass murders in Ireland?

eh... there have been?

Bombs and sh1t

Witcher

mark renton wrote: »

Why is there no mass murders in Ireland?

There's no mass murder in Europe on the scale of the US because people can get mental healthcare without re-mortgaging their house for it. Medication to patch over the issue is the answer for a lot of mental problems in the US.

Pherekydes

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely banning murder would be better?

Someone taking the piss?

In what country in the world is murder allowed?

Witcher

Pherekydes wrote: »

Someone taking the piss?

In what country in the world is murder allowed?

You seem to have missed his point, he's showing that banning things doesn't stop people doing it.

mark renton

I know plenty of people in Ireland who would have the potential to do similar if there was the same free availability of guns here. I think you may be overestimating the mental healthcare in this country.

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

I know plenty of people in Ireland who would have the potential to do similar if there was the same free availability of guns here. I think you may be overestimating the mental healthcare in this country.

i think you may be underestimating the number of legally owned firearms in this country

mark renton

Blay wrote: »

You seem to have missed his point, he's showing that banning things doesn't stop people doing it.

No it wouldnt stop it, however it would certainly impact the frequency.

Witcher

mark renton wrote: »

I know plenty of people in Ireland who would have the potential to do similar if there was the same free availability of guns here. I think you may be overestimating the mental healthcare in this country.

You can get help here no matter what your means..in the US if you don't have money for healthcare of any kind..too bad.

This illustrates the situation well;

http://jpegy.com/images/uploads/2013/01/America-Logic-on-health-care.jpg

mark renton

tommyboy26 wrote: »

i think you may be underestimating the number of legally owned firearms in this country

There is no comparison between the availability of guns here and in US, no matter how much spin people on here use.

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

No it wouldnt stop it, however it would certainly impact the frequency.

the blood and the cripts have been murdering each other in the thousands in LA for years but no one is crying out for gun law changes when there murdered.... and they dont use legally owned firearms... the fact that they cant get them legally doesnt seem to be stopping them????

Witcher

mark renton wrote: »

There is no comparison between the availability of guns here and in US, no matter how much spin people on here use.

People are going on about evil semi auto rifles etc. when those exact rifles are being licenced in Ireland. People don't know what's going on in their own country but they have all the answers for the US situation.

People say 'well here you can only have a shotgun...not that dangerous'..if an active shooter went into a school here even with only a double barrel shotgun they could kill a lot of people with it before they were stopped because the guards aren't armed here and to get a detective/RSU/ERU out could be 20/30 mins.

But it's never happened because people with mental problems don't get firearms here, in the US Diane Feinstein etc. would rather take them off everybody than to address the problems in US society.

Shooters in the US don't seem to be against more background checks etc. but the 'ban this, ban that, make mags hold 10 rounds' crap doesn't solve anything..they're planning to clamp down on 'assult weapons' and mags holding more than 10 rounds but they're grandfathering existing rifles and magazines..so there's 0 stopping someone buying existing rifles or 30 round mags privately after the ban. They're allowing that because they know themselves these items aren't the problem when you get right down to it..all they are doing with that is appeasing the anti gun crowd because it's cheaper than making sure 300m people have proper healthcare.

mark renton

tommyboy26 wrote: »

the blood and the cripts have been murdering each other in the thousands in LA for years but no one is crying out for gun law changes when there murdered.... and they dont use legally owned firearms... the fact that they cant get them legally doesnt seem to be stopping them????

crips tommy, get it right - and we are not talking about gang criminality here, these people will kill each other regardless of choice of weapon.

In the cases where people randomly mass murder people for no apparent reason, other than losing the head, these cases always seem to involve the free availability of guns. If the guns were not available at the time of losing the head would so many people be murdered?

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

crips tommy, get it right - and we are not talking about gang criminality here, these people will kill each other regardless of choice of weapon.

In the cases where people randomly mass murder people for no apparent reason, other than losing the head, these cases always seem to involve the free availability of guns. If the guns were not available at the time of losing the head would so many people be murdered?

yes because they would probaby use something else

mark renton

tommyboy26 wrote: »

yes because they would probaby use something else

Other than paramilitary, serial killers or terrorism, can you give an example

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

Other than paramilitary, serial killers or terrorism, can you give an example

how can you include serial killers in that list?

they are average people with a few screws lose just like people that murder in schools

mark renton

tommyboy26 wrote: »

how can you include serial killers in that list?

they are average people with a few screws lose just like people that murder in schools

Because they tend to kill people over long periods of time, we are talking about once off killing sprees here due to the open availability of guns.

tommyboy26

mark renton wrote: »

Other than paramilitary, serial killers or terrorism, can you give an example

in japan guns aren't freely open and in 2001 a man went into a school and stabbed 8 kids dead and seriously injured 13 more kids and 2 teachers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre