Using someone elses TCD card to get into library?

Cavehill Red

I'm not really interested in any of your rationalisations. You are not a student of the college and have no right whatsoever to use facilities provided for their use, no matter what harm you do or don't think you'd be doing.
You haven't asked TCD if you can use their facilities, so your sandwich analogy is just so much more self-justification. If you require overnight studying facilities, you should do what TCD students did and lobby your own college authorities for them.

Anita Blow

It's very likely you'd get caught. You have to be on campus before it officially closes, so you can't turn up at 2am because they won't let you in. Also, any time I have been on campus after closing I have always been asked for my ID by the guards at the campus exits, so if you're not caught in the library, you'll be caught leaving and you're friend will get in a lot of trouble.

I think with the risk involved, it'd be unfair to your friend as they would be the one who has to answer to the Junior Dean and pay the fine.

jos360

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I'm not really interested in any of your rationalisations. You are not a student of the college and have no right whatsoever to use facilities provided for their use, no matter what harm you do or don't think you'd be doing.
You haven't asked TCD if you can use their facilities, so your sandwich analogy is just so much more self-justification. If you require overnight studying facilities, you should do what TCD students did and lobby your own college authorities for them.

Well, I guess it's a question of how we balance theoretical wrongdoing against the practical repercussions. We're not going to agree on it, so let's not fall into this trap of getting angry at somebody over the internet. Happens too often these days.

Anita Blow wrote: »

It's very likely you'd get caught. You have to be on campus before it officially closes, so you can't turn up at 2am because they won't let you in. Also, any time I have been on campus after closing I have always been asked for my ID by the guards at the campus exits, so if you're not caught in the library, you'll be caught leaving and you're friend will get in a lot of trouble.

I think with the risk involved, it'd be unfair to your friend as they would be the one who has to answer to the Junior Dean and pay the fine.

I've been in and out of the TCD campus a few times in the middle of the night. I don't mean it in an offensive sense, but their campus security seems not to watch all the entrances and with ten minutes of walking around the building, you generally find one. I know what happens when someone is caught, my friend (who I would be getting the card off) has had his and his room mates confiscated a few times.

Cavehill Red

I'm not angry at you. I'm just suggesting you rethink what you're contemplating doing, because it's wrong. There have been many thefts from libraries and study areas in TCD, and it has become such a concern that it is not beyond possibility that if you were caught in such an area by security they may wish to have you prosecuted on the basis that you may have been casing the place to steal.

jos360

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I'm not angry at you. I'm just suggesting you rethink what you're contemplating doing, because it's wrong. There have been many thefts from libraries and study areas in TCD, and it has become such a concern that it is not beyond possibility that if you were caught in such an area by security they may wish to have you prosecuted on the basis that you may have been casing the place to steal.

At this stage I've found an alternative Who would have thought that this would be the hardest part of an all-nighter. Thanks for your concern.

Cavehill Red

Delighted to hear you got sorted. Good luck with your studies.

lucernarian

Anita Blow wrote: »

It's very likely you'd get caught. You have to be on campus before it officially closes, so you can't turn up at 2am because they won't let you in. Also, any time I have been on campus after closing I have always been asked for my ID by the guards at the campus exits, so if you're not caught in the library, you'll be caught leaving and you're friend will get in a lot of trouble.

I think with the risk involved, it'd be unfair to your friend as they would be the one who has to answer to the Junior Dean and pay the fine.

In the numerous times I'd leave TCD after 12 midnight, not once was I ever asked for my ID card. And what right would they have, if you were seeking to leave the grounds without any trouble or suspicious activity? I can't believe the security would actually try to stop you leaving if you had no ID card. Imagine what the gardaí would say when they arrive, upon seeing someone was held against their will for no other reason than not having a student ID card... The issue of tresspass doesn't come into it if they entered TCD before midnight via one of the open gates.

Cavehill Red

It would be trespass to enter a building though. Also, I'm not sure you're right that it wouldn't be trespass just to be on the grounds.

lucernarian

Cavehill Red wrote: »

It would be trespass to enter a building though. Also, I'm not sure you're right that it wouldn't be trespass just to be on the grounds.

Where there's no signage whatsoever or direction to the effect that the campus grounds close at midnight? On top of the fact that one can enter the campus unchallenged right up to midnight? Anyway here's some law pertaining to recreational users of property. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1995/en/act/pub/0010/print.html But this is veering off topic. Trying to enter the likes of the 24 hour study room with its swipe card access would be an entirely different matter.

Victor

jos360 wrote: »

my presence in a library isn't going to cost the college anything.

Actually it does. Having to deal with trespassers puts an additional burden on college security and it means having more staff than otherwise would be necessary.

Jonathan

The OP has found a legal alternative to borrowing a TCD student card, so I'm going to lock this thread.