David McKittrick; These protests are NOT over the flag.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

Can trannies give birth or have periods?

When they start rioting over being accepted as women I will post there.

You are truly a fascist.

junder

Happyman42 wrote: »

That is it on it's flickr site, I didn't alter it. You are really clutching now.
It's plainly evident that the flag has not flown every day. Invented traditions to rise the rabble while political leaders engage in self serving assasination. Pathetic, that ordinary people are being used like that and that ordinary people are so hidebound that they choose to ignore what is really going on. That is the point I am making Gallag.

One more, 1964

So tell me where the missing flag poles are then? All 5 of them

gallag

Happyman42 wrote: »

That is it on it's flickr site, I didn't alter it. You are really clutching now.
It's plainly evident that the flag has not flown every day. Invented traditions to rise the rabble while political leaders engage in self serving assasination. Pathetic, that ordinary people are being used like that and that ordinary people are so hidebound that they choose to ignore what is really going on. That is the point I am making Gallag.

One more, 1964

So are you saying it was not policy to fly it 365? Again, I am sure there are many days it did not fly and for many reasons but I think we can all agree there was no policy saying it should not fly, I just dont really see what you are getting at?

SoulandForm

junder wrote: »

Trannies? What do you call gay people, ******s? Proberly a good job you don't go and post on the LGBT forum, I don't think you would last long.
I am sure many transgendered women do indeed wish they could have periods and give birth but due to an accident of birth, they where born in what they feel is the wrong body, but does the fact they can't have periods or give birth make them anyless female? why not go ask them

Uh most gay men are definitely sure they are men and dont "identify" as women.

Anyone who wishes too have periods is totally crazy.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

Anyone who wishes too have periods is totally crazy.

Here we go, try a dose of the man flu if you want to understand suffering :-)

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Uh most gay men are definitely sure they are men and dont "identify" as women.

Anyone who wishes too have periods is totally crazy.

I was refering to your derogatry use of words like 'trannie'

SoulandForm

junder wrote: »

I was refering to your derogatry use of words like 'trannie'

Dont you have to be a Protestant to join the Apprentice Boys?

Are you actually a Protestant? Do any Protestant Churches in Ireland believe that you can choose your gender as you wish?

Maybe the Non-subscribing Presbyterians do but they are not awfully fond of Loyalism.

Or are you a Protestant in so much as you dislike Tea eggs?

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Dont you have to be a Protestant to join the Apprentice Boys?

Are you actually a Protestant? Do any Protestant Churches in Ireland believe that you can choose your gender as you wish?

Maybe the Non-subscribing Presbyterians do but they are not awfully fond of Loyalism.

Or are you a Protestant in so much as you dislike Tea eggs?

What are you whittring on about? For the record I am not racist, homophobic, sexist or sectarian, I'm sorry ( well actually I'm not) that I don't fit into your bigoted stereotype of what a loyslist should be but then i suffer from this condition known as being human, one of the most obvious symptoms of bring human is being an individual, another symptom of the human condition is having my own beliefs, Unfortuntly this condition is terminal and its unlikely (although not impossible) that I will live past 100 years old

blahfckingblah

junder wrote: »

What are you whittring on about?

rich coming from the person dragging homosexuality into a thread about the union flag

Happyman42

gallag wrote: »

So are you saying it was not policy to fly it 365? Again, I am sure there are many days it did not fly and for many reasons but I think we can all agree there was no policy saying it should not fly, I just dont really see what you are getting at?

:D:D:D^^^^ I think we have found the solution.
You guys tell everybody it is 'policy to fly it 365 days' but we will only actually fly it on the designated days. Everybody happy?, now about these 'traditional' march routes..............................

Happyman42

junder wrote: »

So tell me where the missing flag poles are then? All 5 of them

Before you go all CSI Belfast Junder, you have the links to the original photos, take them into any photo software and zoom in 2 o 3 clicks, if you find any pixel distortion, get back to us.
Alternatively, if you are suggesting that somebody had the foresight of the flags crisis and doctored random photos on flickr and then posted them 7 or 8 years ago to await me and you finding them....then we will have to have a meeting of the house Sanity Committee!

junder

Happyman42 wrote: »

Before you go all CSI Belfast Junder, you have the links to the original photos, take them into any photo software and zoom in 2 o 3 clicks, if you find any pixel distortion, get back to us.
Alternatively, if you are suggesting that somebody had the foresight of the flags crisis and doctored random photos on flickr and then posted them 7 or 8 years ago to await me and you finding them....then we will have to have a meeting of the house Sanity Committee!

And you have.links to 3 sepperate articules, including one for the media group that owns the andytown news all of the confirming that the union flag has flown over city hall since it was built, your only evidence is photos that cold have been posted by literally anybody so I guess it comes down to your vrs the media, so explain to be how all three links are wrong other then just because you say so, perhaps then you can tell us when it did start flying 365 days a year, since its been flying evertday since i was born and im no spring chicken, I'm sure flicker will tell you

junder

blahfckingblah wrote: »

rich coming from the person dragging homosexuality into a thread about the union flag

Thik you will find it was your buddy soulandform brought the issue of gender idenity into this thread

Happyman42

junder wrote: »

And you have.links to 3 sepperate articules, including one for the media group that owns the andytown news all of the confirming that the union flag has flown over city hall since it was built, your only evidence is photos that cold have been posted by literally anybody so I guess it comes down to your vrs the media, so explain to be how all three links are wrong other then just because you say so, perhaps then you can tell us when it did start flying 365 days a year, since its been flying evertday since i was born and im no spring chicken, I'm sure flicker will tell you

There are many many more pics out there on google of City Hall without the flag, from 1910 on. The claims your sources are making are untested. Newspapers make claims all the time, just because it is in print doesn't mean it's true. Ask Lord Levenson.

My point is, (and you can do the deliberately obtuse act as much as you like, you ain't fooling anybody) is that flying the flag was never all that important (you still haven't had a stab at explaining how the two tricolours got to be hanging outside) until the DUP and UUP decided that they wanted Naomi Long's seat back. They then escalated this into the crisis it became by rabble rousing a community that is as disenfranchised and disaffected as their nationalist ccunterparts.
It's a cynical, dangerous excercise that has blown up in their faces.
When that happens in the Unionist fraternity you generally see the protests fade away (Garvaghy Road, Ulster Says NO etc) and nobody calls them on it. Then they do it all over again over some other spurious 'tradition'. Pathetic really.

*I think the flag might have become a trenchantly permanent feature sometime around the Ulster Says No campaign. I'd love one of the so called 'independent' newspapers to do a trawl of their photo archives.

junder

Doesn't like the protests are dying out

R P McMurphy

junder wrote: »

Doesn't like the protests are dying out

Could you sum up what the protests want to achieve at this point. I think you said you didnt attend any but probably know people that do. What is the point, is it to reverse the decision of BCC and fly the union flag every day or even if that decision was taken would they continue about something else. Not trying to be antoganistic, just trying to understand where it is going

junder

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Could you sum up what the protests want to achieve at this point. I think you said you didnt attend any but probably know people that do. What is the point, is it to reverse the decision of BCC and fly the union flag every day or even if that decision was taken would they continue about something else. Not trying to be antoganistic, just trying to understand where it is going

To be honest, I don't know, in the past it was east to define the objectives as it was normally a single person or party directing things. These protests are coming from the grass roots, from individual community's. it appears to be a radicalisation of the loyalist working class, beyound the control of main stream unionist party's

Madam

junder wrote: »

To be honest, I don't know, in the past it was east to define the objectives as it was normally a single person or party directing things. These protests are coming from the grass roots, from individual community's. it appears to be a radicalisation of the loyalist working class, beyound the control of main stream unionist party's

In other words 'mob rule'?

Happyman42

Madam wrote: »

In other words 'mob rule'?

Absolutely, they have a love affair with bringing Ulster to a standstill. Only difference now is they don't have a pile of sympathy in Westminister.

junder

Madam wrote: »

In other words 'mob rule'?

Call it what you want, not going to Change things or stop things.

junder

Happyman42 wrote: »

Absolutely, they have a love affair with bringing Ulster to a standstill. Only difference now is they don't have a pile of sympathy in Westminister.

Have you found out when the flag started being flown 365 days a year from city hall or have you contacted the andytown news and the Belfast telegraph the error of their reporting, been there everyday since I was born and I'm no spring chicken, my mother all so said its been flying since she was born and she is a child of the 50's

Happyman42

junder wrote: »

Have you found out when the flag started being flown 365 days a year from city hall or have you contacted the andytown news and the Belfast telegraph the error of their reporting, been there everyday since I was born and I'm no spring chicken, my mother all so said its been flying since she was born and she is a child of the 50's

Explain it's abscene in the pics then,(your ma's recollections are hardly evidence) also, still awaiting your explanation of the Tricolour being there. It would never be because once upon a time the flag being there wasn't that important? (which is my point)

p.s. Even the partisan Telegraph doesn't consider the protest newsworthy anymore. Will be a non issue in a month after all the damage to the Unionist cause and image.
Foot mostly certainly shot!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/

junder

Happyman42 wrote: »

Explain it's abscene in the pics then,(your ma's recollections are hardly evidence) also, still awaiting your explanation of the Tricolour being there. It would never be because once upon a time the flag being there wasn't that important? (which is my point)

p.s. Even the partisan Telegraph doesn't consider the protest newsworthy anymore. Will be a non issue in a month after all the damage to the Unionist cause and image.
Foot mostly certainly shot!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/

And your unsubstantiated flicker photos are not evidence either

ardmacha

And your unsubstantiated flicker photos are not evidence either

These photographs are evidence.
There is no evidence that the flag flew non stop on the Belfast City Hall since 1906. At some point a decision may have been made to fly it more often, more recently a decision was made to fly it less often.

Happyman42

junder wrote: »

And your unsubstantiated flicker photos are not evidence either

You should do some research about photoshopping and original pics junder. What I presented was an untouched or altered selection of random pics (a selection from many) that show the flag being absent. What you have presented is repeated heresay, you haven't even presented a motion to council to back up this 'unalienable tradition':rolleyes: The burden of proof is on Unionists.
Still waiting on a possible explanation of how the Tricolours were 'allowed' at one time but they are anathema now.



I'm determined to track down what that event was.

Thomas_I

SoulandForm wrote: »

Do you really honestly believe that people in Northern Ireland are two separate nations? ...

Yes, I for one reason believe that this is a fact because this has been the core of the troubles in NI even before partition. The "Religion" thing was just an abuse of the Unionists / Loyalists to distiguish themselves from the Irish.

If you are going to reject that fact, than you´re not merely missing the point for the reasons of what happened in the past 100 years in NI, you´re also missing the core of the problem to bring NI to a lasting peace.

Thomas_I

junder wrote: »

I am not Irish, i am northern Irish and a British citizen, however other people define themselves is thier own buisness

If I wouldn´t be that sure that your reference towards the term "northern Irish" wouldn´t be just a geographical one, I would see it as if you´re going to have some "progress" in your thinking. Good to know that you´re still the same.

At least, I know what your meaning of your statement is about.

You sure that there is not a single Irish ancestor in your line? What if you´d find out that it´s otherwise than you think and for some reasons such an Irish ancestor has been hidden, would that make you less British?

gallag

As yous know I am a unionist, but I dont object to being referred to as irish, I am from northern ireland after all, the same as n.koreans and s.koreans are both koreans but from very different countries. I dont reject irishness, I truly believe ireland is a fantastic country and encourage my children to embrace their own "irishness" I.e my daughter is looking forward to joining my neice at irish dancing class (to younge atm). But I suppose my political aspirations would deveate from traditional unionist aspirations as I believe the end goal to be a united ireland within the UK.

Thomas_I

gallag wrote: »

As yous know I am a unionist, but I dont object to being referred to as irish, I am from northern ireland after all, the same as n.koreans and s.koreans are both koreans but from very different countries. I dont reject irishness, I truly believe ireland is a fantastic country and encourage my children to embrace their own "irishness" I.e my daughter is looking forward to joining my neice at irish dancing class (to younge atm). But I suppose my political aspirations would deveate from traditional unionist aspirations as I believe the end goal to be a united ireland within the UK.

I can´t see any reason for why that should happen again (a united ireland within the UK).

junder

Thomas_I wrote: »

If I wouldn´t be that sure that your reference towards the term "northern Irish" wouldn´t be just a geographical one, I would see it as if you´re going to have some "progress" in your thinking. Good to know that you´re still the same.

At least, I know what your meaning of your statement is about.

You sure that there is not a single Irish ancestor in your line? What if you´d find out that it´s otherwise than you think and for some reasons such an Irish ancestor has been hidden, would that make you less British?

The chances are I have Viking, Norman, Saxon and thanks to the Roman Empire ancestors from far Eastern Europe, I am not what my ancestors where, I am what I am now and that is northern Irish and a British citizen