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Not totally off topic, he does talk about golf .......a bit....
very funny guy and a song that will change the world at 40 mins
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Hopefully he gets used to the fact that this is not Everton and we dont celebrate draws at United.
Also, looking at the guy lately, I dont think we need to worry about a 6 year contract. I reckon a heart attack will hit him soon enough if this "form" continues. He looks awful.
Big thing is do they trust him to spend 150m in the summer ?
I doubt it so reckon he's a goner. Unfortunately ( #MOYESIN
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Be better for his health anyway as I agree he looks terrible.0 -
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I think given 150M his default reaction would be to try to buy 10 15M players
The ~65M on Mata and Fellini wouldn't suggest that. :mad:
Mata I can live with, but the saga around, and price paid for Fellini was a joke.
I've never liked the appointment and still maintain that Jose wanted the job so badly and was willing (even looking) to settle down with a club like United to create a legacy after his club hopping to date... His interviews before the CL clash last year were that of a man that wanted the job beyond anything.
So, opportunity missed, he was the man for the job, we tried to create another Fergie but that's fairytale stuff... We needed someone that would step out of Fergies shadow quickly and without fear... not much to do about that now.
But going back to Moyes, I would give him another year, he has inherited a bag full of sh*te but it's still a bag that should still be performing better than it is.
I wouldn't dream of giving him near 150M, I would give him 30M max and tell him to go and raise another 60-70M from the sale of players. The squad needs to be ripped apart imo.
Kagawa (even though I rate him)
Nani
Zaha
Cleverly
Young
Would/should raise in the region of 60M, there are another 4 or 5 in the squad that could be gotten rid off once and for all, Bebe, Anderson, Macheda etc.
In theory I would like to see about 10 players leaving, and for next year, I only think they need to replace them with 4-5 real quality players.... No champs league (barring a miracle by winning it) means that this should not be an issue.
All you have to do is look at the Liverpool squad and see that it doesn't need to be jam packed when there is no European football.
So 8-10 players out, with 5 decent players in and a minimum amount of cash given to Moyes should have a team to make the top 4 next year.
If he does that and signs are encouraging, let him build on that.
The 5 players I would target given a 100M budget would be split into
Top class LB: 25M
Experienced CB maybe coming to end of career, someone that can play and help Jones, Smalling, Evans develop: Free/Loan/SFA 5M
Top Class CM: 40M
And then with the 30M left I would spend it on a quality winger (left sided preferrably)
I would love to see Coleman at the club, Rafa to be sold to make way. I'm sure a potential world cup winner should cover the cost of a wee lad from Donegal.
There's no reason that Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Chico don't offer enough to finish Top 4. I would leave that till the following year.0 -
Jose wanted the job so badly a...................So, opportunity missed, he was the man for the job,
we tried to create another Fergie but that's fairytale stuff... We needed someone that would step out of Fergies shadow quickly and without fear... not much to do about that now.
Totally agree with you. Even when you look at Fergie now, we all now he hasn't really retired, sitting in the stand at every game, and god knows what strings he is pulling behind the scenes.
There is no way he could be doing all that if Utd had given the job to Jose. (I fail to understand why he wasn't given the job) He would not be stepping out of Fergies shadow, but rather he would be casting the shadow!
Fergie wanted a puppet he could control and that puppet was Moyes. Unfortunately it has backfired in spectacular fashion (not that I'm complaining). 0 -
Totally agree with you. Even when you look at Fergie now, we all now he hasn't really retired, sitting in the stand at every game, and god knows what strings he is pulling behind the scenes.
There is no way he could be doing all that if Utd had given the job to Jose. (I fail to understand why he wasn't given the job) He would not be stepping out of Fergies shadow, but rather he would be casting the shadow!
Fergie wanted a puppet he could control and that puppet was Moyes. Unfortunately it has backfired in spectacular fashion (not that I'm complaining).
Fergie can and should be allowed sit in the stands imo, I've no problem with him playing a big part in the club.... I think the camera shots of him in the stand are all about TV dramatics.
He was so involved in the club, you could almost say that he was the club up until last year. If he was told to take a year or two off, things may have been worse.
The one thing he shouldn't have had a string to pull on imo is that he shouldn't have had a say in the next manager, the other wise heads at the club should have known that that was a bad idea...(maybe Fergie had become so powerful that they couldn't take him out of that process)... But in any job, if you leave a senior person in charge of hiring their replacement you're going to have serious issues a lot of the time.
These people need a lot of characteristics to success that immediately should rule them out of choosing their replacement. Ego being one of the main ones, Fergie's Ego helped create the legacy, egotistical people wouldn't be inclined to hire someone that would do a better job than them, or who they seen as a threat, by their nature.0 -
Totally agree with you. Even when you look at Fergie now, we all now he hasn't really retired, sitting in the stand at every game, and god knows what strings he is pulling behind the scenes.
There is no way he could be doing all that if Utd had given the job to Jose. (I fail to understand why he wasn't given the job) He would not be stepping out of Fergies shadow, but rather he would be casting the shadow!
Fergie wanted a puppet he could control and that puppet was Moyes. Unfortunately it has backfired in spectacular fashion (not that I'm complaining).
I dont think Fergie wanted a puppet, I genuinely think they thought Moyse could handle it.
He looks lost to me, his tactics after going 3:0 up were park the bus, panic stations. Thats not United. United of old is lets make it 6:0.
I think Ferguson is giving input because its badly needed, the scale of things that Moyes has to deal with now are far beyond his current abilities; ditching the backroom staff and Gill all at the same time was a poor business decision.
I agree with PARLance, cut the chaff and buy some real quality to solidify top 4 next year. Then build from there, united can survive without CL for a year (or two!)0 -
Fergie can and should be allowed sit in the stands imo, I've no problem with him playing a big part in the club.....
of course he does. my point was more aimed at Jose, and with Fergie hanging around (all be it retired), the two of them would clash like crazy, hence why he wasn't given the job.
Think you have it spot on with the Ego thing, Fergie didn't want anyone going in and doing a better job than him 0 -
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Shivers of another kind.... Might have to start shouting on Jose lads... Or even the neighbours.
It'll never happen. Please god.
Rodgers will blow it and lose the plot Keegan style
I seriously doubt that.
But I do thunk it's city's to loose, Liverpool will be no more than runners up:mad:0 -
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