Who is receiving 7 West and Badr 4 at 26 E in Dublin and rest of Ireland please?

iba

byrnefm wrote: »

My brother and I plan to try to get 7W some weekend when we have time as we've heard that for some reason, some people in the UK can receive it on 1m dishes, though they didn't mention which channels they got. We've a 1.2m.

Currently the dish is locked on to 26E and despite the strong winds of late and the trickiness of getting it tuned in in the first place, we haven't lost the channels. We don't get all the 26E channels (since some are tight over N. Africa) but do get MBCs at least, which are very stable.

Hi,

Would love to see a pic of your dish and LNBs etc.

I too have my dish pointed at 26e but its been a bit flaky over the last couple of days here in Dublin, although I didnt think the weather was that bad at all. Im also using the Black Ultra LNB (The best on the market or so Im told). What elevation do you have your dish at?

BTW I totally agree that its a bit tricky to set up in the 1st instance, but MBC does make up for it (and Dubai 1).

Regards

FREETV

iba wrote: »

Hi,

Would love to see a pic of your dish and LNBs etc.

I too have my dish pointed at 26e but its been a bit flaky over the last couple of days here in Dublin, although I didnt think the weather was that bad at all. Im also using the Black Ultra LNB (The best on the market or so Im told). What elevation do you have your dish at?

BTW I totally agree that its a bit tricky to set up in the 1st instance, but MBC does make up for it (and Dubai 1).

Regards

That is a nice neat set up iba, is the dish very close to the back of the house? Is it high up? Do you know where either in Ireland or abroad to get the cheapest Inverto Black Ultra LNB? I assume that it is their high gain which separates them from the rest as their noise factor level is 0.2.

iba

FREETV wrote: »

That is a nice neat set up iba, is the dish very close to the back of the house? Is it high up? Do you know where either in Ireland or abroad to get the cheapest Inverto Black Ultra LNB? I assume that it is their high gain which separates them from the rest as their noise factor level is 0.2.

Thanks

Those pics are a bit old so I just took some new ones now - its a bit tidier

Its on a shed at the back of the house - only I guess about 6feet up

Yes its the high gain one - the cheapest place I foud was an ebay seller in the UK - came in at around €26 - €28 - cant remember exactly

iba

a couple more

FREETV

iba wrote: »

Thanks

Those pics are a bit old so I just took some new ones now - its a bit tidier

Its on a shed at the back of the house - only I guess about 6feet up

Yes its the high gain one - the cheapest place I foud was an ebay seller in the UK - came in at around €26 - €28 - cant remember exactly

Thanks iba, I will put my early Birthday money to good use so.

pelisor2000

Forget about the Nilesat.. maybe with 2-2.5m satellite dish.
http://www.flysat.com/nilesat-beam.php
http://www.flysat.com/e7wa-beam.php

byrnefm

iba wrote: »

Hi,

Would love to see a pic of your dish and LNBs etc.

Regards

I'll try to remember to get some when I'm next visiting him (it's at his house as opposed to mine, he's near Killybegs). Can't remember which LNB he's using but I'll ask him in the meantime.

byrnefm

pelisor2000 wrote: »

Forget about the Nilesat.. maybe with 2-2.5m satellite dish.
http://www.flysat.com/nilesat-beam.php
http://www.flysat.com/e7wa-beam.php

Hmm. Based on that 'Strong Channels List' it's not looking too hopeful... oh well. Worst comes to the worse, we just retune the dish to 26E...

FREETV

I tried yesterday with my new 125cm sat dish to get reception of different Badr 4 transpondersd using leftover RG6 and a Ross 0.3 65db single Lnb never used before which I bought two years ago but could get nothing on 26E only 28.2E, 19.2E and 13.0E and there is only about a degree difference in elevation between 28E and 26E here. I have ordered more Webro WF100 and an Inverto Black Ultra quad lnb which should be here by mid week next week, any suggestions please? Maybe the Ross lnb has too much noise while also being swamped by 28E? The Yemen transponder was tried also, I didn't try for 7.2 West yet.

Peter Rhea

I posted about my own limited dealings with Badr 4 here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78469839&postcount=113

TD110 with the lnb from a Lidl kit, & the whole lot mounted on a wobbly set of goalposts. No problems getting a stable signal & stayed that way for the couple of hours I had it set up. Not much point trying any fine-tuning, due to the unstable nature of the mounting . . .

Haven't got back to it since.

iba

FREETV wrote: »

I tried yesterday with my new 125cm sat dish to get reception of different Badr 4 transpondersd using leftover RG6 and a Ross 0.3 65db single Lnb never used before which I bought two years ago but could get nothing on 26E only 28.2E, 19.2E and 13.0E and there is only about a degree difference in elevation between 28E and 26E here. I have ordered more Webro WF100 and an Inverto Black Ultra quad lnb which should be here by mid week next week, any suggestions please? Maybe the Ross lnb has too much noise while also being swamped by 28E? The Yemen transponder was tried also, I didn't try for 7.2 West yet.

Im using the black ultra on 26, no problem - previously had other LNBs and they worked too but just decided to upgrade to the best.

It can be done, perservere. I think I used 11919 as the base of my signal, the transponeder for the MBC stations

Post a pic of what u have, I mean ur dish, it might help us to help u

STB

For what its worth I am currently wrecking my own head adding 25.8E to my multibracket. Completely repositioned my dish to try and do this. I have come to the conclusion that you cannot add this particular sat without fecking up the rest of your multibracket positions even after repositioning as it messes up the natural elevation at full tilt on the bracket - one knocks out the other.

I was originally centrally positioned around 16E. Left to right I had 28/19/13/9&10/4.8. The bracket was reversed i.e. still using the central drill point but using the bottom groove screwed in to get more tilt. And they were all fine. Adding 25.8E even with a slim lnb you would think would just mean slotting it in between 28 and 19. Not so. The multibracket on the left is tilted too high (in order to maximise reception of 28.2 at the highest point and 4.8E on the lowest on the bottom right - i.e following the arc. I actually found that 25.8E position is off the multibracket past 28e (!) and down half an LNB in elevation. Which means you would have to gunther a bracket to hang off the 28.2 LNB. Even still I couldnt pick up MBC, just the Dubai Sports Channels and more importantly Dubai Racing! About 60%.

This is on a TD88 so I know I have pushed the boundaries of what this size dish is meant to do with a Triax multibracket.

So I copied IBA's setup drilling the multibracket at the quarter but it fecks up the elevation and the arc of the other sats completely (yes I had to manually readjust as I expected to). I get the impression that my original setup was possibly the best I could get with that bracket and to add from there. Unfortunately with changing the drill point on the bracket I have effectively lost my further most 4.8E LNB.

But!!!!! I will not be defeated and will continue to get it just right. Will give it a go tomorrow weather permitting. One thing that was annoying was that I couldnt see the MBC's whatsover. Is Dubai Sports channels etc stronger ?

One question for IBA, How did you position your 26E LNB on the centre arm when the bracket holder is there ? Perhaps a photos of what you did at the mid point. This may be the root of my issue.

Of course the up down bracket positioners would eliminate all this, but that would be cheating.

FREETV

How far precisely is 26E to the left of 28.2E, an inch? Less? More? I'll try again tomorrow hopefully with the old hardly used Comag Silvercrest SL65. Thank you all.

iba

STB wrote: »

For what its worth I am currently wrecking my own head adding 25.8E to my multibracket. Completely repositioned my dish to try and do this. I have come to the conclusion that you cannot add this particular sat without fecking up the rest of your multibracket positions even after repositioning as it messes up the natural elevation at full tilt on the bracket - one knocks out the other.

I was originally centrally positioned around 16E. Left to right I had 28/19/13/9&10/4.8. The bracket was reversed i.e. still using the central drill point but using the bottom groove screwed in to get more tilt. And they were all fine. Adding 25.8E even with a slim lnb you would think would just mean slotting it in between 28 and 19. Not so. The multibracket on the left is tilted too high (in order to maximise reception of 28.2 at the highest point and 4.8E on the lowest on the bottom right - i.e following the arc. I actually found that 25.8E position is off the multibracket past 28e (!) and down half an LNB in elevation. Which means you would have to gunther a bracket to hang off the 28.2 LNB. Even still I couldnt pick up MBC, just the Dubai Sports Channels and more importantly Dubai Racing! About 60%.

This is on a TD88 so I know I have pushed the boundaries of what this size dish is meant to do with a Triax multibracket.

So I copied IBA's setup drilling the multibracket at the quarter but it fecks up the elevation and the arc of the other sats completely (yes I had to manually readjust as I expected to). I get the impression that my original setup was possibly the best I could get with that bracket and to add from there. Unfortunately with changing the drill point on the bracket I have effectively lost my further most 4.8E LNB.

But!!!!! I will not be defeated and will continue to get it just right. Will give it a go tomorrow weather permitting. One thing that was annoying was that I couldnt see the MBC's whatsover. Is Dubai Sports channels etc stronger ?

One question for IBA, How did you position your 26E LNB on the centre arm when the bracket holder is there ? Perhaps a photos of what you did at the mid point. This may be the root of my issue.

Of course the up down bracket positioners would eliminate all this, but that would be cheating.

Ill do a photo 4 u tomorrow - but basically I think I put the LNB Brachet on its side and drilled a hole through it to attach it to the multibracket arm - I then tied/held the bracket closed with a piece o gardening plastic wire (sorry I cant think of a better word for it) - you will see in my pics the green thing.

I dont know what to suggest to you STB, but Id love to help you since you help me so much - but tune in your box, leave MBC2 on and ust keep moving your dish ever ever so slightly.

It does work, but with just the ordinary Triax arm, there is no way you will get 4.8 on it

As I said before, I have 28, 26, 19 and 13 but Im going to change soon to try and get 28, 26, 13 & 10 (PLTV )

iba

FREETV wrote: »

How far precisely is 26E to the left of 28.2E, an inch? Less? More? I'll try again tomorrow hopefully with the old hardly used Comag Silvercrest SL65. Thank you all.

Look at my pics, it is about an inch

I had one of those boxes before and its grand - I picked up MBC on it

FREETV

iba wrote: »

Look at my pics, it is about an inch

I had one of those boxes before and its grand - I picked up MBC on it

Okay so if I just select the MBC 11919 H 27500 transponder and I have the signal strength and quality meter showing and I move it an inch or so to the left of 28.2E then MBC will then be received by the SL65 and the channel will show up on the right on the small screen?

swoofer

stb, why call it 25.5 its 26% and with a 78 you are going to struggle, to get this one it has to spot on, 90cm is recommended for where you are. look here
http://www.arabsat.com/pages/BADR4.aspx

I am in the west with a triax 1.1m and the black ultra and get 88s 54q. And the receiver needs a good tuner. your best bet is try dish with one lnb on arm, ie dont use bracket, set dish up exactly as per dish pointer and then use 12054 V for one and 11919h for other.

i will be surprised if you get it

STB

GBCULLEN wrote: »

stb, why call it 25.5 its 26% and with a 78 you are going to struggle, to get this one it has to spot on, 90cm is recommended for where you are. look here
http://www.arabsat.com/pages/BADR4.aspx

I am in the west with a triax 1.1m and the black ultra and get 88s 54q. And the receiver needs a good tuner. your best bet is try dish with one lnb on arm, ie dont use bracket, set dish up exactly as per dish pointer and then use 12054 V for one and 11919h for other.

i will be surprised if you get it

25.8E is what I called it which is BADR2 ? BADR3 is 26E and C is 26.2E ? No ? Either way on my Ctech 5000C (ultra sensitive) tuning box its in as 25.8E on the pretuned Sats!

I have a TD88, not 78 and am using Inverto Black Ultras and Inverto Slimlines for the weaker sats. I am in the South East.

If I can fine tune 10E and 4.8E on a multibracket I am sure the other wont be too much of a problem, but my experiences so far, not so good, but I will persist.

Hey the worst thing that can happen in the event that it doesn't work out is that I take a lump hammer to the dish and use it as an excuse to buy a get a ginormous one.

iba

FREETV wrote: »

Okay so if I just select the MBC 11919 H 27500 transponder and I have the signal strength and quality meter showing and I move it an inch or so to the left of 28.2E then MBC will then be received by the SL65 and the channel will show up on the right on the small screen?

Im not sure what yourset up is - but Id advise not touse anybrackets or anything at the moment and justhave the one LNB on the min arm of the dish and try and lock onto MBC

Tell me though (I cant remember) is 26 actually a preloaded sat on that box.

Other strong stations on 26 are Saudi Sports, Dubai sports and the Al-Jazeera stations.

if you post a pic it might help too.

Also the elevation of your dish is important - I cant remember what mine is at, but I think GB Cullen is good at telling what elevations should be used.

iba

GBCULLEN wrote: »

stb, why call it 25.5 its 26% and with a 78 you are going to struggle, to get this one it has to spot on, 90cm is recommended for where you are. look here
http://www.arabsat.com/pages/BADR4.aspx

I am in the west with a triax 1.1m and the black ultra and get 88s 54q. And the receiver needs a good tuner. your best bet is try dish with one lnb on arm, ie dont use bracket, set dish up exactly as per dish pointer and then use 12054 V for one and 11919h for other.

i will be surprised if you get it

I was wondering why he was saying 25.5 but I didnt want to say anything because STB knows a hell of a lot more than me. But yes I agree, its 26

What does the 88s and 54q refer to above?

Yes I agree, just use the main arm to start with and then afterwards use the bracket.

I can get MBC etc on my Ariva 120, 250 and Humax.

also I wanted to ask, what is the best elevation I should have my dish at - im in Dublin 15?

thanks

iba

STB wrote: »

25.8E is what I called it which is BADR2 ? BADR3 is 26E and C is 26.2E ? No ? Either way on my Ctech 5000C (ultra sensitive) tuning box its in as 25.8E on the pretuned Sats!

I have a TD88, not 78 and am using Inverto Black Ultras and Inverto Slimlines for the weaker sats. I am in the South East.

If I can fine tune 10E and 4.8E on a multibracket I am sure the other wont be too much of a problem, but my experiences so far, not so good, but I will persist.

Hey the worst thing that can happen in the event that it doesn't work out is that I take a lump hammer to the dish and use it as an excuse to buy a get a ginormous one.

Dishes are so cheap now, the hammer will probably cost you more

I want you to get this, coz then Im going to copy you

Peter Rhea

GBCULLEN wrote: »

stb, why call it 25.5 its 26% and with a 78 you are going to struggle, to get this one it has to spot on, 90cm is recommended for where you are . . . i will be surprised if you get it

He already did get it, albeit with the lnb in a strange position:

STB wrote: »

I actually found that 25.8E position is off the multibracket past 28e (!) and down half an LNB in elevation. Which means you would have to gunther a bracket to hang off the 28.2 LNB. Even still I couldnt pick up MBC, just the Dubai Sports Channels and more importantly Dubai Racing! About 60%.

Dubai Racing seems only to be on Badr 4 & Nilesat 201.

. . . One thing that was annoying was that I couldnt see the MBC's whatsover. Is Dubai Sports channels etc stronger ?

MBC apparently have their own separate beam: the official footprint shows no coverage whatsoever for this part of the world.

FREETV

iba wrote: »

Im not sure what yourset up is - but Id advise not touse anybrackets or anything at the moment and justhave the one LNB on the min arm of the dish and try and lock onto MBC

Tell me though (I cant remember) is 26 actually a preloaded sat on that box.

Other strong stations on 26 are Saudi Sports, Dubai sports and the Al-Jazeera stations.

if you post a pic it might help too.

Also the elevation of your dish is important - I cant remember what mine is at, but I think GB Cullen is good at telling what elevations should be used. The dish is a Smart Electronics 1.25M dish with a Raven elevation bracket and nuts, bolts, washers provided in the Raven box, however there are no elevation readings on it.

The dish is a Smart Electronics 1.25M dish with a Raven elevation bracket and nuts, bolts, washers provided in the Raven box, however there are no elevation readings on it.
No, 26E isn't preloaded on those boxes iba. I may try the Saudi Sports frequency. I will also try the spirit level on the pole to get it as straight as possible even though it works for the three other satellites.

Peter Rhea

iba wrote: »

. . . also I wanted to ask, what is the best elevation I should have my dish at - im in Dublin 15?

Best elevation? That would be the elevation angle for the satellite you're aiming at, or for the relevant part of the arc if you have several satellites on a multi setup, but the dish focus isn't on an actual satellite position.

It's not hard to find the angles for actual satellite positions, say from the likes of dishpointer. This will at least provide a starting point, as your mounting pole may not be dead plumb, or the dish elevation scale particularly accurate.

iba

FREETV wrote: »

No, 26E isn't preloaded on those boxes iba. I may try the Saudi Sports frequency.

Im afraid I cant remember how to add new transponders, but I know I did it so Im sure you can too.

Saudi Sports usually comes in very clear for me, even better than MBC

iba

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Best elevation? That would be the elevation angle for the satellite you're aiming at, or for the relevant part of the arc if you have several satellites on a multi setup, but the dish focus isn't on an actual satellite position.

It's not hard to find the angles for actual satellite positions, say from the likes of dishpointer. This will at least provide a starting point, as your mounting pole may not be dead plumb, or the dish elevation scale particularly accurate.

Thans Peter,

Did that and got this,

Satellite DataDish Setup Data

Name: 26E ARABSAT 5B (BADR 5) | BADR-4 (ARABSAT-4B) | BADR-6

Distance: 39342km
Motor Latitude: 53.4°
Declination Angle: 7.6°
Dish Elevation: °
Elevation: 22.2°
Azimuth (true): 141.7°
Azimuth (magn.): 145.8°
LNB Skew [?]: -21.7°


Dish Skew [?]: 90.0°




will have a look when i gohome tonite to see if Im any where close to 22.2

I understand though what your saying, pole may be a bit off etc etc

FREETV

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Best elevation? That would be the elevation angle for the satellite you're aiming at, or for the relevant part of the arc if you have several satellites on a multi setup, but the dish focus isn't on an actual satellite position.

It's not hard to find the angles for actual satellite positions, say from the likes of dishpointer. This will at least provide a starting point, as your mounting pole may not be dead plumb, or the dish elevation scale particularly accurate.

Twenty two point one degrees according to Lyngsat is the elevation angle for 26E in my area, however there are no elevation measurements on the raven bracket of my new dish.

FREETV

iba wrote: »

Thans Peter,

Did that and got this,

Satellite DataDish Setup Data

Name: 26E ARABSAT 5B (BADR 5) | BADR-4 (ARABSAT-4B) | BADR-6

Distance: 39342km
Motor Latitude: 53.4°
Declination Angle: 7.6°
Dish Elevation: °
Elevation: 22.2°
Azimuth (true): 141.7°
Azimuth (magn.): 145.8°
LNB Skew [?]: -21.7°


Dish Skew [?]: 90.0°




will have a look when i gohome tonite to see if Im any where close to 22.2

I understand though what your saying, pole may be a bit off etc etc

I was thinking that the skew of the LNB may be a problem also, although the Ross LNB is supposed to skew automatically by itself when centred, advanced polarisation it says on the sticker. What would the LNB skew be? The 11 O Clock or ten O clock position anti-clockwise?

iba

FREETV wrote: »

I was thinking that the skew of the LNB may be a problem also, although the Ross LNB is supposed to skew automatically by itself when centred, advanced polarisation it says on the sticker. What would the LNB skew be? The 11 O Clock or ten O clock position anti-clockwise?

After I got some sort of signal/pic on 26, I just moved the LNB a little bit this way and a little bit that way until I got the strongest signal.

Dont know about 10 or 11 o'clock - i would say mine (looking at my pics on this thread) is at about 1 o'clock

I never knew about the elevation when I was setting mine up - so first I set my box on MBC (or whatever station) then moved the dish left and right till I got some sort of signal/picture, then I moved it up and down and then I moved the LNB. It took time (lots in fact) but I got it in the end.

swoofer

ok I am waiting on STB and I got dish size wrong so with 88cm he may get a sniff. I checked on 26 now and this is the strongest one I can find.

11958H 27500 and it reads 80%S = signal strength
66%Q = quality.

The markings on dishes can be very poor but I found triax to be good. 22.2 is the elevation but when you get a signal tweak the dish up and down to get the best signal and then mark dish! Move lnb in and out and twist again to get best signal. Once you peak on an HORIZONTAL channel you then have to check a vertical one so use this one
12015V 27500 and that is 77S and 60Q on a 1.1m triax with black ultra here in the west. All my figures should be better where you are so aim for 70%Q once you have the best tighen everything rock solid. then use the bracket. all the other sats including 10east are much stronger than 26east or BADR4.

http://en.kingofsat.net/sat-badr4.php

a mine of information

To get dish sizes I use kingofsat but that is a busy site ie lots on the page but go slowly and scroll down it will reveal a lot. here is 26 east and if you look across the top it will actually show the sat exact location in real time. so see badr 4 = 25.97% click on it and another page opens, scroll down and you get all the channel. click on expand the frequencies, note the beam ie bss, click on it scroll down and you get reception reports. I wont put mine in as they may reduce the power!! note it gives dish sizes and 1.1m is good for ireland.

iba I am sure I replied to a message to you.

that MBC beam is weird and very close to 28east.

good luck