So its Bliain na Gaeilge now is it.

Iwasfrozen

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Bit of a jump in logic there.

Well should they be ambushed and pressured into speaking Irish by some randomer on the street with an agenda?

Deedsie

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well should they be ambushed and pressured into speaking Irish by some randomer on the street with an agenda?

Just say, i dont speak Irish and move along. I would encourage any new innovative attempts to promote not just the language but the forgotten parts of our culture. It should never be forced on anyone obviously but should be completely open and available to them should they wish to partake in all and any aspects of Irish culture.

K4t

A country without a language is a country without a soul...A language without a country is a language without a soul.

opti0nal

Deedsie wrote: »

Who's forcing anyone to speak Irish? I dont get why you quoted my post and then asked that?

A: The Government: compulsory Irish lessons for native English-speakers at school.

You stated:

It's a massive part of our heritage and it should be guarded and protected in my opinion.

I think it's fair to ask you if forcing people to speak Irish is part of what you mean by 'guarded and protected'.

somairle

It's a nice little campaign, if I wasn't currently learning another langauge I would brush up on it. I hope I get a chance to speak it during run campaign though

Wibbs

K4t wrote: »

A country without a language is a country without a soul...A language without a country is a language without a soul.

We have a language. Two of them officially(and others) and in one our record of important world literature is gigantic. Plus you better say that about all the nations of the Americas and much of Africa and the antipodes too, but it would be equally daft.

Deedsie

opti0nal wrote: »

A: The Government: compulsory Irish lessons for native English-speakers at school.

You stated:
I think it's fair to ask you if forcing people to speak Irish is part of what you mean by 'guarded and protected'.

Well I'm not involved in education... I doesn't really affect me that Irish is compulsory. The job of the government is to legislate on behalf of the Irish people and to uphold the constitution of Ireland. Irish and English have equal status in our constitution... It would be unconstitutional not to provide equal education in Irish and English. English is also compulsory, and rightly so obviously.

I understand some people have a vehement hatred for Irish for some reason... It's a useless language apparently... Waste of time and money etc...

Why don't people try to lobby their TD's and senators to change the status of Irish to a minority language!

I obviously disagree and feel that the Iridh language revival project could be a great source of national pride if we could be bilingual! I also think it might help future generations have a better ear for learning other languages...

NegativeCreep

Why must they always try and force Irish on us? If someone wants to speak it then go ahead but like leave the rest of us alone!

lightspeed

Im sick to death of people in this country acting like Irish is the native language of this country. Clearly the native language spoken by the majority of people here is English. What bothers me most is that it is mandatory for irish people sitting the leaving cert. Im thinking of repeating mine and although i got a C at ordinary when i originally sat the leaving cert a few years ago, I will have to resit it again if i wish to resit the Leaving cert. Why??
How is that moral or legal?

Plus it cleary gives foreign students an advantage over Irish students as most foreign students sitting the leaving cert will have experiance and knowledge of speaking their native language e.g Arabic or Polish. However, the same argument is probably made for irish students which is not the case. That may not seem a big deal but as far as im aware, CAO points are still pretty competitive in areas such as medicine.

I dont like the Irish language
I should not be forced to study it and never should have been.
It is a disgusting insult to democracy.
People make the argument that it would die out completely if it was not mandatory. If that is the democratic will of the people than hopefully that can one day be accomplished.

How can anybody agree with Irish being a mandatory subject say they believe in democracy???

That is clearly just hypocrisy

Deedsie

lightspeed wrote: »

Im sick to death of people in this country acting like Irish is the native language of this country. Clearly the native language spoken by the majority of people here is English. What bothers me most is that it is mandatory for irish people sitting the leaving cert. Im thinking of repeating mine and although i got a C at ordinary when i originally sat the leaving cert a few years ago, I will have to resit it again if i wish to resit the Leaving cert. Why??
How is that moral or legal?

Plus it cleary gives foreign students an advantage over Irish students as most foreign students sitting the leaving cert will have experiance and knowledge of speaking their native language e.g Arabic or Polish. However, the same argument is probably made for irish students which is not the case. That may not seem a big deal but as far as im aware, CAO points are still pretty competitive in areas such as medicine.

I dont like the Irish language
I should not be forced to study it and never should have been.
It is a disgusting insult to democracy.
People make the argument that it would die out completely if it was not mandatory. If that is the democratic will of the people than hopefully that can one day be accomplished.

How can anybody agree with Irish being a mandatory subject say they believe in democracy???

That is clearly just hypocrisy

It is, according to our constitution equal to English... If it wasn't taught the same way surely that would be undemocratic? You threw a bit of a wobbler there on an Internet forum where the opinions of posters means nothing! Can I ask, have you ever contacted your local TD's about it? If you are so passionate about it, seek to change it!

I just like the Irish language, would love to be fluent... Maybe someday I will have time to practice it a bit more. But for now I say fair play to the organizers of this campaign. I hope it is well received by most, and I hope those that don't like the idea aren't overly annoyed by it!

lightspeed

Thats exactly my point. According to the constitution it is equal to English but that is based on a fictional reality that Irish is spoken by a large portion of the country.

Im not sure whether to admire of pity your faith in Irish politics. If our beloved TDs are unable to influence the budget and cuts such as the cuts to the respite care grants, then what makes you think that any TDs could influence such a change in our education system?

Which union is going to support making Irish an optional subject resulting in job losses for Union fee paying Irish teachers?
None
Therfore which party is going to support such a move?
None.
So what would the point be in contacting your local TD regarding this nationwide injustice until there is a party established that is not dictated to by unions?
None

I would be happy to appreciate the Irish language if it was not forced upon me. There are people in the world that speak Klingon as a language but it is not spoken by many people everyday just like irish.

So why is Klingon not a mandatory subject?

Heres a link to other useless languages just like Irish that we could also make mandatory
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-invented-languages.php

Míshásta

ChrisOF wrote: »

Even old English staples like Auld Lang Syne have been Irished for the occasion.

"Auld Lang Syne" is Scots. The title of the song is completely meaningless in English.

Here's another verse:

"We twa hae paidl'd in the burn
Frae morning sun til dine,
But seas between us braid hae roar'd
Sin' auld lang syne"

Do you find it strange that those words need to be translated into standard English to be understood by English speakers?

Auld Lang Syne has been translated into numerous languages, what is so remarkable about an Irish version being produced?

Poems and songs have beentranslated from English to Irish and Irish to English for hundreds of years. 1913 being declared Bliain na Gaeilge has no relevence to this longstanding relationship between the two languages.

Míshásta

who the fug wrote: »

Anyway who going to help me fill out a grant application for porn site as Gaeilge

Now that's an interesting challange.

Give us a few sample sentences and I'll do my best to oblige.

opti0nal

Deedsie wrote: »

It would be unconstitutional not to provide equal education in Irish and English. English is also compulsory, and rightly so

Why not make learning just one of the official languages compulsory? Let people choose?

Blackjack

lightspeed wrote: »

Im thinking of repeating mine and although i got a C at ordinary when i originally sat the leaving cert a few years ago, I will have to resit it again if i wish to resit the Leaving cert. Why??

This bit of your post is wrong. So is the rest of your post.

Best of luck with your repeats. Suggest you read the guidelines in full before you select your subject choices.

Deedsie

opti0nal wrote: »

Why not make learning just one of the official languages compulsory? Let people choose?

Ya, that seems fair to me... As long as it was either or both... Not just one or the other. No one should be forced to do anything they don't want too... Obviously people who dislike Irish should just ignore this campaign.

It is the responsibility of the Irish government though to treat Irish and English the same... Or else change the constitution. They are elected to protect and make sure the Irish constitution is the road map for the Ireland we all live in!

Cavehill Red

K4t wrote: »

A country without a language is a country without a soul...A language without a country is a language without a soul.

A soul without a country is a language without a, um, where were we?

Herb Powell

Chun a bheith macánta, tá fadhb ar bith agam leis an teanga (obviously) agus táim tuirseach traochta le na daoine ag tabhart amach gad stad. Yeah, níor mhaith liom an Leaving Cert nó an Junior Cert in aon chor, ach ní fáth é sin fuath a fháil don theanga.

Honestly, I just do not understand it. Nobody is being forced to do anything here, yet we still have people complaining.

Rayne Wooney

lightspeed wrote: »

Im sick to death of people in this country acting like Irish is the native language of this country. Clearly the native language spoken by the majority of people here is English. What bothers me most is that it is mandatory for irish people sitting the leaving cert. Im thinking of repeating mine and although i got a C at ordinary when i originally sat the leaving cert a few years ago, I will have to resit it again if i wish to resit the Leaving cert. Why??
How is that moral or legal?

Plus it cleary gives foreign students an advantage over Irish students as most foreign students sitting the leaving cert will have experiance and knowledge of speaking their native language e.g Arabic or Polish. However, the same argument is probably made for irish students which is not the case. That may not seem a big deal but as far as im aware, CAO points are still pretty competitive in areas such as medicine.

I dont like the Irish language
I should not be forced to study it and never should have been.
It is a disgusting insult to democracy.
People make the argument that it would die out completely if it was not mandatory. If that is the democratic will of the people than hopefully that can one day be accomplished.

How can anybody agree with Irish being a mandatory subject say they believe in democracy???

That is clearly just hypocrisy

In ionad a beith ag tabhairt amach ar an idirlíon faoi rud nach bhfuil chun athrú, cén fáth nach usáideann tú an t-am sin chun teanga dúchasach do tír féin a foughlaim?

Tá Gaeilge éasca mar ábhar má chuireann tú an iarracht isteach le bheith ionraic.

Cén fáth nach thaitníonn Gaeilge leat?

Stained Class

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

In ionad a beith ag tabhairt amach ar an idirlíon faoi rud nach bhfuil chun athrú, cén fáth nach usáideann tú an t-am sin chun teanga dúchasach do tír féin a foughlaim?

Tá Gaeilge éasca mar ábhar má chuireann tú an iarracht isteach le bheith ionraic.

Cén fáth nach thaitníonn Gaeilge leat?

Christ.:rolleyes:

Rayne Wooney

Stained Class wrote: »

Christ.:rolleyes:

Is there a passage somewhere in the Bible saying Jesus created the Irish language or am I missing something?

:rolleyes::rolleyes:?

Stained Class

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Is there a passage somewhere in the Bible saying Jesus created the Irish language or am I missing something?

:rolleyes::rolleyes:?

No.

As a hard pressed taxpayer, I'm kinda gettin tired of paying for your hobbyhorse.

Pay for your own hobbies & stop dipping into our pockets, if you please.

Thank You.

Deedsie

Stained Class wrote: »

No.

As a hard pressed taxpayer, I'm kinda gettin tired of paying for your hobbyhorse.

Pay for your own hobbies & stop dipping into our pockets, if you please.

Thank You.

Ah, I pay tax too and I am happy for it to be spent on the Irish language...

Stained Class

Deedsie wrote: »

Ah, I pay tax too and I am happy for it to be spent on the Irish language...

So you like throwing money down the drain?

Good for you.

I can't afford this kind of nonsense & want to see an end to it.

That's my view on it.

Rayne Wooney

Stained Class wrote: »

No.

As a hard pressed taxpayer, I'm kinda gettin tired of paying for your hobbyhorse.

Pay for your own hobbies & stop dipping into our pockets, if you please.

Thank You.

Jesus, Mary & Joseph. :rolleyes:

Stained Class

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Jesus, Mary & Joseph. :rolleyes:

Okay. Expand your arguement a little bit here.

Why is a lot of Irish taxpayers earnings being spent/wasted on your hobbyhorse?

It's been done for the last 80/90 years to do nothing but please people like yourself.

What's the result?

Deedsie

Stained Class wrote: »

So you like throwing money down the drain?

Good for you.

I can't afford this kind of nonsense & want to see an end to it.

That's my view on it.

I don't consider it throwing money down the drain... Compared to some of our other government expenditures... Public servants who get more than €100000 a year. The way the money is used to teach Irish isn't great...

Ill always support the preservation of our heritage. A globalised Anglo/American monoculture is grand like... But I find it a bit boring!

Deedsie

Stained Class wrote: »

Okay. Expand your arguement a little bit here.

Why is a lot of Irish taxpayers earnings being spent/wasted on your hobbyhorse?

It's been done for the last 80/90 years to do nothing but please people like yourself.

What's the result?

Because, according to the constitution Irish and English are equal... They have to be treate the same... Am I saying it wrong or something?

Stained Class

Deedsie wrote: »

Ill always support the preservation of our heritage. A globalised Anglo/American monoculture is grand like... But I find it a bit boring!

I agree with you on this, but there's no excuse for the money spent on the Irish language in our educational system.

Being Irish means loads more than the 'Langwach'.

It's about the Parish, the GAA, music, the Mammy in the kitchen, footing turf, having a few pints.

In real life, most people see the' languich' as a burden that has to be endured.

Irish language fanatics everywhere, take a pat on the back.

Youve made your hobby a laughing stock & an expensive one to boot.

Good on yer.

Iwasfrozen

Herb Powell wrote: »

Chun a bheith macánta, tá fadhb ar bith agam leis an teanga (obviously) agus táim tuirseach traochta le na daoine ag tabhart amach gad stad. Yeah, níor mhaith liom an Leaving Cert nó an Junior Cert in aon chor, ach ní fáth é sin fuath a fháil don theanga.

Honestly, I just do not understand it. Nobody is being forced to do anything here, yet we still have people complaining.

Rayne Wooney wrote:

In ionad a beith ag tabhairt amach ar an idirlíon faoi rud nach bhfuil chun athrú, cén fáth nach usáideann tú an t-am sin chun teanga dúchasach do tír féin a foughlaim?

Tá Gaeilge éasca mar ábhar má chuireann tú an iarracht isteach le bheith ionraic.

Cén fáth nach thaitníonn Gaeilge leat?

Nice bit of google translate there lads but you're not allowed to post Irish here without providing a translation.

Deedsie wrote: »

Because, according to the constitution Irish and English are equal... They have to be treate the same... Am I saying it wrong or something?

America has the right idea. Have no official language and let people choose their own tongue. Democracy will win out in the end.