Man gambles post office money

lukas8888

Zuko123 wrote: »

Hyperbolic much? Please explain to us how they would know his status,job,likely income upon signing up?[/Q

Hyperbolic maybe but you are naive if you think that after a couple of five to ten thousand euro punts they would not know everything about this addict.As you appear to be a pp cheerleader you must know that they have a shop network in most irish towns for example Main Street Gorey.All high rollers are vetted and the winners are barred.This saga is in my hyperbolic opinion remains a scandal that requires much more investigation.

Zuko123

Erm no I'm not naive,you are changing what you said,you said they would know all about him upon signing up,now you've changed it to a few months later.and I'm hardly a pp cheerleader,they closed my account a long time ago but I don't whine like a little girl over it,this is the nature of the beast.Winners have their accounts closed,losers get taken to race meetings All this moral outrage is a joke.in Vegas the casinos comp gamblers,te more you lose the more you get comped,you count cards you get barred (or worse)
This is the way the world is,

byronbay2

Zuko123 wrote: »

Erm no I'm not naive,you are changing what you said,you said they would know all about him upon signing up,now you've changed it to a few months later.and I'm hardly a pp cheerleader,they closed my account a long time ago but I don't whine like a little girl over it,this is the nature of the beast.Winners have their accounts closed,losers get taken to race meetings All this moral outrage is a joke.in Vegas the casinos comp gamblers,te more you lose the more you get comped,you count cards you get barred (or worse)
This is the way the world is,

Sorry Zuko, I've got to disagree with you on this one. Over 95% of gamblers lose and most of us can suck it up and move on. I've gambled all my life (first bet March 1975) and am a loser (lost in 3 of the last 5 years) but will happily continue to gamble until the end of my life. I accept my losses as the price I pay for my entertainment.

What you need to realise is: there is a small minority of gamblers (less than 2%) who can't control their impulse to gamble and will inevitably lose all their money if they don't get help. That is why Paddy Power (and all the other bookies) have virtual racing, roulette, racing from SA/Fra/Ger etc. These products are not aimed at the ordinary punter and you better believe me when I say that PP can spot a compulsive gambler a lot quicker than you or I can. Should they break them or help them?? It's probably going to happen anyway (the breaking) but I can't stand the way the bookies give this Responsible Gambling BS but then can't spot a post office manager in a small regional town who bets €10m in 16 months as a compulsive gambler!!

Anyway, it's not something we need to worry too much about (ordinary gamblers) but I think we need to have some consideration for this man and his family who have lost everything to help PP make their record profits.

Rant over for good, this time/

Zuko123

There is a thread on this in bet fairs Irish sports forum.Some guy is apparently meeting his local TD to complain about this matter.He wants to make a formal complaint to the gardai! The cops should have a good laugh over this,a bookie takes bets off a ****e gambler,how shocking

Austria!

Zuko123 wrote: »

a bookie takes bets off a ****e gambler,how shocking

It's not that he was a ****e gambler, it's that he was an addict. Taking advantage of the stupid is the business model, but taking advantage of people who can't really control themselves is a level beyond that. I don't think it's ok, and if I could make the laws then I'd make what PP did illegal*. If we don't allow under 18s to gamble because they won't be responsible enough, then surely we can't allow addicts, who will be much less responsible, to gamble.





*I do not know if it is currently legal or not.

Zuko123

Austria! wrote: »

It's not that he was a ****e gambler, it's that he was an addict. Taking advantage of the stupid is the business model, but taking advantage of people who can't really control themselves is a level beyond that. I don't think it's ok, and if I could make the laws then I'd make what PP did illegal*. If we don't allow under 18s to gamble because they won't be responsible enough, then surely we can't allow addicts, who will be much less responsible, to gamble.





*I do not know if it is currently legal or not.

O come on,you want to make it illegal to accept bets from addicts,how the hell would this be enforced? All I can say is dont ever go to Vegas,you would be horrified at the casinos giving free drinks and comping the punters.

UrbanSea

Can't believe people are really blaming Paddy Power here. Yes they're a business, but they happen to be the most expensive business per share in the whole country.

Complaining about them being immoral and taking bets from this guy is laughable. Gambling and all bookies is immoral. If he chose to bet with 365 or Ladbrokes (not Irish owned) should he face an Oireachtas?

Why should they pay back the money, if the gambler won money off them and was then caught, the money would be taken from him by the CAB, would they return it to PP? You must be having a laugh

Zuko123

I think there is an attitude nowadays that you don't have to take responsibility for anything. If you are alcoholic,drug/gambling addicted its not your fault, you have a "disease" and it is the evil drinks, tobacco, drugs companies, bookies, casinos fault.
So because they have supposedly no control if their actions they continue to ruin their own lives and maybe families lives by using this "disease" excuse instead of sorting themselves out.
There is a very good South Park episode on this where randy becomes and alcoholic,

lukas8888

RichieLawlessness wrote: »

Can't believe people are really blaming Paddy Power here. Yes they're a business, but they happen to be the most expensive business per share in the whole country.

Complaining about them being immoral and taking bets from this guy is laughable. Gambling and all bookies is immoral. If he chose to bet with 365 or Ladbrokes (not Irish owned) should he face an Oireachtas?

Why should they pay back the money, if the gambler won money off them and was then caught, the money would be taken from him by the CAB, would they return it to PP? You must be having a laugh

What naivety try winning any more than 4or5 thousand from pp and your account will be monitored then win a few grand more and you will be restricted to peanut stakes or will have your account closed

lukas8888

Zuko123 wrote: »

I think there is an attitude nowadays that you don't have to take responsibility for anything. If you are alcoholic,drug/gambling addicted its not your fault, you have a "disease" and it is the evil drinks, tobacco, drugs companies, bookies, casinos fault.
So because they have supposedly no control if their actions they continue to ruin their own lives and maybe families lives by using this "disease" excuse instead of sorting themselves out.
There is a very good South Park episode on this where randy becomes and alcoholic,

Paddy Power should sack their pr guy and employ you, a sterling defence of this deplorable episode.I read in today's sindo that once again Declan Lynch is going after them and sounds like a man on a mission.The answers to his queries are pathetic here's hoping he keeps on their case and I for one will enjoy watching them squirm.

tommyombomb

byronbay2 wrote: »

What you need to realise is: there is a small minority of gamblers (less than 2%) who can't control their impulse to gamble and will inevitably lose all their money if they don't get help.
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I think you are way off with 2% of gamblers only being problem gamblers. I would hazard a guess that anywhere from 10-20% of gamblers have a problem in my personal experience. Probably even way higher than this as I've heard/witnessed so many train wrecks,

Zuko123

lukas8888 wrote: »

Paddy Power should sack their pr guy and employ you, a sterling defence of this deplorable episode.I read in today's sindo that once again Declan Lynch is going after them and sounds like a man on a mission.The answers to his queries are pathetic here's hoping he keeps on their case and I for one will enjoy watching them squirm.

No need for them to employ me,I would rather they reopen my account with them. Once again you guys should never go to Vegas, when you see how they comp people you would be on the phone to Joe Duffy venting your outrage

byronbay2

Zuko123 wrote: »

No need for them to employ me,I would rather they reopen my account with them. Once again you guys should never go to Vegas, when you see how they comp people you would be on the phone to Joe Duffy venting your outrage

I see you (and some of the other posters on this thread) have the typical American attitude: "I'm alright Jack so go fu*k yourself!". That's OK and I hope it stays fine for you but that attitude is why American society is so (irreparably) damaged, with regard to inequality/guns/drugs/healthcare/home repossessions etc etc etc. In Ireland, we have traditionally (and I hope this will continue) had a more caring attitude towards people who are "down on their luck" in some way. Thus we have unemployment allowances, rent allowance, medical cards etc to help people maintain a reasonable existence until they can get back on their feet.

Similarly with problem gamblers: where an American would say "Fu*k them, not my problem", most Irish people would sympathise and like to think that some help should available to them. Irish bookies (unlike the same bookies when operating in Britain) pay nothing, or virtually nothing, to help people who admit they have a gambling problem and look for help. It's almost like they don't want anything done about the problem - I can't imagine why! Now that, to me, is immoral but I wouldn't mind it so much except that they put on this disgusting pretence of concern while at the same time making record profits and giving virtually nothing back to help those adversely affected by their product.

BTW, it's only getting worse. This generation of teenagers/20-somethings gamble much more heavily than previous generations (hence the record profits!) and thus will inevitably create a much higher number of problem gamblers in the future. But, hey, it's not something you need to worry about - unless it turns out to be your child/grandchild etc.

Zuko123

I dunno, if someone offers a product or service and certain people decide to abuse it,should the provider of said product be responsible? Should glue manufacturers pay money towards helping glue sniffers?
Should cadburys pay towards fat women's health problems? That would set dangerous precedents

byronbay2

Zuko123 wrote: »

I dunno, if someone offers a product or service and certain people decide to abuse it,should the provider of said product be responsible? Should glue manufacturers pay money towards helping glue sniffers?
Should cadburys pay towards fat women's health problems? That would set dangerous precedents

I don't think you're comparing like with like. What gambling needs, just as much (or more) than treatment for existing problem gamblers is raised awareness and improved education, especially among younger people, about the dangers gambling poses. The correct comparison is with the alcohol industry, which funds a very high-profile (and expensive) campaign of education and awareness called DrinkAware.

Zuko123

Yes we have to educate young people the dangers of robbing from your employer and then betting 40,000 on a Norwegian ladies football team.they would never figure out how dumb this is on their own

SirDelboy18

Zuko123 wrote: »

Yes we have to educate young people the dangers of robbing from your employer and then betting 40,000 on a Norwegian ladies football team.they would never figure out how dumb this is on their own

Yep that's exactly what he said.

Making things up FTW.