The 'flegs' thing...

Penfailed

...it's all a bit embarrassing really.

el tel

Penfailed wrote: »

...it's all a bit embarrassing really.

For one side of "the community" at least!

martinedwards

for anyone of a balanced outlook on life its embarrassing.

why are idiots rioting in Carickfergus because a neighbouring council makes a decision they don't like?

and then the police come out with the earth shattering comment that they reckon that its paramilitary groups orchestrating the violence.

well I hope you got top of detective class for thinking like that!!!!

Offy

Its really sad. Since then flags have popped up everywhere, a few weeks later they are tattered and ripped. They look terrible but the people that hung them dont seem to care about how they look.
For years the flag hangers have hated Catholics, Nationalists, republicans and people from the Republic of Ireland. They have terrorised innocent people all over the six counties. They have colluded with departments of the British government to murder people. Now they no longer have a majority. What will happen to them in the long run? Will they expect to be treated with more respect than they have treated others with?
With a growing Catholic community and a shrinking Protestant community what will the demographics be like in twenty years time? If I didnt encounter so much racially prejudiced treatment since moving up here a year ago I might actually feel sorry them.

Penfailed

It's kinda died a death over Christmas though. I haven't heard of any protests since the 21st.

fasttalkerchat

There were some hilarious moments but it ruined the Christmas market and the shops took a big hit. I feel bad for anyone caught up in the trouble, almost every town had some sort of violence.
They will find something else soon!

Penfailed

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I feel bad for anyone caught up in the trouble, almost every town had some sort of violence.

Ah c'mon, it wasn't as bad as that.

fasttalkerchat

Penfailed wrote: »

Ah c'mon, it wasn't as bad as that.

A lot of it was nothing. For me it was a few diversions but I saw smashed cars there. 20 towns had some sort of disruption that night and although no one was seriously hurt (except for police and those involved) it would have been distressing for people caught up in the roadblocks etc.

Penfailed

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

There were some hilarious moments but it ruined the Christmas market and the shops took a big hit. I feel bad for anyone caught up in the trouble, almost every town had some sort of violence.
They will find something else soon!

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

A lot of it was nothing. For me it was a few diversions but I saw smashed cars there. 20 towns had some sort of disruption that night and although no one was seriously hurt (except for police and those involved) it would have been distressing for people caught up in the roadblocks etc.

Oh, Okay. "...almost every town..." is only 20...out of about 250. A bit of an exaggeration. http://lookaly.com/towns

fasttalkerchat

Penfailed wrote: »

Oh, Okay. "...almost every town..." is only 20...out of about 250. A bit of an exaggeration. http://lookaly.com/towns

20 towns across 5 of the 6 counties is 4 per county. Most of those in that list are villages outside towns and some don't have a loyalist presence.
You couldn't drive 30 miles without coming across some disturbance.

martinedwards

we have a blue christmas service in our church as a kind of memorial for those folks who's Christmas is blighted by the loss of a loved one which is really accentuated by the coming together that we all do at Christmas.

it really moving and a lot of people come, from our own membership and much further.

of course it was disrupted this year by the protests.

selfish Morons.

Penfailed

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

20 towns across 5 of the 6 counties is 4 per county. Most of those in that list are villages outside towns and some don't have a loyalist presence.
You couldn't drive 30 miles without coming across some disturbance.

Doesn't get away from the fact that you stated that "almost every town had some sort of violence". Sure, there was disturbance in some places from mostly peaceful protests. What I'm disputing is that there wasn't violence in almost every town.

Offy

Penfailed wrote: »

Doesn't get away from the fact that you stated that "almost every town had some sort of violence". Sure, there was disturbance in some places from mostly peaceful protests. What I'm disputing is that there wasn't violence in almost every town.

Why are you nit-picking? What do you hope to achieve from it? What is you goal? Disruption?

fasttalkerchat

Penfailed wrote: »

Doesn't get away from the fact that you stated that "almost every town had some sort of violence". Sure, there was disturbance in some places from mostly peaceful protests. What I'm disputing is that there wasn't violence in almost every town.

Widespread violence and disruption.

muffler

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Widespread violence and disruption.

We all know this was not the case and you are simply trolling now. Warning given.

fasttalkerchat

muffler wrote: »

We all know this was not the case and you are simply trolling now. Warning given.

I really don't get you and the other posters problem with what I have said. If you want I can send you links to articles which mentions dozens of towns being affected in a single night.

Offy

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I really don't get you and the other posters problem with what I have said. If you want I can send you links to articles which mentions dozens of towns being affected in a single night.

Please post the links, I would be interested in reading the articles.

fasttalkerchat

Offy wrote: »

Please post the links, I would be interested in reading the articles.

I'll PM you. Anyone else interested PM me. This thread has taken a turn and I'm unfollowing it.

Penfailed

Offy wrote: »

Why are you nit-picking? What do you hope to achieve from it? What is you goal? Disruption?

He's trying to make it sound worse than it is/was.

mfceiling

Embarrassing really.......i'm from tyrone and i've been asked a few times about the whole "flag" issue.

To be honest i'm glad i live in dublin now - people don't care about your religion, surname, where you went to school - not an issue.

Penfailed

They're still at it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20903960

el tel

Penfailed wrote: »

They're still at it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20903960

I wondered what happend to the much-touted Unionist Forum and also the legal challenge to the removal of the Fleg, both of which were to happen before Christmas? :rolleyes:

martinedwards

they are now planning a protest in Dublin to demand the Tricolour is removed from Dublin city hall.

As a moderate unionist, I'm ashamed and horrified by thier infantile behaviour

the_syco

martinedwards wrote: »

they are now planning a protest in Dublin to demand the Tricolour is removed from Dublin city hall.

Looking at the IRA funeral of Alan Ryan not so long ago in Dublin, I'd wonder what sort of reception they'll get this time around?

Penfailed

el tel wrote: »

I wondered what happend to the much-touted Unionist Forum and also the legal challenge to the removal of the Fleg, both of which were to happen before Christmas? :rolleyes:

A bit later than anticipated but it would appear that the forum has been formed - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20912029#?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

muffler

Got this in an email and thought it was worth of posting

Penfailed

Solution?

Penfailed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pcUIGwU6f4

:pac:

guttenberg

Right now there is a "Sons and Daughters" concert in Derry/Londonderry to mark the start of the UK City of Culture year. Guess who is protesting outside? no not republicans, but a group of loyalists trying to disrupt it. The mind boggles!:mad:

Penfailed

guttenberg wrote: »

Right now there is a "Sons and Daughters" concert in Derry/Londonderry to mark the start of the UK City of Culture year. Guess who is protesting outside? no not republicans, but a group of loyalists trying to disrupt it. The mind boggles!:mad:

Yeah. I'd heard about that. They are also planning a protest at the Bloody Sunday commemorations :eek:

fasttalkerchat

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah. I'd heard about that. They are also planning a protest at the Bloody Sunday commemorations :eek:

They put up parachute regiment flags on a street over-looking a nationalist area... I think in the fountain.
To their credit the residents took them down.

Penfailed

I came across my first fleg protest this evening. It was a white line protest but the traffic was tailed back for quite a bit as everyone had to slow to a crawl to get past them. You have to admire their perseverance but I don't think it's going to gain anything other than get the ball rolling early for trouble over the marching season.

NIMAN

You're right it will not achieve what they want, if anything I think the loyalist community is coming out of it very badly. Everyone is fed up with it now and its only the real hardliners who are keeping it alive, most moderate loyalists' support has faded.

The flag ain't going back up, end of, so the protests are pointless and this has the potential to turn into another Garvaghy Road, with a small number still protesting years after the event, simply because they don't want to be seen to be backing down.