Retired teachers taking up substitution work

Fizzical

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Well that should definitely be clamped down on. I still feel the biggest loophole is principals actively hiring retired teachers.

I too wouldn't be seen for dust if I took retirement.

If those teachers still want to teach, they should have gone on job share rather than retire.

Of course Principals actively hire retired teachers - it's Principals that are in charge of hiring, not the applicants.

And I think I'll be wiping the dust off my feet too when I go out that door!

But, as far as I know, if you job share towards the end of your career then you halve your pension as it's based on your salary over the last 3 years of service. That's some deterrent to job sharing which would be the sensible thing to do when you get older.

Fizzical

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I don't think there's anything ageist in thinking it is ethically wrong to retire and then be rehired by the same employer.

Unethical of the employer, maybe, depending on how the payment is worked out. Not unethical of the person employed however. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Miss Lockhart

Fizzical wrote: »

Unethical of the employer, maybe, depending on how the payment is worked out. Not unethical of the person employed however. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Well, I'm afraid I disagree. I don't think you should be entitled to a pension while you are still employed by the same employer.

ticar79

The particular incident I referred to may not be representative of the whole. The retired teacher I am referring to had been granted early retirement and is now actively seeking subsitution work. This to me smacks of opportunism.

I am certainly not ageist and value the experience older teachers bring to the staffroom and school.

jonseyblub

I remember being at a union meeting and this issue came up. The SEC are keen to have younger teachers taking up the positions but they are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of age. It's in some law or other. However I think that once the education act is enacted in full only people with a teaching council number will be eligible for the jobs. Retired teachers are entitled to renew their TC status but many may not wish to do so and so open up more positions.

maynooth_rules

If a person is claiming a public sector pension then they should NOT be allowed receive another income from the public sector such as from substitute teaching. This is a very easy practice to stop. It seems like a practice that is morally wrong but accepted in Ireland.

Lord TSC

Fizzical wrote: »

Unethical of the employer, maybe, depending on how the payment is worked out. Not unethical of the person employed however. That's the point I'm trying to make.

I'd be along this line of thinking.

I say this as a 25 year old who is left sitting on his ass cause of a lack of jobs; I don't blame the teachers who return to work. Ultimately, they want the best life possible, and I don't know if I was in their position I wouldn't be doing the same. Each person is responsible only to themselves, and we live in a society where people are encouraged to ignore the plight of others in a bid to ensure the highest amount of income is earned. The person is only accountable to the individual self.

I, personally, blame the system which allows this to happen. Jobs are few and far between for young teachers without having to deal with the fact the few there are are going to people who have said "I'm done....PSYCH!". I blame the principals (and other such teachers) who not only allow such practices but actively engage in them. I blame the unions who, as with other problems young teachers face, seem quite happy to just let it happen.

It's a problem that could be easily fixed but those who could fix it don't want to. It's the people who have said "We will take responsibility for the larger group, and ensure the individuals are taken care of equally...PSYCH!". These are the people who shall take the brunt of my annoyance.

Fizzical

Point of info: what does "PSYCH!" mean??

TheDriver

from a management perspective:
a) Retired teachers should be a last resort
b) its actually quite difficult to get subs, you get a litany of excuses down the phone when you look for someone, admittedly at short notice
c) Schools in less attractive areas of the country have lots of trouble getting subs, especially primary in a""ehole of nowhere.
d) certain subjects are impossible to fill for a day or two. Try getting an irish teacher for 2 days subbing...........

If a qualified good teacher is available, great. If not, its our job to fill the subbing hours with someone qualified if possible...

FISMA

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Each person is responsible only to themselves, and we live in a society where people are encouraged to ignore the plight of others in a bid to ensure the highest amount of income is earned. The person is only accountable to the individual self.

Anyone with this attitude should never be allowed to teach/be a role model to young people in primary or secondary school.

Fundamentally, my problem with allowing people on pensions to work again in their old field is that it is as if the government is subsidizing older teachers over younger ones.

Lord TSC

Fizzical wrote: »

Point of info: what does "PSYCH!" mean??

To retract your previous statement, in an attempt to fool the person you're talking/chatting to. Also see sike.

From Urban Dictionary :P

FISMA wrote: »

Anyone with this attitude should never be allowed to teach/be a role model to young people in primary or secondary school.

I should stress, I'm not saying I follow that mantra personally. I'm not that type of guy myself. Just that that is the society and culture we live in. That's capitalism at it's core.

desmurphy

not all teachers have full or even decent pensions. maybe they have children in college etc.