Deer Licence Question

iand220

I have got my permission and I am going sending it off tomorrow but my question is, I have my eye on a .243 and have the serial number there but I already have a 220 swift so...

would it be better to put the swift down as my rifle on the deer license application so I could start shooting straight away once I get the licence or if put down the actual serial number of the .243 I want to get im stuck waiting on a gun licence so by using the swift it cuts out waiting for a gun licence and get straight into shooting?

Ian

Cass

Tricky one that.

You can use either gun when you have both as the 243 is legal, and the swift with the correct round is legal too.

Here is the thing i'm thinking off. If you apply for the 243, and already have a deer license on the swift would the Garda (FO) not hit you with "You already have a deer rifle, and fireamrs license on it so are you getting rid of that one to get this deer rifle?".

You could always say you intend to use the .243 for deer, and the swift for vermin, but i'm wondering if you'll get hem both. A friend 3 years ago was in the same position. He was told to get rid of his swift if he wanted the 243.

Of course you will know better what your FO is like, andif deer hunting is deemed a good enough reason you'll get the license for the .243 and be able to keep the swift. Technically, under the law, you can have ten rifles for deer hunting if you can show good reason (God i hate that term) for each one as the law does not limit the amount of firearm you can have.


Having the swift as your deer rifle to shoot straight away may be a benefit for you, but a problem for the .243. Of course if the .243 falls through the swift is ready to go so it would be your "back up" option.


As said a tricky one that.

I would suggest to try and get the license on the Swift. If you get it you can shoot immediately. Then apply for the .243, and put down deer stalking. If asked you tell the truth. You intend to use the .243 if successful. See what your FO says in terms of keeping the swift, and then work form there. Then if you get the .243 (whether you have to get rid of the swift or not) use it for deer.

beretta391

when i went for it, i was going buying a 270 but didnt make up my mind which type of rifle, so i was told any serial number would do of any 270, so i got one , got my deer license and then i applied for the license of the garda when i bought my new gun and put down the new serial number, got it no problem.

iand220

Ezridax wrote: »

Tricky one that.

You can use either gun when you have both as the 243 is legal, and the swift with the correct round is legal too.

Here is the thing i'm thinking off. If you apply for the 243, and already have a deer license on the swift would the Garda (FO) not hit you with "You already have a deer rifle, and fireamrs license on it so are you getting rid of that one to get this deer rifle?".

You could always say you intend to use the .243 for deer, and the swift for vermin, but i'm wondering if you'll get hem both. A friend 3 years ago was in the same position. He was told to get rid of his swift if he wanted the 243.

Of course you will know better what your FO is like, andif deer hunting is deemed a good enough reason you'll get the license for the .243 and be able to keep the swift. Technically, under the law, you can have ten rifles for deer hunting if you can show good reason (God i hate that term) for each one as the law does not limit the amount of firearm you can have.


Having the swift as your deer rifle to shoot straight away may be a benefit for you, but a problem for the .243. Of course if the .243 falls through the swift is ready to go so it would be your "back up" option.


As said a tricky one that.

I would suggest to try and get the license on the Swift. If you get it you can shoot immediately. Then apply for the .243, and put down deer stalking. If asked you tell the truth. You intend to use the .243 if successful. See what your FO says in terms of keeping the swift, and then work form there. Then if you get the .243 (whether you have to get rid of the swift or not) use it for deer.

See thats exactly what I was thinking lol!

The thing is I want to get rid of the swift for the .243 but to get any fun out of this season i'll never get that with having to wait on gun licence for the .243!

My local station is a small village one so the garda that I apply with is new and doesnt know me that well as all my previous applications were with the old garda there and he didnt give a fiddlers!
But the FO in kilkenny which would be my main station is bang on! I've dealt with her a few times so all im prob going to apply with the swift and see how I get on!

Cass

iand220 wrote: »

The thing is I want to get rid of the swift for the .243...........

That actually makes it much easier. Apply with the Swift for the deer license, then tel the FO that you intend to trade the swift for a more "apt" caliber, and you should have no problem especially if you have the deer license. That would be your good reason. Supply a copy of it with your application for the .243.

But the FO in kilkenny which would be my main station is bang on! I've dealt with her a few times so all im prob going to apply with the swift and see how I get on!

My station is a one man outfit and at the start i used to drop my applications there only for them to sit until he went to main station. Now i just "bypass" the local station, and bring them directly to the main station. If your applications end up in the main station,a nd you are known there i would suggest doing that. Usually the local station is preferred as the Garda usually "signs off" on the applicant before forwarding it. However if the Garda in the main station knows you they can sign off on your application. Will speed things up.

iand220

Ezridax wrote: »

That actually makes it much easier. Apply with the Swift for the deer license, then tel the FO that you intend to trade the swift for a more "apt" caliber, and you should have no problem especially if you have the deer license. That would be your good reason. Supply a copy of it with your application for the .243.


My station is a one man outfit and at the start i used to drop my applications there only for them to sit until he went to main station. Now i just "bypass" the local station, and bring them directly to the main station. If your applications end up in the main station,a nd you are known there i would suggest doing that. Usually the local station is preferred as the Garda usually "signs off" on the applicant before forwarding it. However if the Garda in the main station knows you they can sign off on your application. Will speed things up.

Its been about 4years since I've dealt with her but I caused so much hardship for her with a .223 application and meeting the super id say she would remember me lol!:D

That really sounds like a plan! posting that off in the morning so:D

Cass

Good luck. Let us know how you get on.

TriggerPL

Ezridax wrote: »

Good luck. Let us know how you get on.

I'd applie for it on the 243 guard isn't going to know if the swift is a deer cal , and you can play the dumb card about wanting the swift for vermin .

Even tho the swift is a deer cal you can't change from it to a swift on a sub ! You have to apply for a new licence and pay your 80 euro . It's a gimmick

meathstevie

If I were you I'd go for a substitution once your deer licence arrives. You would be swapping an unrestricted rifle for another one and this should not be too much bother once you talk it through with the FO.

iand220

meathstevie wrote: »

If I were you I'd go for a substitution once your deer licence arrives. You would be swapping an unrestricted rifle for another one and this should not be too much bother once you talk it through with the FO.

I rang the FO this morning she said she has never seen a swift for a deer licence but if it meets the requirements why not apply and get whatever shooting I can out of the season!

the licence for a 243 will take some time as the super wants to meet all applicants but that doesn't bother me and she has no problem switching over to the 243 once I get the licence for it

4200fps

Another thing if you want to use the 243 this season for the deer shooting you can't transfer your licence of the swift to the 243. Its a new application.
You've to pay the 80 euro again. I've being in this situation as my last rifle was a swift and I changed to a 243 and a new application takes longer than a transfer. Hope this info may be of help. I'd stick with swift for now just incase then change over after season

iand220

4200fps wrote: »

Another thing if you want to use the 243 this season for the deer shooting you can't transfer your licence of the swift to the 243. Its a new application.
You've to pay the 80 euro again. I've being in this situation as my last rifle was a swift and I changed to a 243 and a new application takes longer than a transfer. Hope this info may be of help. I'd stick with swift for now just incase then change over after season

Oh i have no intention of using the .243 this season because id never get the license back quick enough

I know the .243 is a complete new application but my license on the swift is up in July so I got most of the 3 years out of it!

We'll hopefully have hard evidence of how the swift performs on deer in a few weeks time!

meathstevie

4200fps wrote: »

Another thing if you want to use the 243 this season for the deer shooting you can't transfer your licence of the swift to the 243. Its a new application.
You've to pay the 80 euro again. I've being in this situation as my last rifle was a swift and I changed to a 243 and a new application takes longer than a transfer. Hope this info may be of help. I'd stick with swift for now just incase then change over after season

I'm afraid that's not quite right. I've personally substituted centerfire rifles of different calibers and capabilities. When you're exchanging a .220 swift for a .243 all you're doing is substituting one unrestricted rifle for another ( assuming that it's not a semi-auto ).

TriggerPL

meathstevie wrote: »

I'm afraid that's not quite right. I've personally substituted centerfire rifles of different calibers and capabilities. When you're exchanging a .220 swift for a .243 all you're doing is substituting one unrestricted rifle for another ( assuming that it's not a semi-auto ).

I've personally seen a new application made because they wouldn allow a sub from a swift to a 243 , and 4200fpshad the same problem , and the reason given was because you were moving up to a deer cal

Cass

It depends on your district. I have changed both up and down in calibers within reason. Only once was i told would need a new application, but i was chancing my arm tbh.

Try a sub. If they won;t allow it then apply for a new license.

iand220

TriggerPL wrote: »

I've personally seen a new application made because they wouldn allow a sub from a swift to a 243 , and 4200fpshad the same problem , and the reason given was because you were moving up to a deer cal

The fo said there wouldn't be an issue changing from the swift to the 243 if they grant me the deer licence on the swift as it would be classed in her eyes as a deer Cal? It would be a straight forward sub which would be epic!

But just have to wait and see!