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Garda wiped driving slate for two judges and RTE presenter

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    #362
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    kerry4sam wrote: »
    From this article, I find the following to be suspect:
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    The two whistleblowers who reported their claims to the authorities have been formally censured by the Garda Commissioner and are barred from using the Garda Pulse system.

    Jeez, what is next for these members?! I find this damaging for An Garda Síochána and can't help but wonder what the next revelation will be and that this is just the tip of the ice-berg.

    It's obvious they would be barred from using pulse considering what they were doing in the first place. Id say they could be dismissed for using the information in this way, there is a confidentially clause that they would have signed.


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    #363
    Bichon Lover
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Bichon Lover


    HondaSami wrote: »
    kerry4sam wrote: »
    From this article, I find the following to be suspect:

    It's obvious they would be barred from using pulse considering what they were doing in the first place. Id say they could be dismissed for using the information in this way, there is a confidentially clause that they would have signed.



    So they should ignore wrongdoing when they see it? I thought that is why we have a police force.

    Have you heard of Detective Kevin Keys? If not, check him out before you talk about honest officers being dismissed.


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    #364
    HondaSami
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    Bichon Lover wrote: »



    So they should ignore wrongdoing when they see it? I thought that is why we have a police force.

    Have you heard of Detective Kevin Keys? If not, check him out before you talk about honest officers being dismissed.

    I never said they should ignore wrongdoing but they were using information on pulse for the wrong reasons, its not what pulse is for and should not be used in this way.


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    #365
    eyeroad yearowl one
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    Data Protection Act primarily.

    So it's ok to break the rules and the law if it's for the greater good or for something you believe to be right? I'm sure you see the problem in adopting a postion like that while judging Gardaí for using their discretion to decide wether to let people off.

    Number 1. Would the same Data Protection Act cover this case? http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-quizzed-about-sargent-is-released-2104714.html
    What is your opinion of what should have happened to that particular guard?

    Number 2. Garda "discretion to decide wether(sic) to let people off". Get out of that. Guards are servants of the people but not judge, jury and executioner. Their job is to enforce the law, not to decide who should be allowed to act outside it with impunity. Would you be a guard by any chance? Because a lot of them have notions about their own powers. Plenty of them are little more than glorified traffic wardens. Possibly harsh, but close to the truth.


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    #366
    eyeroad yearowl one
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭eyeroad yearowl one


    Following on from my previous post, I had a quick search. You seem to have changed your tune a bit since Trevor's case

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70478934&postcount=133
    MagicSean wrote:
    It's reformable but the reform has to come from the very top and most likely will need legislative change for some areas. That's not to say there can't be minor changes in practices and budgets can't be made at lower levels but any major overhaul can only come from the department of justice.

    The GRA may be similar to a union but all they can really do is give opinions. They don't have the power of unions and often get excluded from any talks. The blue flu may have been industrial action but it is now a criminal offence to do something similar. I'm sorry you haven't been updated on the status of the Trevor sergeant affair but that hardly means nothing has been done. Surely that's between Trevor and the gardai and none of your business. Do you actually believe that was a conspiracy organised at the top level or are you just spouting random examples of bad gardai?


    Then again, I suppose that there is a completely different legal basis :-) . I mean in this case the "leaker" was damaging one of their own. An insider. one to whom the rules don't apply. In Trevor's case though, there were only Guards on one side of the equation. In this case, the leaker could be sacrificed as it saved more of the insiders.


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    #367
    Going Forward
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Without wanting to read the entire thread, was the RTE presenter ever named?

    Check out Page 3


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    #368
    suicide_circus
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    Some people just aren't happy unless they hear what they want to. I'm sorry this isn't some major scandal for you to dig your teeth into.
    gardai choosing not to apply the rules to their nearest, dearest etc yeah seems perfectly fair and legit, nothing to see here- Irish gombeenism at it's finest.


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    Going Forward
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    kerry4sam wrote: »
    From this article, I find the following to be suspect:



    Jeez, what is next for these members?! I find this damaging for An Garda Síochána and can't help but wonder what the next revelation will be and that this is just the tip of vthe ice-berg.

    It all comes down to the begrudgingly accepted fact that no member of a Garda's family or his/her playmates will ever be done for for a relatively minor legal misdeamour.

    Unlike the rest of the non-connected Joe Soaps.


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    #370
    EoghanIRL
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    Going Forward wrote: »

    It all comes down to the begrudgingly accepted fact that no member of a Garda's family or his/her playmates will ever be done for for a relatively minor legal misdeamour.
    I couldn't agree more , a person I know was in a crash several years ago . The guards were called and the guards on duty was a good friend of the other driver . It was taken to court because the guard was completely bias.


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    #371
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    kneemos wrote: »
    Never heard of much or any corruption in the Gardi.
    Really, try googling "Gardai Donegal" or look at the Iaan Baily case!


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    #372
    Boombastic
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Really, try googling "Gardai Donegal" or look at the Iaan Baily case!

    & Kieran Boylan


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    #373
    mattser
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Really, try googling "Gardai Donegal" or look at the Iaan Baily case!

    Is that a Welsh lighthouse ? :rolleyes:


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    #374
    Fulton Crown
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    I was absolutely incensed when I read this.

    Will be interesting to see what happens here.....will the golden circle crowd close ranks and come out with something like

    "After a thorough investigation there was not enough evidence To discipline/convict anyone".

    "I am satisfied , however that measures are now in place to ensure that sufficient controls and protocols are now in place to ensure that these alleged wrongdoings can never happen again".

    Blah, blah ,freekin blah !

    And I see that bleedin heart Micheal Martin has aspirations of leading FF back into Government !

    Could we ever be that stupid..........whisper.....yes I'm afraid so......:mad:


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    #375
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Policeman fined for helping colleagues avoid fine
    A Wodonga policeman who admitted giving a colleague advice on how to get out of a speeding fine, has escaped a conviction but received a $3000 fine.

    In sentencing Senior Constable Owen Clarke in the Melbourne Magistrates Court this afternoon, magistrate Charlie Rozencwajg said it "still staggers imagination that somebody would risk so much for a month off the road".

    Clarke was working with the Wodonga highway patrol unit when he received a call from colleague Ben Hamilton in July 2011 regarding a speeding fine Hamilton had received while driving home from a firearms training course at Benalla with another officer, Mark Deegan.

    Hamilton had been detected travelling at 134 km/h in a 110 km/h zone.

    He called Clarke and told him he was facing a $244 fine and a one-month licence suspension, but Clarke suggested he make up a story that he and Deegan were chasing a disqualified driver at the time.

    The phone call was being recorded.

    "Risk so much" -- that's the risk of the offence being detected and of the law being rigorously enforced, presumably. :rolleyes:

    On the other hand:

    Traffic fines racketeers walk free
    Two men involved in a $46,000 traffic fines racket have avoided conviction after a judge decided they deserved a second chance.

    Braedon Archibald, 24, and Scott McMahon, 30, both of North Coburg, were involved in cheating the system of more than $46,000 in traffic fines over four years to December 2010.

    They arranged to have false documents in fictitious names sent into the Traffic Camera Office declaring they were the drivers who had been speeding, not the original drivers.

    The racket resulted in the fines imposed on the original drivers being withdrawn.

    Archibald and McMahon were arrested as part of Victoria Police's Nordic Taskforce investigations into people trying to avoid paying speeding fines between 2008 and 2010.


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    #376
    Bichon Lover
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    I never said they should ignore wrongdoing but they were using information on pulse for the wrong reasons, its not what pulse is for and should not be used in this way.

    "An Garda Síochána is legally entitled to obtain and process personal data, without the consent of the data subject in circumstances where personal data is obtained or kept for the purposes of preventing, detecting, or investigating offences, or apprehending or prosecuting offenders, where the seeking of such consent would be likely to prejudice these purpose"

    I think that covers them!


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    #377
    Fulton Crown
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭Fulton Crown


    Look pal ...if I get caught speeding I expect to get a fine and to have to suck it up and cough up..OK ?

    Why should..for example an RTE Presenter or a freekin Judge be any different...this is a bell weather one for me ..if this one is fudged or swep under the carpet it will prove that all politicians is basically the same.

    Greasy corrupt roaches...gorging on the carcase of John Q taxpayer......


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    #378
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,679 ✭✭✭Worztron


    A double standard if ever there was one.

    I know of these getting the dual law special treatment:
    Mary Devins (district court judge)
    Paul Williams (crime writer)
    Ronan O’Gara
    ...

    Who else were named?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #379
    jasonmcco
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    Worztron wrote: »
    A double standard if ever there was one.

    I know of these getting the dual law special treatment:
    Mary Devins (district court judge)
    Paul Williams (crime writer)
    Ronan O’Gara
    ...

    Who else were named?

    Investigate and only list those who have had points/fines squashed unfairly.


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    #380
    elgriff
    Registered Users Posts: 462 ✭✭elgriff


    Fulton Crown wrote: »
    Look pal ...if I get caught speeding I expect to get a fine and to have to suck it up and cough up..OK ?

    Why should..for example an RTE Presenter or a freekin Judge be any different...this is a bell weather one for me ..if this one is fudged or swep under the carpet it will prove that all politicians is basically the same.

    Greasy corrupt roaches...gorging on the carcase of John Q taxpayer......

    What would you do if your next door neighbour was a Garda and he said he would make it disappear?


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    #381
    R P McMurphy
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    elgriff wrote: »

    What would you do if your next door neighbour was a Garda and he said he would make it disappear?
    Doubt I would bother for a speeding fine. You get a favour and are generally expected to return it at some stage.


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    #382
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,682 ✭✭✭flutered


    Ghandee wrote: »
    It starts with penalty points,

    Next thing they're hiding guns and flushing a kilo of coke down the jacks for a drug dealer:pac::pac:
    i am on a lot of med at the mo, but i seem to remember sometthing about drugs going missing from the custody of ags in the past.


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    #383
    JamesBond2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    Sorry i just want to rant I got a fine for parking outside a garda station,while i was inside it doing business....tells how low they are


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    #384
    Death and Taxes
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    JamesBond2010 wrote: »
    Sorry i just want to rant I got a fine for parking outside a garda station,while i was inside it doing business....tells how low they are

    If you were parked illegally then they were right to ticket you.


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    #385
    mattser
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    Should have used your parachute :)


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    #386
    JamesBond2010
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    Basically Paying to Report a crime that will never be investigated what a joke!!


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    #387
    Death and Taxes
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    JamesBond2010 wrote: »
    Basically Paying to Report a crime that will never be investigated what a joke!!

    No, basically paying for commiting a crime, ie. illegal parking, serves you right.


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    #388
    JamesBond2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    another know it all not going to bother ans


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    #389
    Sully
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    JamesBond2010 wrote: »
    another know it all not going to bother ans

    He has a point. If your parked illegally, they will give you a ticket. They probably didn't know where you were. You have the right to appeal if you wish anyway.


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    #390
    Death and Taxes
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    JamesBond2010 wrote: »
    another know it all not going to bother ans

    So you answered to say you wern't answering:D
    You parked illegally and got a ticket, pay up and move on:)


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    #391
    JamesBond2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    i know what u are saying but i was not in the way (blocking or any other wise) parked behind another car. I was inside the door of the station waiting for the Guard to do my business.If the guard had just came in the door or looked in the door from the footpath he would have seen me...


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