Crew cab tax question.

Dony

Hi there just a quick question.
Is it true that you need proof of having employees when it comes to taxing a crew cab? Eg hilux, l200, or navara etc.
Ta.

MidlandsM

no........(not at the full rate)

Dony

MidlandsM wrote: »

no........(not at the full rate)

Thanks but I mean commercial tax.

navara man

Dony wrote: »

Hi there just a quick question.
Is it true that you need proof of having employees when it comes to taxing a crew cab? Eg hilux, l200, or navara etc.
Ta.

yes. but some tax office don t look for proof of have 3 employees and some do.which tax office will you be taxing if in ?

aaakev

navara man wrote: »

yes. but some tax office don t look for proof of have 3 employees and some do.which tax office will you be taxing if in ?

Lads no tax office can ask of proof of any employees in order to tax a commercial because you dont have to have any employees to have a vat number, if you dont have a vat number put down your pps number and whatever your work is on the goods only declaration and get it stamped by the guards. This only has to be done the first time you tax a new (to you) commercial vehicle

navara man

aaakev wrote: »

Lads no tax office can ask of proof of any employees in order to tax a commercial because you dont have to have any employees to have a vat number, if you dont have a vat number put down your pps number and whatever your work is on the goods only declaration and get it stamped by the guards. This only has to be done the first time you tax a new (to you) commercial vehicle

yes did will if it a crewcab in some tax office

Dony

navara man wrote: »

yes. but some tax office don t look for proof of have 3 employees and some do.which tax office will you be taxing if in ?

It'll be Drogheda.
I have commercial discovery but from time to time I've one of two lads with me so a seat in the back would handy.
Someone mentioned to me that I need proof of full time employees so didn't know what to think.

navara man

Dony wrote: »

It'll be Drogheda.
I have commercial discovery but from time to time I've one of two lads with me so a seat in the back would handy.
Someone mentioned to me that I need proof of full time employees so didn't know what to think.

in drogheda it look like will need to fill out crew cab declaration from which need 3 pps number of you paid workers to tax it as "goods vehicle" . ie navara

navara man

Dony wrote: »

It'll be Drogheda.
I have commercial discovery but from time to time I've one of two lads with me so a seat in the back would handy.
Someone mentioned to me that I need proof of full time employees so didn't know what to think.

you should give the drogheda tax office a call just to be sure

elainerut

anyone know the story with mn tax office... lookin to get one of these (navara)

Just a Plinker

I taxed my L200 crewcab for the first time in August 2011 I had a heap of paperwork and proof from the inland revenue that I was self employed But never needed or was asked for proof of having employees

What I needed was
DOE cert
Crewcab decloration
Proof of having my own company (Tax cert)
I think that was it, I have been taxing in on line ever since, Hope this helps

Dony wrote: »

Hi there just a quick question.
Is it true that you need proof of having employees when it comes to taxing a crew cab? Eg hilux, l200, or navara etc.
Ta.

Bactidiaryl

Just a Plinker wrote: »

I taxed my L200 crewcab for the first time in August 2011 I had a heap of paperwork and proof from the inland revenue that I was self employed But never needed or was asked for proof of having employees

What I needed was
DOE cert
Crewcab decloration
Proof of having my own company (Tax cert)
I think that was it, I have been taxing in on line ever since, Hope this helps

Can you tax commercial now online.

Top Dog

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Can you tax commercial now online.

Yes, in the same terms as a private car (need valid test and up to 28? days into the month after before the pin becomes invalid).

fusilverfish

If you've any live stock you can apply for a herd number. I think even if you have a few chickens you qualify.

As another poster said get a goods vehicle declaration form and put down your pps number and get it signed by the gardai you should be right.

Just a Plinker

Once I had taxed it for the first time in The tax office, Every other renewal came with a pin to do it on line I also forgot to mention I need my comercial insurance cert

Hope This helps

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Can you tax commercial now online.

Bactidiaryl

I never get a pin with my renewals for 4x4 commercial. Pain in the arse queuing at tax office. Must check it out.

hi5

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

I never get a pin with my renewals for 4x4 commercial. Pain in the arse queuing at tax office. Must check it out.

Neither do I, it's because I pay anually and the DOE expires a few days before the tax is due.

doctorchopper

I think you need to have at least a month of doe remaining before tax renewal date.

Ravenelli

I'm thinking of buying a second hand 08 2.4 Hilux Crewcab and have a couple of questions! Does the fact that its already taxed as a commerical mean it will stay in that category or does it automatically change to private until proven otherwise. I also do not own a company. I had a single cab hilux and just had to get a letter from my boss at the time (on company letter head), signed form from the Garda with just my pps number on the form? Is this a once off or do you have to declare every couple of years? Can't afford to be wrong so any advice appreciated.

Herd license sound like a good idea - how do you get one of those?

navara man

Ravenelli wrote: »

I'm thinking of buying a second hand 08 2.4 Hilux Crewcab and have a couple of questions! Does the fact that its already taxed as a commerical mean it will stay in that category or does it automatically change to private until proven otherwise. I also do not own a company. I had a single cab hilux and just had to get a letter from my boss at the time (on company letter head), signed form from the Garda with just my pps number on the form? Is this a once off or do you have to declare every couple of years? Can't afford to be wrong so any advice appreciated.

Herd license sound like a good idea - how do you get one of those?

some tax office you will need to fill out " crewcab declare form" which will need 3 pps number of your paid work . if you need to fill out that form it will be impossible tax it as " good vehicle" if you don t have any worker...

navara man

best thing would be call the tax office a see what they say

MidlandsM

yeah, ring them, different counties have different policies, which is a mess.

Juniorhurler

Ravenelli wrote: »

I'm thinking of buying a second hand 08 2.4 Hilux Crewcab and have a couple of questions! Does the fact that its already taxed as a commerical mean it will stay in that category or does it automatically change to private until proven otherwise. I also do not own a company. I had a single cab hilux and just had to get a letter from my boss at the time (on company letter head), signed form from the Garda with just my pps number on the form? Is this a once off or do you have to declare every couple of years? Can't afford to be wrong so any advice appreciated.

Herd license sound like a good idea - how do you get one of those?

If you are calling it a herd licence, forget about it. You need to have land, cattle and handling facilities for them. Private tax would be way cheaper.

MidlandsM

ahhh feck, so the bloke down the pub is wrong then, saying all you needed was a few chickens out the back of the house to get a herd number........lol

crazy chester

Just wobdering if its the same for the bigger crewcabs, lwb transits etc?
Also anyone know if Laois/Kildare tax offices ask for the crew cab declaration??

crazy chester

*wondering

MidlandsM

crazy chester wrote: »

Just wobdering if its the same for the bigger crewcabs, lwb transits etc?
Also anyone know if Laois/Kildare tax offices ask for the crew cab declaration??

yes, they will.

IConLive

Is that just the declaration or the 3 employees pps numbers?

kingfisher01

Hi im thinking of purchasing a navara does anyone no if drogheda tax office look for proof of business and the 3 pps numbers as ive always had a van and use to put my own pps number down to cover me with getting it stamped in the station thanks

Ratsathome

Dony wrote: »

It'll be Drogheda.
I have commercial discovery but from time to time I've one of two lads with me so a seat in the back would handy.
Someone mentioned to me that I need proof of full time employees so didn't know what to think.

kingfisher01 wrote: »

Hi im thinking of purchasing a navara does anyone no if drogheda tax office look for proof of business and the 3 pps numbers as ive always had a van and use to put my own pps number down to cover me with getting it stamped in the station thanks

Hi guys any update on this?

elreberendo

I have searched on the forums but still can't get an answer about this.

I have seen many crew cab jeeps with low tax for sale on Donedeal, however, how does this affect to the insurance? I mean, I don't own a company and I would use the car for private purposes and drive it with my wife and son.

It sounds like my insurer (AXA) would not cover in case of claim, etc... but on the other hand I think is mad to pay €1.294 a year for the tax.

Any advise or first hand testimony would be welcome!
Thanks a mill.

doctorchopper

my insurance (liberty) covers me for social and commercial use which i think most insurance polices do and that is on a crewcab (navara) as well as a 2 seater pajero

elreberendo

doctorchopper wrote: »

my insurance (liberty) covers me for social and commercial use which i think most insurance polices do and that is on a crewcab (navara) as well as a 2 seater pajero

Thanks a million for your quick reply, really appreciate it mate!

Wow that's brilliant! Fair play to Liberty, I'll check with AXA but afaik there is a checkbox on the renewal policy for choosing either commercial or private use (perhaps it's a matter of ticking BOTH! ).

I understand both of your cars are 2 seater (no 2nd row of seats) but the cars I see on donedeal are 5 seater (even 7 seater!), would this affect on next doe? (comm test instead of nct). Obviously I don't own a company nor have 3 employees as required.

Sorry for all the questions, just want to ensure that I'm not going to waste thousands of euros or in the future have any test or insurance issues.

Thanks a lot.

doctorchopper

elreberendo wrote: »

Thanks a million for your quick reply, really appreciate it mate!

Wow that's brilliant! Fair play to Liberty, I'll check with AXA but afaik there is a checkbox on the renewal policy for choosing either commercial or private use (perhaps it's a matter of ticking BOTH! ).

I understand both of your cars are 2 seater (no 2nd row of seats) but the cars I see on donedeal are 5 seater (even 7 seater!), would this affect on next doe? (comm test instead of nct). Obviously I don't own a company nor have 3 employees as required.

Sorry for all the questions, just want to ensure that I'm not going to waste thousands of euros or in the future have any test or insurance issues.

Thanks a lot.

My navara is 5 seats, 2 in the front and 3 in the back, pretty sure the jeep 5 seaters won't effect the doe as it is all legit now to have 5 seat commercial jeeps if they meet the load carrying volumetric requirements

elreberendo

I see, so once a vehicle has gained the commercial category & tax it keeps it for the future and regardless of number of seats, seatbelts, etc...

I'm looking at crew cab BMW X5, Land Rover Discovery 3 TDV6, Range Rover Vogue/Sport, Nissan Pathfinder. My head tells me anything but the LR/RR, however my heart tells me otherwise.

At least I'm happy to see that I won't pay mad tax every year, otherwise I wouldn't buy any of them.

Thanks again doctorchopper!

Theanswers

Land Rover, the rest are toys in comparison.

Even when towing!

elreberendo

Thanks for your replies again lads!

I'd love the Range Rover 2005 Vogue or HSE 3.0 diesel, I've read that is more roomy than the RR Sport and the BMW engine is more reliable, fingers crossed! I have a few on the wishlist so will see them very soon.

I've just sent an enquiry to AXA explaining the change in my policy to see if I can have a private/social policy kind on a commercial/crew cab vehicle, just double checking before doing anything, I'll post their reply asap.

Cheers.

Theanswers

The TD6 RR is certaintly more reliable engine wise than the Disco/ Sport (TDV6).

Some say it's underpowered, but no more so than the landcruiser or comparable machines - however much more comfortable and capable.

I would certainly go for the Vogue over the HSE if you could, more comfortable seats, better stereo, Heated Windscreen, Sunroof, more leather. Just a much nicer place to be.

If you need any advice, just message me and I'll give you my number. I have a good understanding of them.

elreberendo

Theanswers wrote: »

The TD6 RR is certaintly more reliable engine wise than the Disco/ Sport (TDV6).

Some say it's underpowered, but no more so than the landcruiser or comparable machines - however much more comfortable and capable.

I would certainly go for the Vogue over the HSE if you could, more comfortable seats, better stereo, Heated Windscreen, Sunroof, more leather. Just a much nicer place to be.

If you need any advice, just message me and I'll give you my number. I have a good understanding of them.

Wow that would be great!! I'll send you a PM as soon as my insurer comes back to me with the Crew Cab/Business or Particular policy question, so we can know exactly what type of RR are suitable (or even check with Liberty as Doctorchopper said before in this thread!).

Just hope the Gards are ok if they caught me driving with a business tax disc for carry goods in a jeep with my family instead

aaakev

elreberendo wrote: »

Just hope the Gards are ok if they caught me driving with a business tax disc for carry goods in a jeep with my family instead

Iv never had any trouble in that regard, been through loads checkpoints with the family with me and it's never been mentioned

Buona Fortuna

elreberendo wrote: »

Just hope the Gards are ok if they caught me driving with a business tax disc for carry goods in a jeep with my family instead

I've never been stopped at any checkpoint for that in more than 7 years.

If I had, I'd just keep a bag of feed, or wire or fence posts in the back.

What I have seen though is Gards waiting outside schools and going to chat to all the lads in jeeps and vans, dropping off their kids.

adr_sullivan

Ratsathome wrote: »

Hi guys any update on this?

did you every get an answer about the Drogheda tax office...

elreberendo

aaakev wrote: »

Iv never had any trouble in that regard, been through loads checkpoints with the family with me and it's never been mentioned

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

I've never been stopped at any checkpoint for that in more than 7 years.

Thanks lads, that makes me feel better. Honestly, I don't want to be an outlaw
Still awaiting confirmation from AXA, hope they're happy to insure myself & my family in a Crew Cab vehicle. Can't wait to get their answer!

Cheers.

Alan b.

Just a question I didn't notice answered in the thread. If a vehicle is currently taxed privately. But I want to tax it as a crew cab commercial. What is the process?
Trying to sift through info and with regulation changes it's not easy.
The vehicle in question would be a pajero sport lwb 5 seater.

From what I can tell it can be done. And even seen a commercial vehicle dealer offering one for sale with or without crew cab conversion. Which to me looks the same as standard.

But I want to know is how I would do it to my own oone.some talk of fitting a partition between the load and passenger areas being or not being needed wasn't conclusive. Some saying a mesh screen is enough. Others saying that's not even needed, only load securing devices. Straps etc. Anyone shed light?

Buona Fortuna

I did it 6 or 7 years ago. I think the problem is not so much the law has changed but that individual tax offices view them differently.

Anyway such as it is, here's what I did.

• Got a Gard to sign the commercial use only declaration.
• Back to the tax office
• Lots of humming and hawing by tax office.
• Talk of removing rear seats by tax office.
• Finally an inspection by superviser in tax office
• Completely pointless weighbridge certificate.
• DOE
• Tax

At the end of it you feel like you really should be given some sort of trophy or certificate.

All the best. DLTBGYD

Alan b.

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

I did it 6 or 7 years ago. I think the problem is not so much the law has changed but that individual tax offices view them differently.

Anyway such as it is, here's what I did.

• Got a Gard to sign the commercial use only declaration.
• Back to the tax office
• Lots of humming and hawing by tax office.
• Talk of removing rear seats by tax office.
• Finally an inspection by superviser in tax office
• Completely pointless weighbridge certificate.
• DOE
• Tax

At the end of it you feel like you really should be given some sort of trophy or certificate.

All the best. DLTBGYD

So no need to provide staff details or vat no. Or anything?

Buona Fortuna

Alan b. wrote: »

So no need to provide staff details or vat no. Or anything?

Not for me no, but whenever I go to the tax office (annually because I never get a feckin PIN) and wait, and wait, there are notices up saying that commercial taxers must provide a Revenue tax assessment showing their commercial tax reference.

The whole thing is an expensive minefield. I'd like to see the whole thing simplified and given to post offices to do, like in UK. Taking the day to go and get car tax is ridiculous and I'd just love to see those tax offices done away with.

pete.23

adr_sullivan wrote: »

did you every get an answer about the Drogheda tax office...

They're not a problem. taxed my Crewcab there after conversion from M1 to N1. I am a sole trader and there were no questions about employees. I don't think this is even enforceable anyway; why should you rip the seats out your goods vehicle just because you don't have employees??

Dundalk office seem to take a pleasure in making this awkward tho so I'd avoid them

pete.23

elreberendo wrote: »

I have searched on the forums but still can't get an answer about this.

I have seen many crew cab jeeps with low tax for sale on Donedeal, however, how does this affect to the insurance? I mean, I don't own a company and I would use the car for private purposes and drive it with my wife and son.

It sounds like my insurer (AXA) would not cover in case of claim, etc... but on the other hand I think is mad to pay €1.294 a year for the tax.

Any advise or first hand testimony would be welcome!
Thanks a mill.

AXA will still cover you. Best thing is to explain that it's only a change for taxation purposes (ie no physical changes to bodywork). The don't expect you to have a commercial policy unless you have removed seats and made physical mods.

Similarly, Drogheda tax office accept a private policy, provided business use is on it.

pete.23

elreberendo wrote: »

I have searched on the forums but still can't get an answer about this.

I have seen many crew cab jeeps with low tax for sale on Donedeal, however, how does this affect to the insurance? I mean, I don't own a company and I would use the car for private purposes and drive it with my wife and son.

It sounds like my insurer (AXA) would not cover in case of claim, etc... but on the other hand I think is mad to pay €1.294 a year for the tax.

Any advise or first hand testimony would be welcome!
Thanks a mill.

AXA will still cover you. Best thing is to explain that it's only a change for taxation purposes (ie no physical changes to bodywork). The don't expect you to have a commercial policy unless you have removed seats and made physical mods.

Similarly, Drogheda tax office accept a private policy, provided business use is on it.

pete.23

adr_sullivan wrote: »

did you every get an answer about the Drogheda tax office...

They're not a problem. taxed my Crewcab there after conversion from M1 to N1. I am a sole trader and there were no questions about employees. I don't think this is even enforceable anyway; why should you rip your goods vehicle just because you don't have employees??

Dundalk office seem to take a pleasure in making this awkward tho so I'd avoid them