Dia Duit: Any alternative

Rory McNicholas

It occured to me one day in an Irish class (I'm in TY / 4th Year) that seeing 'Dia Duit' translates into 'God be with you', that there might be a more appropriate phrase that an atheist could use to greet people in Irish? Something better than Eolaíocht Duit!

Busi_Girl08

Rory McNicholas wrote: »

It occured to me one day in an Irish class (I'm in TY / 4th Year) that seeing 'Dia Duit' translates into 'God be with you', that there might be a more appropriate phrase that an atheist could use to greet people in Irish? Something better than Eolaíocht Duit!

Maybe something along the lines of "Beannachti duit" (greetings to you)

Although better translated, spelled properly, and not crap :pac:

GLaDOS

Some suggestions here

Zombrex

Rory McNicholas wrote: »

It occured to me one day in an Irish class (I'm in TY / 4th Year) that seeing 'Dia Duit' translates into 'God be with you', that there might be a more appropriate phrase that an atheist could use to greet people in Irish? Something better than Eolaíocht Duit!

Try "Hello" .... <starts long rant about Irish being a dead language that is practiced as little more than a hobby by anyone outside the gaeltacht> :P

mickgotsick

Aaaaallllllrrrrriigh buds, conas the f*ckin ta tu?

The Mad Hatter

Do bear in mind that "'bye" is short for "goodbye," which is in turn short for "god be with you" (via "god b'w'ye"). Sometimes words move away from their connotations.

Galvasean

Zombrex wrote: »

Try "Hello" .... <starts long rant about Irish being a dead language that is practiced as little more than a hobby by anyone outside the gaeltacht> :P

Archaic language... archaic notion of God. I like it!

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Do bear in mind that "'bye" is short for "goodbye," which is in turn short for "god be with you" (via "god b'w'ye"). Sometimes words move away from their connotations.

Like how nobody really cares that Thursday is "Thor's day".

JuliusCaesar

La maith/ maidin maith

or


Cen sceal?

(can't do fadas)

im invisible

'ard' no 'tobair'

mackerski

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Maybe something along the lines of "Beannachti duit" (greetings to you)

Although better translated, spelled properly, and not crap :pac:

The problem is that "beannacht" doesn't mean "greeting". It means "blessing". Aer Lingus is forever getting on my wick by bestowing the blessings of God on me, for which I pay them.

yeppydeppy

I'm assuming that before the days of the catholic chruch there must have been a greeting in Irish other than dia duit? Or maybe it has always been dia duit but back in the day it was a different dia they were refering to? (please excuse the use of the term back in the day)

mackerski

yeppydeppy wrote: »

I'm assuming that before the days of the catholic chruch there must have been a greeting in Irish other than dia duit? Or maybe it has always been dia duit but back in the day it was a different dia they were refering to? (please excuse the use of the term back in the day)

One suspects that the vertically integrated set of national values post independence (that included both the Irish language and the catholic church) ended up strongly favouring the more religious greetings that found their way into all of our schoolbooks.

Obliq

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

La maith/ maidin maith

or


Cen sceal?

(can't do fadas)

ctrl + alt + vowel

Hold them all down together. If that doesn't work, you may have to change the language of your computer to IR

Although sometimes it's easier to say you can't do fadas than to get them over the right vowels!

_GOD_

Go raibh grainneóg a chead chac eile agat.

May your next ****e be a hedgehog

Gumbi

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

La maith/ maidin maith

or


Cen sceal?

(can't do fadas)

maidin mhaith

GCU Flexible Demeanour

I find "May your haemeroids shrink without surgery" works in any language.

Gumbi

_GOD_ wrote: »

Go raibh grainneóg a chead chac eile agat.

May your next ****e be a hedgehog

Go raibh gráinneog mar an gcéad chac eile agat

makes a bit more sense Yours is pretty garbled.

Zillah

Gumbi wrote: »

Go raibh gráinneog mar an gcéad chac eile agat

makes a bit more sense Yours is pretty garbled.

Phew, good thing you cleared it up, we wouldn't want them confused or anything.

Sarky

Focail suas?

Gumbi

Zillah wrote: »

Phew, good thing you cleared it up, we wouldn't want them confused or anything.

Yep.

Daftendirekt

Sarky wrote: »

Focail suas?

Focail suas, Madra Baile.

swampgas

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Gumbi wrote: »

maidin mhaith

Gumbi wrote: »

Go raibh gráinneog mar an gcéad chac eile agat

makes a bit more sense Yours is pretty garbled.

This. This is what I hated most about learning Irish - you could never be sure that you'd got it right. There was always the chance that an urú or seibhiú or tuiseal something-or-other was involved. And I was pretty good at it. Anyhow, I am proud to speak the language of my forefathers: English :-)

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Davidius

Go raibh leanaí bhlasta agat.

Gumbi

swampgas wrote: »

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This. This is what I hated most about learning Irish - you could never be sure that you'd got it right. There was always the chance that an urú or seibhiú or tuiseal something-or-other was involved. And I was pretty good at it. Anyhow, I am proud to speak the language of my forefathers: English :-)

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It's just like English, many of the same grammatical rules apply. You just don't know you're using them

Sarky

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Focail suas, Madra Baile.

Sean scoil! :cool:

Galvasean

An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas?

DazMarz

In reference to Galvasean's post:

-the month March is named after Mars, the Roman god of war
-January is named after Janus, the two-faced Roman god
-May is after the Greek goddess Maia
-June: Roman goddess Juno
-Bear also in mind that the final few months of the year (September, October, November, December) are all named after where they used to come in the old calenders (September used to be the seventh month, October the eighth month and so on)

Words and language are fluid things and the meanings and expressions change with time.

As for the Dia dhuit issue, whenever I'd use Irish (not that often anymore), my opening greeting is Conas atá? or something along those lines.

ShooterSF

Ah the other subject I hated in school and was forced to participate in. You could use the only sentence I took out of it after 13 years "Ní thigim" (the irony will not be lost if that's spelt wrong)

swampgas

swampgas wrote: »

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This. This is what I hated most about learning Irish - you could never be sure that you'd got it right. There was always the chance that an urú or seibhiú or tuiseal something-or-other was involved. And I was pretty good at it. Anyhow, I am proud to speak the language of my forefathers: English :-)

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ya must be a blow in to West Cork so

Davidius

Being proud of the fact that you speak English is like being proud that you can walk, it only make sense in contexts that most likely don't apply to you. I may be wrong however as you might be a Mongol with muscular dystrophy.

swampgas

Deleted User wrote: »

ya must be a blow in to West Cork so

Yep.

I can speak passable Irish, but what frustrated me at school was how picky the grammar is. That was my point, really. And I don't think West Cork is full of people speaking Irish fluently, without any errors like those seen earlier in the thread.

Irish grammar is unnecessarily convoluted, IMO, and could do with a bit of a clean up.

Anyhow, miles off topic now ...

swampgas

Davidius wrote: »

Being proud of the fact that you speak English is like being proud that you can walk, it only make sense in contexts that most likely don't apply to you. I may be wrong however as you might be a Mongol with muscular dystrophy.

You must have missed the smiley in my post.

I'm sure people with Down's syndrome or with muscular dystrophy are delighted that you feel that those conditions can be used as insults. Classy.

The Mad Hatter

swampgas wrote: »

You must have missed the smiley in my post.

I'm sure people with Down's syndrome or with muscular dystrophy are delighted that you feel that those conditions can be used as insults. Classy.

"Mongol" is used as a derivative term for people with Down's Syndrome? I did not know that, and to be honest I find it really depressing.

Davidius

swampgas wrote: »

You must have missed the smiley in my post.

I'm sure people with Down's syndrome or with muscular dystrophy are delighted that you feel that those conditions can be used as insults. Classy.

I'm not trying to insult you, it was just a quip that fell flat. A Mongol is a person from Mongolia - i.e. somebody who wouldn't be expected to speak English. The point was that it's unlikely you're somebody to who speaking English would take considerable time and effort. It would be like being proud that you can walk without having faced adverse circumstances. I then add a clause absolving me of any error in the those assumptions by preparing for an overly specific case where neither assumption is true. It's intended to be jocular.

eyescreamcone

What's the plural of Dia?

gods be with you?
Battlestar Galactica as gaeilge

Gumbi

eyescreamcone wrote: »

What's the plural of Dia?

gods be with you?
Battlestar Galactica as gaeilge

Déithe

eyescreamcone

Well everybody...

deithe duit! (always go with the small d for extra effect)

The Mad Hatter

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Well everybody...

deithe duit! (always go with the small d for extra effect)

Deithe diabh*.




*Or is it dhiabh? My Irish is atrocious.

Galvasean

Davidius wrote: »

A Mongol is a person from Mongolia - i.e. somebody who wouldn't be expected to speak English. The point was that it's unlikely you're somebody to who speaking English would take considerable time and effort.

Call me a Doubting Thomas, but of all the nationalities in the world that are unlikely to speak English you picked the one that doubles up as a derogatory term for people with Downs Syndrome...

Davidius

Galvasean wrote: »

Call me a Doubting Thomas, but of all the nationalities in the world that are unlikely to speak English you picked the one that doubles up as a derogatory term for people with Downs Syndrome...

You can't doubt what I say, that's intolerant.
An unfortunate choice in retrospect - I chose a generic central Asian country because I figured they have the least contact with English (given Russian influence; turns out that Russian is being displaced by English as a second language there after looking into it though. Figures). If I had intended slang use I probably wouldn't have capitalised it. Moreover 'mongol' to refer to Down's syndrome specifically is a bit weird to me. I'd heard 'mongloid' (and 'Downie') before but 'mongol' is a bit Genghis Khan-y.

I don't think it really makes sense if its an insult; seems like it'd be unmotivated both in the need for an insult and the injection of Down's Syndrome into it.

eyescreamcone

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Deithe diabh*.




*Or is it dhiabh? My Irish is atrocious.

You're better than me
I stand corrected

Gumbi

eyescreamcone wrote: »

You're better than me
I stand corrected

daoibh is the standard spelling. I would say dhaoibh, though.

swampgas

Davidius wrote: »

You can't doubt what I say, that's intolerant.
An unfortunate choice in retrospect - I chose a generic central Asian country because I figured they have the least contact with English (given Russian influence; turns out that Russian is being displaced by English as a second language there after looking into it though. Figures). If I had intended slang use I probably wouldn't have capitalised it. Moreover 'mongol' to refer to Down's syndrome specifically is a bit weird to me. I'd heard 'mongloid' (and 'Downie') before but 'mongol' is a bit Genghis Khan-y.

I don't think it really makes sense if its an insult; seems like it'd be unmotivated both in the need for an insult and the injection of Down's Syndrome into it.

Fair enough, I can see how I misinterpreted what you were saying.

Geo10

Just say the Irish for hello? That's what I do sometimes (but I don't mind saying Dia Dhuit- it's just a meaningless expression for me like other English words that originate from archaic religions). Hello is "hallo" or "haigh" btw