Sunday Times Poll 18 Nov

hallelujajordan

Latest poll, to be published tomorrow showing sustained recovery for Fianna Fail, now comfortably second most popular party in the country. Labour slide continues . .

Micheal Martin now most popular party leader.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/boost-for-fianna-fail-and-martin-in-new-opinion-poll-574589.html

Sierra Oscar

Tomorrows Sunday Times Poll is carrying the following opinion poll data from Behaviour & Attitudes.

FG - 30% (-1%)
FF - 22% (+6%)
SF - 14% (-4%)
Lab - 12% (-2%)
Ind - 19% (NC)
Greens - 2% (NC)

Micheál Martin is also the most popular leader in the Dáil, with his approval rating being at 42%. Fianna Fáil will be happy with this poll, seems to give some merit to the previous opinion polls which showed an increase in popularity.

Boost for Fianna Fáil and Martin in new opinion poll

Death and Taxes

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Tomorrows Sunday Times Poll is carrying the following opinion poll data from Behaviour & Attitudes.

FG - 30% (-1%)
FF - 22% (+6%)
SF - 14% (-4%)
Lab - 12% (-2%)
Ind - 19% (NC)
Greens - 2% (NC)

Micheál Martin is also the most popular leader in the Dáil, with his approval rating being at 42%. Fianna Fáil will be happy with this poll, seems to give some merit to the previous opinion polls which showed an increase in popularity.

Good to see the Shinners and the stickies both losing ground, but would be worried that FF have 22% and that MM is so popular.

Mr.Micro

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Latest poll, to be published tomorrow showing sustained recovery for Fianna Fail, now comfortably second most popular party in the country. Labour slide continues . .

Micheal Martin now most popular party leader.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/boost-for-fianna-fail-and-martin-in-new-opinion-poll-574589.html

I am sure Martin will be very surprised at that. Sure he thinks to himself "I have done nothing":D

Sunnyisland

Not big surprise to me,Cant blame the Politicians its us the people who vote them in,You reap what you sow,I foresee when the next general election come s around it shall be between FF & FG, Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Sierra Oscar

Some good news within the polling for MM, showing that his popularity is rising significantly amongst females and urban dwellers - areas in which FF are weak in terms of representation at the moment.

Meanwhile, Micheál Martin’s improved fortunes in the personal popularity stakes are evident across all key socio demographic groupings, albeit with the most significant increases registering amongst females, urban dwellers and, encouragingly from his own longer term perspective as leader of the party, by a full 11 percentage points amongst Fianna Fáil supporters.

The party is also significantly increasing support amongst the younger sections of the electorate, building on the findings of other opinion polls.

Other encouraging signs for Fianna Fáil include the fact that its support levels now stand at 26% amongst 18-34 year olds; just five points behind Fine Gael within this age bracket.

Dublin support also seems to be on the rise seemingly.

The party is also in second place in Dublin on 21% of the vote

http://www.banda.ie/assets/files/pdf/Sunday%20Times%20November%20full%20report.pdf

Dirk Gently

looks like the FF strategy of "Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for this to blow over" is predictably paying dividends.
Disappointed to see them gain ground in Dublin, I was genuinely proud that the capital was FF free.

nuac

Dirk Gently wrote: »

looks like the FF strategy of "Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for this to blow over" is predictably paying dividends.
Disappointed to see them gain ground in Dublin, I was genuinely proud that the capital was FF free.

Winchester? Name of a rifle? Surely that is a SF option.?

nuac

As times are likely to be even tougher, it seems voters are staying with FG and moving to FF.

Labours ardent protection of the PS does not seem to be paying off for them.

Dirk Gently

nuac wrote: »

Winchester? Name of a rifle? Surely that is a SF option.?

also the name of a pub so clearly a publican party option.

3ndahalfof6

What does it matter the damage is done, but it does show the Irish for the fools they are, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

raymon

This is a very sad state of affairs for Ireland that any person would vote for the party that bankrupted us and gave away our sovereignty.

Brussels Sprout

They should really have a "None of the Above" option for these polls. Fianna Fail are benefiting from an anti-government backlash as much as the coalition parties benefited from an anti-FF backlash in the last election.

The really depressing part of this is that it's not just coffin dodgers that are supporting FF. Who the hell are these 26% of 18-34 year olds!

juuge

I've been living abroad for the past couple of years as a direct result of the economic collapse of our country. Just back a couple of days and I now read this...jaysus!! I cannot believe there is still support for FF amongst the electorate and an increase in support just adds insult to injury. I won't be hanging around for much longer, with this and the tragedy in Galway University Hospital I've never been less proud in being Irish.:(

thebman

It just shows a lack of alternatives IMO.

Public getting sick of pseudo political reform too.

Sierra Oscar

thebman wrote: »

It just shows a lack of alternatives IMO.

It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.

DrumSteve

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.

You've just described FF there.

raymon

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.

Not true...... bankrupting the country and beating up the people fixing it is not constructive or pragmatic. Fianna Fail's opposition tactics disgust me

thebman

Why isn't it a red c poll?

Never heard of Behaviour and Attitudes doing political polls before.

Why are we not seeing red c polls recently? Last one according to Red C's website was October 29th, 2012 which is a long time ago.

Callan57

raymon wrote: »

Not true...... bankrupting the country and beating up the people fixing it is not constructive or pragmatic. Fianna Fail's opposition tactics disgust me

It is bizzare that people would go back to supporting FF .... to give them an opportunity to do it all again. And believe me they will do it again given a chance. :eek:

Green Diesel

thebman wrote: »

Never heard of Behaviour and Attitudes doing political polls before.

http://www.banda.ie/political-social.html

nuac

Red C usually publish polls at end of each month

Tea drinker

Dirk Gently wrote: »

looks like the FF strategy of "Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for this to blow over" is predictably paying dividends.
Disappointed to see them gain ground in Dublin, I was genuinely proud that the capital was FF free.

Why would you think that Dub was FFFree? Bertie was Saint Local Boy, and sure a whole heap of people would still vote for FF if they were killing babies on O'Connel street, sure spose they have to stick to their principles.
The one good thing about SF is they are sufficiently wacko to do unpredictable good things in opposition. Look at how they torpedoed Sean Gallagher.
Having FF in opposition is totally useless, that party is spent as a representaive of the people. You might as well a bunch of talking toys from Hamleys in the "dail". They have far less credibility than SF, having ACTUALLY bankrupt the country.

juuge wrote: »

I've been living abroad for the past couple of years as a direct result of the economic collapse of our country. Just back a couple of days and I now read this...jaysus!! I cannot believe there is still support for FF amongst the electorate and an increase in support just adds insult to injury. I won't be hanging around for much longer, with this and the tragedy in Galway University Hospital I've never been less proud in being Irish.

You shouldn't feel shame in things you didn't take part in , no more than you should feel pride. Nationalism has to be based on what you have at least expressed an opinion on publicly or in vote, better is what what you actually do.

Mr.Micro

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.

I would not read too much into it. Support for FG is still solid, and that is the crux of the matter. FF appear to have gained from SF and Labour, so the shift for some voters is SF to FF? As a result of the murder of the prison officer, support for SF may be down, as many will associate any IRA with SF, hence the shift to FF, which will be short lived, IMO. People are obviously feeling better now that some are prepared to risk all again on incompetents who have done nothing constructive to sort the problems they created, other than criticize.

Dirk Gently

Tea drinker wrote: »

Why would you think that Dub was FFFree? .

because Dublin returned no FF TD's with the exception of the late Brian Lenihan whose seat was eventually taken by Patrick Nulty in a by-election. The current FF TD count for Dublin is zero.

gaffer91

Delighted to see SF support fall, long may it continue.

Not sure what FF have done to merit an increase in support however. They are the best in opposition but that is really not saying much, and they also landed the country in this economic crisis in the first place. Perhaps an infusion of young blood untainted by the 1997-2011 years, and a dose of social liberalism would result in the party carving out a more deserved niche in the political system.

Gee Bag

That Fianna Fail have 22% support is mind boggling.

I'd like to see a breakdown of the age groups they are getting their support from. I'm presuming it is from older voters.

Sierra Oscar

Gee Bag wrote: »

That Fianna Fail have 22% support is mind boggling.

I'd like to see a breakdown of the age groups they are getting their support from. I'm presuming it is from older voters.

The rise in support is actually due to female voters shifting to FF, alongside a large jump in support between the 18 - 34 age group (support is at 26% there).

thebman wrote: »

Why isn't it a red c poll?

Never heard of Behaviour and Attitudes doing political polls before.

Why are we not seeing red c polls recently? Last one according to Red C's website was October 29th, 2012 which is a long time ago.

B&A have been doing political opinion polls for a few years now. RedC do one for the last Sunday of every month. We should have a RedC this day two weeks, so it will be interesting to see if the trend continues.

COYW

raymon wrote: »

This is a very sad state of affairs for Ireland that any person would vote for the party that bankrupted us and gave away our sovereignty.

What other option is there, in reality? You have FG, Labour or FF to vote for as a governing party. The others offer bugger all when you sit back from the sensationalist politicking and take a cold hard look at them. The fact that no other political movement can manage to harness the anger out there among voters, and turn that into political gain is just as bad as people switching back to FF. It shows how horribly unbalanced Irish politics is to the left and how short changed we the public are from the €90K plus expenses that our politicians "earn".

I posted that FF will be pretty close to FG in terms seats by the next general election, when people were celebrating the death of FF during the last election. The make-up of the next government will be very interesting. It will be some gathering of nonsense with FF or FG with what is left of Labour, a few Green party people who will probably get seats in place of Labour casualties, and the rest will be independents.

Before anyone posts it, neither FF nor FG will enter into government with SF. Not for another generation or two at least. That would lose them more votes than any austerity policy.

Death and Taxes

COYW wrote: »

What other option is there, in reality? You have FG, Labour or FF to vote for. The others offer bugger all when you sit back from the sensationalist politicking and take a cold hard look at them. The fact that no other political movement can manage to harness the anger out there among voters, and turn that into political gain is just as bad as people switching back to FF. It shows how horribly unbalanced Irish politics is to the left and how short changed we the public are from the €90K plus expenses that our politicians "earn".

I posted that FF will be pretty close to FG in terms seats by the next general election, when people were celebrating the death of FF during the last election. The make-up of the next Dail will be very interesting. It will be some gathering of nonsense with FF or FG with what is left of Labour, a few Green party people who will probably get seats in place of Labour casualties, and the rest will be independents.

You are seriously suggesting that there will be no SF members of the next Dail, none?
Much as I despise them even I dont see that happening!

3ndahalfof6

COYW wrote: »

What other option is there, in reality? You have FG, Labour or FF to vote for. The others offer bugger all when you sit back from the sensationalist politicking and take a cold hard look at them. The fact that no other political movement can manage to harness the anger out there among voters, and turn that into political gain is just as bad as people switching back to FF. It shows how horribly unbalanced Irish politics is to the left and how short changed we the public are from the €90K plus expenses that our politicians "earn".

I posted that FF will be pretty close to FG in terms seats by the next general election, when people were celebrating the death of FF during the last election. The make-up of the next Dail will be very interesting. It will be some gathering of nonsense with FF or FG with what is left of Labour, a few Green party people who will probably get seats in place of Labour casualties, and the rest will be independents.

I will just say, you mention the others have bugger all to offer, the main three parties you purpose also have bugger all to offer, they actually seem to be the kings of bugger all to offer,

but as you say the people do not help themselves, while it would be better for a one party rule, the things that are wrong at the moment might have a better chance of being righted (which I don't think will happen no matter who rules) if it is a mishmash, it might keep those with the majority on their toes.

COYW

WileyCoyote wrote: »

You are seriously suggesting that there will be no SF members of the next Dail, none?
Much as I despise them even I dont see that happening!

Sorry, I meant government not Dail.

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I will just say, you mention the others have bugger all to offer, the main three parties you purpose also have bugger all to offer, they actually seem to be the kings of bugger all to offer,

but as you say the people do not help themselves, while it would be better for a one party rule, the things that are wrong at the moment might have a better chance of being righted (which I don't think will happen no matter who rules) if it is a mishmash, it might keep those with the majority on their toes.

For the record, (dreamland) I would like to see a U.S.E. (United States of Europe), where we are controlled by Brussels. I think this would serve us best.

3ndahalfof6

COYW wrote: »

Sorry, I meant government not Dail.



For the record, (dreamland) I would like to see a U.S.E. (United States of Europe), where we are controlled by Brussels. I think this would serve us best.

I agree, it would just be a case of where we would be positioned in it.

tayto lover

raymon wrote: »

This is a very sad state of affairs for Ireland that any person would vote for the party that bankrupted us and gave away our sovereignty.

I could not vote for a party which still contains members from the last time they were in power. Unless there is a complete change in their membership they won't be getting my vote. As long as one remains then no vote.

the groutch

COYW wrote: »

For the record, (dreamland) I would like to see a U.S.E. (United States of Europe), where we are controlled by Brussels. I think this would serve us best.

at least they would hve the balls to make the so called "hard decisions".

Dob74

the groutch wrote: »

at least they would hve the balls to make the so called "hard decisions".

No they wouldn't.
Can't even make up there minds on the European budget, debt, Greece lleaving the euro etc.
Strong local government ( like most western countries). Directly elected dpp who is answerable to the public. Not the minister.

Nodin

Dirk Gently wrote: »

looks like the FF strategy of "Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for this to blow over" is predictably paying dividends.
Disappointed to see them gain ground in Dublin, I was genuinely proud that the capital was FF free.

Horrifying prospect, if you saw him on VB last night.

crusher000

The rise of FF tells us more about how devoid our Country is of political options when it comes down to it. Voters rally back to the old rhetoric as they don't see any strenght or policies that other parties offer. Does this mean that we are a country made up of middle class and anything below this are so dis jointed from our political system that they're not even bothered ?. Out of the list of our parties it is hard to find someone that relates to the real Ireland and what's going on at the moment. Suits and ties that's all we have to vote for. What party does the ordinary working man and woman look to as our representatives and reflect the position we're in at the moment ?

Dirk Gently

Nodin wrote: »

Horrifying prospect, if you saw him on VB last night.

Yeah I saw him. Martin is very well coached in PR and media so I can see him getting a lot of support from people who frankly don't know any better. Vin B hardly landed a glove on him all night. It's scary when you look at FF and the complete lack of talent anywhere in the party, (with the exception of Martin whose talent is PR and spin) yet we're looking at them possibly being back in a coalition government only one term after bankrupting the country and losing our soverignty.

Shea O'Meara

raymon wrote: »

This is a very sad state of affairs for Ireland that any person would vote for the party that bankrupted us and gave away our sovereignty.

One must understand, FFail are not a political party. It is a collection of connected people looking out for each other supported in the main by misguided lackeys who believe they are being patriotic and loyal to their great grandfathers.
Regardless of what they do to the others in this country the 'party' faithful know they look out for the greater, collective No. 1, regardless of the Irish peoples best interest.
The only solution would be for us all to sign up to FFail...but I guess they'd only go form some Original Gangster splinter group

Hidalgo

raymon wrote: »

This is a very sad state of affairs for Ireland that any person would vote for the party that bankrupted us and gave away our sovereignty.

Gave away our sovereignty..

If you want to argue that line, Ireland should never have joined the EEC in the first place, that started the process of transfer of power.

People are p*ssed off because they have less money in their pocket, not because politicians 'gave away our sovereignty' IMO

FFs recent rise highlights that for many, there is little to no alternative.

Mr.Micro

Hidalgo wrote: »

Gave away our sovereignty..

If you want to argue that line, Ireland should never have joined the EEC in the first place, that started the process of transfer of power.

People are p*ssed off because they have less money in their pocket, not because politicians 'gave away our sovereignty' IMO

FFs recent rise highlights that for many, there is little to no alternative.

We joined the EEC out of choice, and have benefitted hugely as a result. Our Sovereignty was given away without the consensus of the people. There is an alternative for those disaffected with FG/Lab, do not support any party just for the sake of it, especially a party that has a proven track record.

Hidalgo

Mr.Micro wrote: »

We joined the EEC out of choice, and have benefitted hugely as a result. Our Sovereignty was given away without the consensus of the people. There is an alternative for those disaffected with FG/Lab, do not support any party just for the sake of it, especially a party that has a proven track record.

People are throwing around this sovereifnty like its 1916 and the GPO.

Was the country really that proud of our economic sovereignty before the current mess??

Whereever economic sovereignty lies, be it Dublin or in the hands of EU masters, IMO there's more important things at stake at the moment like employment, or lack of. Personallu, I'm not overly concerned if jobs in Ireland come from our own politicians or further afield.

raymon

Hidalgo wrote: »

Gave away our sovereignty..

If you want to argue that line, Ireland should never have joined the EEC in the first place, that started the process of transfer of power.

People are p*ssed off because they have less money in their pocket, not because politicians 'gave away our sovereignty' IMO

FFs recent rise highlights that for many, there is little to no alternative.

In my opinion the whole economic mismanagement leading to bankruptcy leading to Fianna Fail giving away our sovereignty was a comprehensive act of treason.

It is all linked .

Terrible to see Michael Martin on Vincent Browne this week pretending that FF were minor players in the savage destruction of our economy.

Mr.Micro

raymon wrote: »

In my opinion the whole economic mismanagement leading to bankruptcy leading to Fianna Fail giving away our sovereignty was a comprehensive act of treason.

It is all linked .

Terrible to see Michael Martin on Vincent Browne this week pretending that FF were minor players in the savage destruction of our economy.

I missed that. Did Browne not enlighten him then? Martin has had his eyes and ears closed for a long time, so if he went with that story of FF being minor players, then a) FF have learned nothing b) are in for another hiding and c) Have nothing new to offer and its the same old party with zero credibility.

The same Browne that championed Mr. Wallace until he refused to come on his show to answer questions re his finances, a big shock to Vinny. I think Browne likes to play devil's advocate and has lost a bit of credibliity IMO.

Death and Taxes

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

One must understand, FFail are not a political party. It is a collection of connected people looking out for each other supported in the main by misguided lackeys who believe they are being patriotic and loyal to their great grandfathers.
Regardless of what they do to the others in this country the 'party' faithful know they look out for the greater, collective No. 1, regardless of the Irish peoples best interest.
The only solution would be for us all to sign up to FFail...but I guess they'd only go form some Original Gangster splinter group

No different than FG or Labour then, look at the amount of Judicial and other appointments made to their friends in the last 18 months. Look at the FG slavering to Denis O'Brien.
Cant stand FF but hate hypocrisy and low standards wherever the reside, and right now thats in FG and Lab.

raymon

Mr.Micro wrote: »

I missed that. Did Browne not enlighten him then? Martin has had his eyes and ears closed for a long time, so if he went with that story of FF being minor players, then a) FF have learned nothing b) are in for another hiding and c) Have nothing new to offer and its the same old party with zero credibility.

The same Browne that championed Mr. Wallace until he refused to come on his show to answer questions re his finances, a big shock to Vinny. I think Browne likes to play devil's advocate and has lost a bit of credibliity IMO.

Sorry you missed it . But VB was disappointingly soft on him.

Vinnie did try to enlighten him by stating that Fianna Fail caused the collapse of our economy, , denied by Martin.

He also reminded Martin that Fianna Fail has been the most corrupt party . Again Martin denied this .

Vincent Browne let him get away with it in the end.

I would love to interview Martin with a lie detector strapped to him.

Judgement Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih9m0WvAwFo

Mr.Micro

raymon wrote: »

Sorry you missed it . But VB was disappointingly soft on him.

Vinnie did try to enlighten him by stating that Fianna Fail caused the collapse of our economy, , denied by Martin.

He also reminded Martin that Fianna Fail has been the most corrupt party . Again Martin denied this .

Vincent Browne let him get away with it in the end.

I would love to interview Martin with a lie detector strapped to him.

As I posted earlier, FF have clearly learned nothing. It also goes to prove that all the posters who have posted over the last year that FF have not changed, appear to be correct ..... and Martin is not the man then to modernize FF?

eigrod

Hidalgo wrote: »

People are throwing around this sovereifnty like its 1916 and the GPO.

Was the country really that proud of our economic sovereignty before the current mess??

Whereever economic sovereignty lies, be it Dublin or in the hands of EU masters, IMO there's more important things at stake at the moment like employment, or lack of. Personallu, I'm not overly concerned if jobs in Ireland come from our own politicians or further afield.

Fianna Fáil's record on job creation was large scale public sector recruitment on a scattergun basis and policies to create thousands of jobs in the building industry. That ended well, didn't it ?

Can't say I ever considered myself as "being proud of our economic sovereignty", but I can say I was never proud of Charlie Haughey, Pee Flynn, Denis Foley, Ray Burke, Liam Lawlor, Beverley Flynn, Bertie Ahern, the Galway Tent, Tribunals, Charvet shirts etc etc. They were rife with criminals, and that's without even considering their policies that ultimately drove us over the cliff.

And I'm not having that the Timmy Dooleys and Billy Kellehers of this world have suddenly, overnight, been cleansed of the ethos that was engrained right through FF.

It will be (another) sad day for this country if FF recover.

raymon

This one is worth watching (3:40)

Fianna fail should stop showing up at rallies .

They caused the mess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LaQRijv4-U&feature=plcp