Tesco at Liffey Valley

keizer

Has there been any update on the prospect of a Tesco being built at Liffey Valley?

unkel

That's new to me. I bet M&S wouldn't be happy with that, they might as well shut up shop if that happens...

starviewadams

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/tesco-to-spend-tens-of-millions-on-massive-new-store-3009163.html

http://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/clondalkin53

Last I heard,supermarkets in Lucan and Clondalkin and residents in the area objected to it being built because it would damage their businesses and increase the traffic problems in the area.Was supposed to be a planning decision made in August,then in October,but no news of the outcome seems to exist.

lord lucan

It's currently going through an appeal process i believe. Businesses from Clondalkin,Palmerstown and Lucan have all submitted objections to it. No point in dressing it up,they're all bricking it at the thought of what it'll do to their business.

unkel

I hope it gets approved. 56,000 sq feet isn't that big either, I think that's less than half the size of Tesco Maynooth.

There's a serious lack of competition in supermarkets in Lucan. No Supervalue, no Dunnes and the only Tesco store is old and small. And Superquinn and M&S are so overpriced it is amazing they still exist.

Granted there are 2 Lidls and 1 Aldi. I read the other day that Aldi (8% of the market) is now bigger nationwide than Superquinn

keizer

unkel wrote: »

That's new to me. I bet M&S wouldn't be happy with that, they might as well shut up shop if that happens...

They co-exist in Dundrum Town Centre, however I am not sure what their food section is like over there - if any at all.

CreepingDeath

I just searched for the Tesco planning permission link and found this which is separate and in the Irish times today.

"Planning application lodged for €25m Liffey Valley project"

Nov 13th 2012 - Irish Times Link

NewsLink wrote:

A planning application for a €25 million extension to the Liffey Valley shopping centre has been lodged with South Dublin County Council.

It is claimed the project will create some 670 jobs between construction, and full and part-time staff.

The development would bring the number of people employed at the centre to more than 2,500, and take just over two years to complete.

The application envisages an additional 10,500sq m of space at the western end of the centre in a move which would bring new brand name, fashion shops, restaurants and an expanded cinema complex.

The expansion comes at a time when many other shopping destinations across the State are reporting trading difficulties, including Dún Laoghaire, which was recently reported to have closed 100 shops since 2008.

By contrast, Liffey Valley’s owners, Aviva Investors and Grosvenor, said Liffey Valley is 100 per cent occupied.

Included in the proposed extension is a three-level retail unit of 6,577sq m, with alterations and expansion of the Vue Cinema.

There will also be six restaurants, again laid out over three floors.

Public facilities are to include a space of more than 3,000sq m to accommodate regular managed events. Architects DMOD expected this area to become a meeting place and focal point for the centre.

The revamp also includes improved links to parking and public transport.

The Liffey Valley shopping centre was opened 15 years ago, and is located at the junction of the major N4 and M50 routes.

Merch

I shop in Tesco myself
if it was convenient to shop around Lucan village (parking is the problem) I'd prefer to go to small shops
on the other hand tesco is good value.

However I dont think there is a need for another Tesco.
Maybe they could just modernise the Lucan branch, possibly build another level.They'd be limited with what they could do I suppose and the parking would still be a problem, and the local residents might not be happy with a larger building.

Traffic is pretty bad in and around Liffey valley at times and the parking when its busy isn't great either, if another Tesco is built there, it wont get any better, plus I can see a lot of small businesses affected.

In ways it would be better for me, I wouldnt have to go to the Lucan branch anymore, but I see it causing a lot of problems for other people.
first i've heard of it really

CreepingDeath

Merch wrote: »

Maybe they could just modernise the Lucan branch, possibly build another level.

The Dodsboro Tesco is pretty poor.
I drive to the Maynooth store just 20 mins up the motorway, much larger and a bigger range.

unkel

Merch wrote: »

if it was convenient to shop around Lucan village (parking is the problem) I'd prefer to go to small shops

I don't want to take this off topic, but have you tried in recent years? Both parking and traffic are much better than they were (outside of peak traffic / Friday afternoons)

I never struggle to find a parking spot on main street / Lucan road during shop opening hours

If you can (and can afford it), please support local Irish businesses!

msbusterpuss

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The Dodsboro Tesco is pretty poor.
I drive to the Maynooth store just 20 mins up the motorway, much larger and a bigger range.

I too do this. The parking facilities are a shambles its so hard to get into and out of that people end up parking on the streets around it. For the life of me I cant understand why it isnt knocked and rebuilt and pushed right to the back wall with the parking at the front. Obviously this must be a planning issue.

keizer

CreepingDeath wrote: »

I just searched for the Tesco planning permission link and found this which is separate and in the Irish times today.

"Planning application lodged for €25m Liffey Valley project"

Nov 13th 2012 - Irish Times Link

That would be great if it went ahead.

Heroditas

msbusterpuss wrote: »

I too do this. The parking facilities are a shambles its so hard to get into and out of that people end up parking on the streets around it. For the life of me I cant understand why it isnt knocked and rebuilt and pushed right to the back wall with the parking at the front. Obviously this must be a planning issue.

I'm sure the locals would throw an almighty hissy fit if at attempt was made to redevelop the Dodsboro Tesco.
They've also spent quite a bit of money refurbishing it recently.
I haven't been in it in about two months but it can't be any worse than it was.
Like a lot of others, I prefer to drive to Maynooth.

average_runner

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The Dodsboro Tesco is pretty poor.
I drive to the Maynooth store just 20 mins up the motorway, much larger and a bigger range.

the doddsboro one is rubbish. I shop at 8.30 am on a sat morning and they never have anything fresh out. Instead i do it online now.

Mellio

I think its a good idea if it is built with the same spec as the ones they build in the UK with bigger variety of foods and well laid out aisles.

The one in Clondalkin is a joke, I hate shopping in there, still feels like your shopping in the 90's.

The one in Lucan looks very dated as well but never shopped in there so cant comment.

I dont think M&S and Tesco will be in competition really, M&S are rather different to Tesco and will still maintain there loyal M&S Foody Fans.

If they go down the clothing line Dunnes would probably have something to say about that as well.

I would like to see a more modern looking Tesco around the area.

phasers

The closest Tesco to Lifffey Valley would probably be Ballyfermot and that's a complete dump, it's almost as bad as the one in Clondalkin!

I'd love for this to go ahead, not only would it be a great jobs boost but we'd finally have a nice, modern supermarket close by. It would probably be a 24 hour one too, which would be especially handy

emo72

wouldn't an Asda be great:D we can all dream

brick tamland

Well I for one hope it doesnt go through

Already Tescos in Lucan clondalkin ballyfermot and a big ones in Maynooth and Naas. Tesco will do what they do and small business will get screwed over and closed down. Already plenty of options including plenty of tescos locally.

Mellio

brick tamland wrote: »

Well I for one hope it doesnt go through

Already Tescos in Lucan clondalkin ballyfermot and a big ones in Maynooth and Naas. Tesco will do what they do and small business will get screwed over and closed down. Already plenty of options including plenty of tescos locally.

Im not sure that will be the case.

There will be enough custom that frequent liffey valley to maintain its presence there and I dont think any of the Tesco's will be touched in either of the above locations due to vicinity being very central and needed in them villages.

I think its a good idea to have an option when your up in LIffey Valley if you are clothes shopping(very rarely these days ) but would be nice to have the option instead of having to pay M&S prices for foods.

It should also add a 100 or more staff I would imagine if its a big enough supermarket.

unkel

brick tamland wrote: »

Already Tescos in Lucan clondalkin ballyfermot and a big ones in Maynooth and Naas.

Tesco in Clondalkin is worse than the crappy one in Lucan. Wouldn't even have thought of going to Ballyfermot. Naas is way too far away for anyone from Lucan to go grocery shopping. Leaves the only nice one, in Maynooth. Nearly everybody I know in Lucan would regularly go to Tesco Maynooth

I'd prefer another nice well stocked Tesco 3km from me, not 15km (that's about €5 in petrol alone just to go buy food)

There's room for more Tescos anyway, as Tesco is one of the few supermarkets (along with Aldi and Lidl) actually managing to increase market share in Ireland

phasers

brick tamland wrote: »

Well I for one hope it doesnt go through

Already Tescos in Lucan clondalkin ballyfermot and a big ones in Maynooth and Naas. Tesco will do what they do and small business will get screwed over and closed down. Already plenty of options including plenty of tescos locally.

The only nearby supermarket close enough to actually feel any effects imo is that overpriced Supervalu on the Neilstown Rd, and even then I'd say the local residents would still go there for their bits and pieces like they do now.

starviewadams

The Supervalu in Rowlagh?I don't know anybody living around there that does actual grocery shopping there.They treat it like a newsagents.

Tesco in Clondalkin Village is awful,they'll have stuff in stock one week and it won't appear again for a month.

Would definitely shop in Liffey Valley Tesco if it was anything like Naas or The Square.

lord lucan

Apparently this has got the go ahead from Bord Pleanala,there was a story in the Echo about it that i can't seem to link to online as their website is crap.

Pherekydes

Green light for Tesco LV

The_Morrigan

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD12A/0014&type=apps&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=applicant&term=tesco


That is the link to the application on the SDCC website, so all the supporting documents are there to view.

I'm trying to figure out what they are doing to the roads though. There is mention of upgrades to various points on the surrounding roads (Lomans Road, Fonthill).

unkel

That's great news. Also 350 new jobs and more competition, so better deals is a win win for everybody in the area, except for the profits of some British owned multinational companies

lord lucan

The_Morrigan wrote: »

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD12A/0014&type=apps&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=applicant&term=tesco


That is the link to the application on the SDCC website, so all the supporting documents are there to view.

I'm trying to figure out what they are doing to the roads though. There is mention of upgrades to various points on the surrounding roads (Lomans Road, Fonthill).

From reading the submissions,it appears upgrades means some new toucan crossings at St. Lomans/Fonthill(LV roundabout),and Coldcut road and the creation of a slip lane at the roundabout on the Fonthill opposite the Fonthill retail park.

The idea of a ped crossing at the liffey valley roundabout is frightening. Traffic at peak times is horrendous as it is around there and a ped crossing is going to make it considerably worse.

Heroditas

Are they going to shut the one in Lucan?
I can't see them keeping it open if they have massive ones in Liffey Valley and Maynooth.

mikemac1

phasers wrote: »

The closest Tesco to Lifffey Valley would probably be Ballyfermot and that's a complete dump, it's almost as bad as the one in Clondalkin!

Every manager in Tesco Ballyfermot should be sacked.

The staff are good but management haven't a clue.
Place is filthy and has been for years.

Prices on display are constantly wrong but that's ok as I go to customer service for my "double the difference".

The head manager goes around the store shouting her business for all to hear.

Did I mention the place was filthy?

Marty McFly

Heroditas wrote: »

Are they going to shut the one in Lucan?
I can't see them keeping it open if they have massive ones in Liffey Valley and Maynooth.

Doubt it, the one in Lucan is decent open 24 hour and does decent business all hours, if anyone of them was to be closed probably be the one in Clondalkin village which is a dump.

Sunnyisland

mikemac1 wrote: »

Every manager in Tesco Ballyfermot should be sacked.

The staff are good but management haven't a clue.
Place is filthy and has been for years.

Prices on display are constantly wrong but that's ok as I go to customer service for my "double the difference".

The head manager goes around the store shouting her business for all to hear.

Did I mention the place was filthy?

You could be all right about the above ;)But it does produce good singers and has the xfactor.

The_Morrigan

lord lucan wrote: »

From reading the submissions,it appears upgrades means some new toucan crossings at St. Lomans/Fonthill(LV roundabout),and Coldcut road and the creation of a slip lane at the roundabout on the Fonthill opposite the Fonthill retail park.

The idea of a ped crossing at the liffey valley roundabout is frightening. Traffic at peak times is horrendous as it is around there and a ped crossing is going to make it considerably worse.

Not for the pedestrians... I live in St. Eds there are its a game of chicken every day with the traffic, there isn't even a path to get to the bus stop by the hermitage.

lord lucan

The_Morrigan wrote: »

Not for the pedestrians... I live in St. Eds there are its a game of chicken every day with the traffic, there isn't even a path to get to the bus stop by the hermitage.

You'd be quicker walking through mt Andrew and over the footbridge to the bus stop at sureweld I reckon.

Merch

Marty McFly wrote: »

Doubt it, the one in Lucan is decent open 24 hour and does decent business all hours, if anyone of them was to be closed probably be the one in Clondalkin village which is a dump.

Decent? I think not

Routinely have experienced prices not as displayed/charged incorrectly
And to top it off the staff have declined to support that, what exactly is the policy on pricing errors?
I thought it was your money back and the item for free, I heard someone here say double the difference, well in Lucan I was offered the difference at best and had to insist after a number of price problems which I let go, but when the problem persisted, they refused to acknowledge it, just offering me the difference. I disliked having to insist on it.
I stopped going there for a while but its convenience swayed me, on return, Im dismayed to see the number of times I have seen what look like underagers served alcohol without a hint of requesting an ID (whats more annoying is that its the Irish staff, both young and old that serve them) or obviously young teenagers hanging around in the self checkout area with a slab of beer trying (badly) to look not obvious.

Cant say Im happy about Tescos opening in LV for a number of reasons particularily the above, it will be convenient assuming the traffic doesnt get worse, hopefully they will enforce what I assume is their actual policy of not serving underage individuals alcohol by the slab or spirits. They should make the self service non alcohol.


The Lucan shop is crap, clondalkin one is questionable too. Ive seen the above in Tallaght also, so I can only assume its defacto policy to not honour their price error refund commitment and serve alcohol in most/all their stores to juveniles.

Id honestly have preferred if Dunnes had opened a grocery store in LV but as they have one in Clondalkin I cant see it.

josh59

Marty McFly wrote: »

Doubt it, the one in Lucan is decent open 24 hour and does decent business all hours, if anyone of them was to be closed probably be the one in Clondalkin village which is a dump.

The Tesco in Lucan seems to go through phases of being tarted up - which has happened recently. I remember speaking to one of the Tesco head-office people a few years ago and he did say that over the years they had made attempts to get planning permission to extend the shop but this had been turned down. All that they have done over the years is given the place a bit of a facelift - which they have done recently.

Doesn't hide the fact that it's a pretty crap shop - they seem to change managers on a regular basis. Anytime I'm there the staff seem to spend their time discussing their love/social/personal lives in front of customers, and if they're not doing that they're outside in the car park smoking.

Probably the best supermarket in the general Lucan / Clondalkin area is Dunnes in the Mill Centre - always well stocked, clean and well managed - and good value for money.

Superquinn prices are a joke - in the Lucan shop anyway.

Marty McFly

josh59 wrote: »

The Tesco in Lucan seems to go through phases of being tarted up - which has happened recently. I remember speaking to one of the Tesco head-office people a few years ago and he did say that over the years they had made attempts to get planning permission to extend the shop but this had been turned down. All that they have done over the years is given the place a bit of a facelift - which they have done recently.

Doesn't hide the fact that it's a pretty crap shop - they seem to change managers on a regular basis. Anytime I'm there the staff seem to spend their time discussing their love/social/personal lives in front of customers, and if they're not doing that they're outside in the car park smoking.

Probably the best supermarket in the general Lucan / Clondalkin area is Dunnes in the Mill Centre - always well stocked, clean and well managed - and good value for money.

Superquinn prices are a joke - in the Lucan shop anyway.

Hmmm maybe m high view of the Tesco in Lucan stems from how bad the one in Clondalkin Village is, plus with it being 24hours it suits me perfect as someone who works shift work I love being able to pop in at 2a.m and being able to do my shopping.

phasers

This thread made me look this up to see if there was any progress on this and I found an article from the Herald dated May of this year:

A HUGE €25m extension to the Liffey Valley Shopping Centre will mean hundreds of new jobs.

The granting of planning permission for the development by South Dublin County Council was warmly welcomed by Mr O'Connell.

But he was unable to give a start date, or a projected opening date, saying any possible planning appeals would have to be completed first.

He confirmed 670 new jobs would result from the new development. That includes the construction jobs. Post-construction, there will be 400 to 450 new jobs. "Currently, there are 2,270 people employed at Liffey Valley," said Mr O'Connell.

A new three-storey 70,000 sq ft store will be constructed but the identity of the company in negotiations to become a new tenant could not be disclosed yet for commercial reasons, he said.

"I can confirm, however, the new business will not be a supermarket, as current contracts excludes that possibility," he said.

Does this mean there'll be no Tesco? Seems like M&S must have some sort of clause in their contract?

Also, does this also mean that we will finally get a Penneys in Liffey Valley?

Snake Plisken

It would be good if we did get a pennys in Liffey Valley and hopefully HMV will open back up soon. Think there was a rumour at one stage of building a new Tesco's in Adamstown, which I think would have been a better location then Liffey Valley. What Lucan really needs is a Dunnes supermarket.

pjproby

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/green-light-for-south-dublin-tesco-superstore-1.1438990
seems to imply that Tesco will be there.

Marty McFly

Snake Plisken wrote: »

It would be good if we did get a pennys in Liffey Valley and hopefully HMV will open back up soon. Think there was a rumour at one stage of building a new Tesco's in Adamstown, which I think would have been a better location then Liffey Valley. What Lucan really needs is a Dunnes supermarket.

HMV shuld be open later this month or early September.


Since Liffey Valley is in Clondalkin, Lucan could do with a lot of things .

IvySlayer

Yes I've heard rumours a Pennys will be built there.

Still think Liffey Valley is the worst designed shopping centre in Ireland. It could of easily been 2 storey and fit double the amount of shops in it.

ctrl-alt-delete

Marty McFly wrote: »

HMV shuld be open later this month or early September.


Since Liffey Valley is in Clondalkin, Lucan could do with a lot of things .

I actually preferred the name Quarryvale

Sheep Shagger

Interesting as Tesco said only last week that they are ending their 'massive store' expansion plan going for slightly smaller stores in future as seems people don't like that concept anymore.

lord lucan

Just thought I'd bump this as I believe tesco handed back all the paperwork and planning permission for the liffey Valley site and won't be preceding with a store there. No surprise given their market position in Ireland lately.

Snake Plisken

lord lucan wrote: »

Just thought I'd bump this as I believe tesco handed back all the paperwork and planning permission for the liffey Valley site and won't be preceding with a store there. No surprise given their market position in Ireland lately.

Maybe Dunnes might decide to setup there instead, one thing sorely lacking in Lucan is a Dunnes Grocery store.

average_runner

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Maybe Dunnes might decide to setup there instead, one thing sorely lacking in Lucan is a Dunnes Grocery store.

Dunnes wouldn't be big enough for that spot and its not their style

unkel

lord lucan wrote: »

Just thought I'd bump this as I believe tesco handed back all the paperwork and planning permission for the liffey Valley site and won't be preceding with a store there. No surprise given their market position in Ireland lately.

Thanks for the update. Any linky BTW? Disappointing news all the same. They're signing their own death warrant imho. Are they surprised they are losing market share if in a major population centre like Lucan / Adamstown they only have that dilapidated old store in Dodsboro?

Many years ago I did most of my shopping there. I have to say that I only go there these days once in a while and mostly using competitors or their own vouchers

Tesco still has about 24% market share iirc. One wonders why. This is likely to go down. Aldi + Lidl went from about 5% to about 15% over the last decade and are very likely to increase by a percentage point a year for many years to come.

lord lucan

unkel wrote: »

Thanks for the update. Any linky BTW?

No link unfortunately, the wife works for a local retailer who was vehemently against it and was told that tesco had dropped the plan.

average_runner

unkel wrote: »

Thanks for the update. Any linky BTW? Disappointing news all the same. They're signing their own death warrant imho. Are they surprised they are losing market share if in a major population centre like Lucan / Adamstown they only have that dilapidated old store in Dodsboro?

Many years ago I did most of my shopping there. I have to say that I only go there these days once in a while and mostly using competitors or their own vouchers

Tesco still has about 24% market share iirc. One wonders why. This is likely to go down. Aldi + Lidl went from about 5% to about 15% over the last decade and are very likely to increase by a percentage point a year for many years to come.

Tesco are loosing big all over Ireland, their stores got rid of 24hr shopping. Their prices went thru the roof so people walked.

Used to shop in tesco and aldi, weekly shop would be 130 or so(2 adults 2 kids). Now we just shop in aldi as they improved what they stocked, shopping is at max 80 a week.

Wheety

Tesco have started construction in Liffey Valley now. If you go around the B&Q side towards M&S, there is a big site and the signs mention Tesco construction.

Looks like it's going to be a big development.

Stealthirl

Wounder if the development will be anything like the illustrations here http://www.3ddesignbureau.com/case-study/tesco-superstore-liffey-valley-phase-2/ or will it just be a big monoblock Tesco store