London granny killed by pet dogs. Family agonizing whether to put them down or not

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What are these people thinking! What would you do?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/family-of-widow-killed-by-their-five-dogs-agonise-over-having-the-pets-destroyed-8276839.html

eth0

There just isn't any need to put them down unless there is nobody who can deal with them at all.

The local stray cat would eat you as well if he was bigger. Thats just the way things are.

Nichololas

I thought it was usually up to local authorities as to whether or not they put the dogs down?

Tragic though,

dog pun

Destroy 'em or rehome 'em, just don't allow them to keep 'em!! If they did this they're obviously not being cared for responsibly.

woodoo

They have killed a human they need to be put down it shouldn't even be up for negotiation.

ScumLord

It's surprising the dogs would attack a family member. I thought all dogs that attacked people got put down as they "have the taste for human blood".

cardwizzard

Shoot the animals. And before the goodie two shoes harp on, i love dogs and have always had one, but these are extremely dangerous.

Meirleach

Kinda thinking these ones should be put down, this wasn't even one of the dogs snapping, the whole pack went for her, a family member that should have been known to them. Wonder what make up that mongrel is exactly.

Chuck Stone

Did you know that a cat dog will eat you when you've died you're alive? :pac:

Talib Fiasco

Well it depends what you value more: A person's life or a dog's(') life...Personally I couldn't muster the courage to put down the dogs if they were mine but if they killed my gran I'd have to deal with them some way so that they wouldn't be a hazard for me or other family members...I don't think putting them down is the answer but I'd understand if someone wanted to. I know it sounds very Dr. Doolittle but can't dogs go through some therapy or whatever you want to call it to calm them down and make them safe to have as pets???

Gongoozler

These threads in AH always go the same way. Don't know why anybody would bother posting a thread on it, it's all going to be put the dogs down etc etc.

She died of a heart attack, read the story.

07734

My wife just rang me from the vets. Our cat is ill, and the vet wants to put her down.

Fair enough I thought, the cat knows its way home.

Fratton Fred

Gongoozler wrote: »

These threads in AH always go the same way. Don't know why anybody would bother posting a thread on it, it's all going to be put the dogs down etc etc.

She died of a heart attack, read the story.

That's what I was thinking.

If the dogs were hungry and had been left alone for a while then there is a good chance they would jump up at whoever came to feed them. They are big dogs, she was a 71 year old woman....

It doesn't sound like they actually ripped her throat open or anything.

Irishchick

ScumLord wrote: »

I thought all dogs that attacked people got put down as they "have the taste for human blood".

T hats a complete myth.

Everyone is jumping to conclusions when we dont really know what happened. She could have had a heart problem and collapsed. We don't know if the injuries occurred before or after death.

I've also read articles on the case that say the dogs were being mistreated but No one knows if that's true either.

Fratton Fred

07734 wrote: »

My wife just rang me from the vets. Our cat is ill, and the vet wants to put her down.

Fair enough I thought, the cat knows its way home.

I took my cat to the vet and he said "I'm going to have to put her down".

I said is she that bad? he said no, just very heavy!

ba doom tish

Gongoozler

They really know how to sell papers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226908/Family-Gloria-Knowles-decide-dogs-fate-mauling-relative-death.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Chuck Stone

I brought my cat to the vet and he said 'I ****ing hate this place why am I here again'?

Emeraldy Pebbles

Irishchick wrote: »

Everyone is jumping to conclusions when we dont really know what happened. She could have had a heart problem and collapsed. We don't know if the injuries occurred before or after death.

Actually, pathologists CAN tell if an injury occurred while still alive or post-mortem.

gurramok

woodoo wrote: »

They have killed a human they need to be put down it shouldn't even be up for negotiation.

Humans kill humans and all they get is 6 years in a big kennel for manslaughter.

Hopefully there is a thorough investigation CSI style in this case to nail down which of the dogs actually attacked the woman, which one was the instigator..etc.

seamus

Emeraldy Pebbles wrote: »

Actually, pathologists CAN tell if an injury occurred while still alive or post-mortem.

Pathologists can produce an educated opinion. They can and do frequently get it wrong.

opinion guy

Irishchick wrote: »

T hats a complete myth.

Everyone is jumping to conclusions when we dont really know what happened. She could have had a heart problem and collapsed. We don't know if the injuries occurred before or after death.

I've also read articles on the case that say the dogs were being mistreated but No one knows if that's true either.

Emeraldy Pebbles wrote: »

Actually, pathologists CAN tell if an injury occurred while still alive or post-mortem.

seamus wrote: »

Pathologists can produce an educated opinion. They can and do frequently get it wrong.

I think the facts that she was crying for help whilst being attacked and the reports that she died from bleeding from her wounds kind of answer these questions. No ?

Honestly - do you people even read links ? I seriously doubt she was crying for help after she died anyhow. Unless .....did she live next door to a necromancer ??

ScumLord

seamus wrote: »

Pathologists can produce an educated opinion. They can and do frequently get it wrong.

I've never seen them get it wrong in CSI Miami, you must be mistaken.

I would bring out the over and under.

anncoates

Gongoozler wrote: »

These threads in AH always go the same way. Don't know why anybody would bother posting a thread on it, it's all going to be put the dogs down etc etc.

She died of a heart attack, read the story.

Are you having a laugh?
She had multiple injuries and a heart attack, probably as a result of being attacked.

Its like saying if I smash a pensioner over the head with a shovel and she has a heart attack that I wasn't responsible, rather her heart was.

My name is URL

Fcuk.. that's a very sad story. Must be hell for the family right now.

Personally, I'd leave the decision up to the authorities, but if possible keep 1 or 2 of the animals. I don't really see why anyone would want/need to own 5 dogs unless they have a huge area to keep them in. The space they were in at the home looks quite small and is cordoned off from the larger garden area.

Would you really love the dogs the same knowing that they had killed your mother?

Gongoozler

anncoates wrote: »

Are you having a laugh?
She had multiple injuries and a heart attack, probably as a result of being attacked.

Its like saying if I smash a pensioner over the head with a shovel and she has a heart attack that I wasn't responsible, rather her heart was.

No it's really not the same thing at all. If you can't see that, I'm really not sure I can find a way to explain it to you. Think along the lines of diminished responsibility.

But I'm more of an animal lover than a people lover, so doubt very many posters would agree with my pov on this.

lukesmom

Of course they should be put down. Can't believe they are even agonising over this when they killed the granny.

woodoo

Gongoozler wrote: »

These threads in AH always go the same way. Don't know why anybody would bother posting a thread on it, it's all going to be put the dogs down etc etc.

She died of a heart attack, read the story.

What are you talking about she was attacked read the story yourself.

aaronjumper

Gongoozler wrote: »

No it's really not the same thing at all. If you can't see that, I'm really not sure I can find a way to explain it to you. Think along the lines of diminished responsibility.

But I'm more of an animal lover than a people lover, so doubt very many posters would agree with my pov on this.

A heart attack that she probably would not have had if she wasn't attacked by dogs.

opinion guy

aaronjumper wrote: »

A heart attack that she probably would not have had if she wasn't attacked by dogs.

she died from blood loss due to her wounds according to the post-mortem

stoneill

I wonder if the dogs are for rent?

seven_eleven

opinion guy wrote: »

she died from blood loss due to her wounds according to the post-mortem

Which brought on cardiac arrest. I suppose it boils down how you want to define "heart attack" which lead to the cardiac arrest.

Emeraldy Pebbles

opinion guy wrote: »

I think the facts that she was crying for help whilst being attacked and the reports that she died from bleeding from her wounds kind of answer these questions. No ?

Honestly - do you people even read links ? I seriously doubt she was crying for help after she died anyhow. Unless .....did she live next door to a necromancer ??

Yes, I can read links, I was addressing Irishchick's point.

Emeraldy Pebbles

seamus wrote: »

Pathologists can produce an educated opinion. They can and do frequently get it wrong.

Of course they can get it wrong. But seeing as their opinion is educated, they'd more likely get it right. They can never be 100% sure, that would be impossible.

Heroditas

At least it wasn't her granddaughter's toddler who was savaged.

IvySlayer

There was a case in America where an elderly woman was found dead and had bite marks all over her body from her pet Rottweiler. The dog was destroyed but the autopsy revealed she suffered a stroke and died and her dog was trying to drag her outside.

It's still is not clear what happened here though. Imagine coming into a house and 5 dogs greeting you!! One snaps and all hell breaks lose. It could have been food aggression, one dog nipped and she died due to a heart attack, I don't think it is as clear cut as 5 dogs just mauled someone.

MatthewWC

If the dogs attacked, the have to go, if they killed her then the authorities will make the decision for them by destruction

RIP

Nulty

Irishchick wrote: »

T hats a complete myth.

Everyone is jumping to conclusions when we dont really know what happened. She could have had a heart problem and collapsed. We don't know if the injuries occurred before or after death.

I've also read articles on the case that say the dogs were being mistreated but No one knows if that's true either.

You realise that is what the internet is all about? The internet wouldn't exist if no one did that.

Nulty

Gongoozler wrote: »

These threads in AH always go the same way. Don't know why anybody would bother posting a thread on it, it's all going to be put the dogs down etc etc.

She died of a heart attack, read the story.

Maybe she died of a heart attack because she was being attacked by two huge dogs?

BrokenArrows

Only if they actually attacked. As in they bit and tore flesh.

Not just knocked over and licked and she happened to panic and have a heart attack.

Da Shins Kelly

Do the dogs have a history of aggression? Was it a pack mentality thing? Maybe they need to be separated from each other and put in different homes (if anyone's willing to take them).

opinion guy

Emeraldy Pebbles wrote: »

Yes, I can read links, I was addressing Irishchick's point.

Sorry wasn't really directed at you it was just part of the relevant chat.

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Only if they actually attacked. As in they bit and tore flesh.

Not just knocked over and licked and she happened to panic and have a heart attack.

Nulty wrote: »

Maybe she died of a heart attack because she was being attacked by two huge dogs?

We've just been discussing this on the previous page. Christ read the thread. Read the links. She died of shock brought on by blood loss from her bite wounds according to the post morten as reported by the daily fail.

woodoo

opinion guy wrote: »

S
We've just been discussing this on the previous page. Christ read the thread. Read the links. She died of shock brought on by blood loss from her bite wounds according to the post morten as reported by the daily fail.

So she was attacked quite badly then. The dogs have to go.

Zer0

Anything could of happened. This particular breed of dog are well known fighting dogs. The article states that she poor woman died of a heart attack after being mauled by the animals. It doesn't mean they greeted her it means they mauled her, tore flesh whatever. If it is the case that these animals took this womans life then I should believe that the grand daughter must cast her emotional ties towards the animals aside and and for a second think of her emotional ties she had towards the poor relative that died!

When these things happen whos to say it won't happen again. Sure you can train an animal etc, but anything could've caused it. Maybe they were hungry, bored, mistreated or even a fit of springer rage. I've no idea, this isn't just the case of the stray dog down the road that bit a poor kid. It's the case of five huge dogs who posess fighting spirits in their genetic make up that mauled the womans great grand mother to death. Jesus, is it not a bit of a no brainer at the end of the day? Some peoples lack of common sense still suprises me to this day...

dodderangler

. What's a granny doing feedin 5 dogs two species known for attackin people


Puttin the dogs down is not the answer someone will take them dogs and someone with experience with these dogs
If you buy a dog with a reputation for attacks and not have any knowledge then your own fault if you get bitten or attacked
If you buy let's say a snake and a species that are aggressive don't moan bout it if your attacked
I've an Akita and knew what they were like before buying mine
Done all my readin up on them before gettin it

DEFTLEFTHAND

Dogs's are tricky, some people swear on the wire method but I wouldn't like to see the animal struggle even if it is quick. A bullet down the right side ear from close range would probably the best treatment for those dogs mentioned in the OP.

RoverZT

Owning multiple dogs over a certain size should require a license, like a gun license.

It should be very very difficult to get permission to have 3,4,5 huge dogs.

They are weapons in the wrongs hands.

Very few people require 5 huge dogs.

Yet it's common.

I don't blame the dogs for killing that woman, I blame the law.

K-9

eth0 wrote: »

There just isn't any need to put them down unless there is nobody who can deal with them at all.

The local stray cat would eat you as well if he was bigger. Thats just the way things are.

I feed my stray cats, throw them scraps, even buy food for them.

When I sit down for my dinner the cats just look at me through the window saying what the feck are you eating my dinner for? Excuse me, you humans are an inconvenience in life.

Dogs are dumb, but loyal and trusting, they'll sit watching you eat your dinner, waiting for theirs. Always eat first, then feed the dog, they know their position.

I still like cats but dogs win paws down.

Plazaman

Personally I would put down the dogs. They killed me Ma ffs, every future "woof" would sound like a taunting "yum" in my ears.

caste_in_exile

The attack may well have had some foundations in a gang mentality. The more/the dumber, who'd have thought you see this in youths now too; with dogs curiously imbued in their popular culture

blacklilly

I'm actually shocked at the amount of posters who are against putting the dogs down and I can't help but think that if these dogs had killed a small child it would be a different story. Maybe you value the lives of the elderly less.
Also these dogs are huge, plenty of muscle power and aggressive breeding, they should absolutely be put down. I value the life of a human far above that of an animal and I believe the majority would agree.
I'm 100% against animal crulity but if a dog bites a human (for no reason) then the dog must be put down.