The Fighting Irish My Arse

SafeSurfer

Many commentators at home and abroad have remarked how passively the Irish have taken the austerity heaped upon them.

Why should anyone be surprised?

It took nearly 700 years of oppression for us to cast of the imperial British yoke. We suffered religious and cultural persecution, dispossession and multiple famines. And in all that time how did we react? In the usual Irish way. A few pikemen killing their neighbours, a couple of drunken riots, a skirmish in a cabbage patch and an on again off again bank holiday disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_uprisings

And how did the majority of Irish people react? They directed their anger at their fellow Irish men and women. The rebels of 1916 were pelted with stones and spat at on their way to Kilmainham.

So lying down and taking it seems to be the Irish way and anybody who points out the injustice of our situation is dismissed as a whinger.

Fizman

It feels like 700 years of reading threads like this.

Fight_Night

Thanks for that.

gobnaitolunacy

Aren't you short by 100 years? 800 years is the standard period to be oppressed.

super_furry

Why are we fighting your arse. I like your arse.

saiint

someone works for Sinn Féin
your not getting my vote

mikom

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Many commentators at home and abroad have remarked how passively the Irish have taken the austerity heaped upon them.

Why should anyone be surprised?

It took nearly 700 years of oppression for us to cast of the imperial British yoke. We suffered religious and cultural persecution, dispossession and multiple famines. And in all that time how did we react? In the usual Irish way. A few pikemen killing their neighbours, a couple of drunken riots, a skirmish in a cabbage patch and an on again off again bank holiday disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_uprisings

And how did the majority of Irish people react? They directed their anger at their fellow Irish men and women. The rebels of 1916 were pelted with stones and spat at on their way to Kilmainham.

So lying down and taking it seems to be the Irish way and anybody who points out the injustice of our situation is dismissed as a whinger.

Do you know where the word boycott comes from?

granturismo

The Fighting Irish are based in Michigan Indiana so no relevance to this island.

positron

Fighting Irish is really short for "Fighting in between the Irish".

/runs for cover

super_furry

Also what do you have against yokes? OK the British ones aren't as strong as the Dutch but still....

SafeSurfer

saiint wrote: »

someone works for Sinn Féin
your not getting my vote

Pathetic.

Look at my position on Sinn Fein

http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=267604&forum=1431&sort=best&date_to=&date_from=&query=%2A%3A%2A&page=2

Its amazing that there are people in this country who think that if you are angry about the state of the nation that you must be some revolutionary terrorist. Absolutely pathetic.

SafeSurfer

mikom wrote: »

Do you know where the word boycott comes from?

Mayo

K-9

You see loads fighting on a Saturday night in every town and city in the country.

mikom

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Mayo

continue........

El Horseboxo

granturismo wrote: »

The Fighting Irish are based in Michigan so no relevance to this island.

Indiana.

SafeSurfer

mikom wrote: »

continue........

The Irish did not invent the concept of boycotting, just the name.

cameramonkey

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Many commentators at home and abroad have remarked how passively the Irish have taken the austerity heaped upon them.

Why should anyone be surprised?

It took nearly 700 years of oppression for us to cast of the imperial British yoke. We suffered religious and cultural persecution, dispossession and multiple famines. And in all that time how did we react? In the usual Irish way. A few pikemen killing their neighbours, a couple of drunken riots, a skirmish in a cabbage patch and an on again off again bank holiday disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_uprisings

And how did the majority of Irish people react? They directed their anger at their fellow Irish men and women. The rebels of 1916 were pelted with stones and spat at on their way to Kilmainham.

So lying down and taking it seems to be the Irish way and anybody who points out the injustice of our situation is dismissed as a whinger.

You lament the fact that Irish people dont fight and the when they do you disparage their attempts to resist. You seem to want it both ways.

The pikemen, 1798 was a complex revolt against the British involving the deaths of about an estimated 30,000 people. 1916 was a rising by a small group of rebels against a vastly superior force. As for how the majority reacted, how do you know the majority directed their anger at the rebels(this is what I presume you mean)? How many instances were their of people trowing stones and spitting at the rebels?

Logical_Bear

Well there's
Mike Hoare:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Hoare
St patricks Battalion:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Battalion

and not to mention the men who fought in the 2 world wars and the international brigades in Spain.

As for your rant about Irish not fighting for the 800 years of oppression(or how ever long it was)just shows yer ignorance.It was a wee bit more complex than you make out.

I thought people like yerself had already fukked off to oz or canada

Dravokivich

Fighting wouldn't achieve anything. The Greeks rioted like it was going out of fashion and they're still fúcked.

Min

Ireland is fighting back.

Ranked 10th in the world in the prosperity and wellbeing index for 2012.

http://www.prosperity.com/Content/Download/PI2012_Brochure_Final_Web.pdf

Dravokivich

Min wrote: »

Ireland is fighting back.

Ranked 10th in the world for prosperity and wellbeing index for 2012.

http://www.prosperity.com/Content/Download/PI2012_Brochure_Final_Web.pdf

That's not what the OP meant...

admiralofthefleet

the catholic 'church' did more damage to this country than the brits ever did

Min

Dravokivich wrote: »

That's not what the OP meant...

Oh, I know...

SafeSurfer

Logical_Bear wrote: »

I thought people like yerself had already fukked off to oz or canada

QED

gobnaitolunacy

The ideal opportunity to 'fight' back and put up a united front was the household charge, unfortunately many esp. pensioners were frightened into paying it.

Min

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the catholic 'church' did more damage to this country than the brits ever did

What rubbish, it has been human greed and selfishness that has done damage to this country, time and time again.

bluecode

The 'fighting Irish' reputation comes from our emigrants and those who served in every army under the sun and their reputation for drunkeness and fighting amongst each other and against others. It's not just a cliche either. We continue with this baleful tradition to this day particularly in Australia apparently.

Your view of history is simplistic. One of the many myths of Irish history is that we were oppressed by the 'Imperial British yoke' all the time. The truth is not so comfortable. All too often the oppression came from fellow Irishmen and I'm not just talking about the Anglo Irish. Look what happened since independance. We just replaced one bunch of oppressors for a slightly more greedy bunch of oppressive hyprocrites.

It seems we cannot rule ourselves successfully. We remain the joke country of Europe.

It wasn't me!

"The Irish march to the sound of guns like salmon to the sea." You can't just latch on to the rough verbal framework of an attributed cultural characteristic and use it to swing into your current area of interest. It's like the opening sentence of a dodgy Independent opinion piece.

Max Power

I don't like confrontation

Robbo

Has anyone chimed in yet with a baleful quote from Yeats, showing that they too have a vague recollection of the Leaving Cert poetry syllabus?

kupus

mikom wrote: »

Do you know where the word boycott comes from?

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Mayo

mikom wrote: »

continue........

Mayonnaise?

SafeSurfer

cameramonkey wrote: »

You lament the fact that Irish people dont fight and the when they do you disparage their attempts to resist. You seem to want it both ways.

The pikemen, 1798 was a complex revolt against the British involving the deaths of about an estimated 30,000 people. 1916 was a rising by a small group of rebels against a vastly superior force. As for how the majority reacted, how do you know the majority directed their anger at the rebels(this is what I presume you mean)? How many instances were their of people trowing stones and spitting at the rebels?

Roughly 3,000 volunteers took part in the 1916 rebellion. At the same time over 200,000 Irishmen were fighting for Great Britain in the first world war. The Irish Parliamentary Party condemned the rebellion, at that time they represented 75% of the Irish electorate. It was only after the execution of the leaders of the rebellion, particularly the shooting of the badly injured Connolly, while strapped to a chair, that public opinion began to change.

saiint

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Pathetic.

Look at my position on Sinn Fein

http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=267604&forum=1431&sort=best&date_to=&date_from=&query=%2A%3A%2A&page=2

Its amazing that there are people in this country who think that if you are angry about the state of the nation that you must be some revolutionary terrorist. Absolutely pathetic.

contradicting everything you say
your an idiot and pathetic :pac:

It wasn't me!

Robbo wrote: »

Has anyone chimed in yet with a baleful quote from Yeats, showing that they too have a vague recollection of the Leaving Cert poetry syllabus?

Hey, I went straight for Kipling man!

SafeSurfer

bluecode wrote: »

The 'fighting Irish' reputation comes from our emigrants and those who served in every army under the sun and their reputation for drunkeness and fighting amongst each other and against others. It's not just a cliche either. We continue with this baleful tradition to this day particularly in Australia apparently.

Your view of history is simplistic. One of the many myths of Irish history is that we were oppressed by the 'Imperial British yoke' all the time. The truth is not so comfortable. All too often the oppression came from fellow Irishmen and I'm not just talking about the Anglo Irish. Look what happened since independance. We just replaced one bunch of oppressors for a slightly more greedy bunch of oppressive hyprocrites.

It seems we cannot rule ourselves successfully. We remain the joke country of Europe.

I couldn't agree more.

9959

mikom wrote: »

Do you know where the word boycott comes from?

Geoffrey Boycott the redoubtable Yorkshire and England cricketer???

SafeSurfer

saiint wrote: »

contradicting everything you say
your an idiot and pathetic :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3nScN89Klo

SafeSurfer

It wasn't me! wrote: »

"The Irish march to the sound of guns like salmon to the sea." You can't just latch on to the rough verbal framework of an attributed cultural characteristic and use it to swing into your current area of interest. It's like the opening sentence of a dodgy Independent opinion piece.

I just did.

Capt'n Midnight

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Aren't you short by 100 years? 800 years is the standard period to be oppressed.

At the signal it will be 843 years , 6 months , 30 days and three hours <Beeeeep!>

It wasn't me!

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I just did.

I'm sorry. You're correct. I should have phrased that as "If you're going to do this, you're going to look like a tool, and demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about, but just want a rabble."

LivelineDipso

The OP has a point - look how many "proud" Irish people actively seek to kill off the league of Ireland while then singing Fields of Athenry with tears rolling down their cheeks in some British stadium at 11 multi-millionaires playing for a club with "Irish connections..."

It truly is freaky. There is something not right at all with us as a people.

mikom

LivelineDipso wrote: »

how many "proud" Irish people actively seek to kill off the league of Ireland while then singing Fields of Athenry with tears rolling down their cheeks in some British stadium at 11 multi-millionaires playing for a club with "Irish connections..."

What is the capacity of the stadium?

woodoo

The fighting was normally between the Irish and normally when drunk.

SafeSurfer

mikom wrote: »

What is the capacity of the stadium?

From 10,638 to 60,355

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_stadiums

al28283

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Many commentators at home and abroad have remarked how passively the Irish have taken the austerity heaped upon them.

Why should anyone be surprised?

It took nearly 700 years of oppression for us to cast of the imperial British yoke. We suffered religious and cultural persecution, dispossession and multiple famines. And in all that time how did we react? In the usual Irish way. A few pikemen killing their neighbours, a couple of drunken riots, a skirmish in a cabbage patch and an on again off again bank holiday disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_uprisings

And how did the majority of Irish people react? They directed their anger at their fellow Irish men and women. The rebels of 1916 were pelted with stones and spat at on their way to Kilmainham.

So lying down and taking it seems to be the Irish way and anybody who points out the injustice of our situation is dismissed as a whinger.

ok

mikom

SafeSurfer wrote: »

From 10,638 to 60,355

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_stadiums

Do you think we could fit the whole population of Ireland into them whilst complying with health and safety regs?

SafeSurfer

mikom wrote: »

Do you think we could fit the whole population of Ireland into them whilst complying with health and safety regs?

The combined capacity of the listed stadiums is 1,609,153 (slow day in the office), the population of the republic of Ireland is 4,581,269, so we would be 2,972,116 places short. If health and safety regulations would permit use of the pitch space itself then I believe it could be possible, but it would be a tight squeeze.

mikom

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The combined capacity of the listed stadiums is 1,609,153 (slow day in the office), the population of the republic of Ireland is 4,581,269, so we would be 2,972,116 places short. If health and safety regulations would permit use of the pitch space itself then I believe it could be possible, but it would be a tight squeeze.

That's a lotta tears.......

Emeraldy Pebbles

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Many commentators at home and abroad have remarked how passively the Irish have taken the austerity heaped upon them.

Why should anyone be surprised?

It took nearly 700 years of oppression for us to cast of the imperial British yoke. We suffered religious and cultural persecution, dispossession and multiple famines. And in all that time how did we react? In the usual Irish way. A few pikemen killing their neighbours, a couple of drunken riots, a skirmish in a cabbage patch and an on again off again bank holiday disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_uprisings

And how did the majority of Irish people react? They directed their anger at their fellow Irish men and women. The rebels of 1916 were pelted with stones and spat at on their way to Kilmainham.

So lying down and taking it seems to be the Irish way and anybody who points out the injustice of our situation is dismissed as a whinger.

Are you going to start an uprising, OP?

SafeSurfer

Emeraldy Pebbles wrote: »

Are you going to start an uprising, OP?

I just might Emeraldy Pebbles, I just might.

Of course I would have to think of a catchy nom de guerre first.

Emeraldy Pebbles

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I just might Emeraldy Pebbles, I just might.

Of course I would have to think of a catchy nom de guerre first.

Sure, sure, we all might. But we won't.