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Splitting South eastern hospitals

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  • 26-10-2012 9:08am
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    Max Powers
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    Well lads/ladies, Bringing this from the Waterford Forum as it effects KK, Wex just as much.

    Heard a Waterford Senator talking about the effective breaking up of the south-east hospital region in a proposed report.

    WRH to be tacked on with a Cork hospital
    Kk with some Dublin Hospital
    Wex with some Dublin hospital


    Im surprised its not on the KK boards already, this will not be good for Kilkenny, Waterford, Clonmel or Wexford. I realise that KK hospital may look at WRH with some mild jealousy as its a bigger hospital (I presume) serving the region, however this is no time for such jealousy, WRH serves all of the region, if the govt plans go ahead, eventually there will be no SE hospital region, no regional hospital and sure as the TD/minister says, 'sure what funding do they need'.

    Reilly is hiding behind the idea of smaller procedures in smaller hospitals, which in theory is fine however, if KK is lumped in with Dublin, Waterford with COrk etc, do you think Cork or Dublin is gonna have us in the south east as their first priority. I dont think so. Not to mention, various jobs moved form here to Cork/Dublin.


    Get onto your TDs, Ministers and Hogan


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    road_high
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    Sounds a bit vague just yet. Senator talking about a proposed report?
    I'm not sure what they even mean by integrating St. Lukes with a Dublin hospital? Which one, even? Is it a management admin merger? Or merger of procedures?
    It may not be neccessarily be a bad thing if it saves money.
    As it is, far as I can see you/we have to go to Dublin for any major procedure around these parts anyhow...to be honest if my life was in danger I'd much rather go to Dublin where they are very specialised (usually) in various fields and thus chances are best for positive outcomes.


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    Max Powers
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    mfitzy wrote: »
    Sounds a bit vague just yet. Senator talking about a proposed report?
    I'm not sure what they even mean by integrating St. Lukes with a Dublin hospital? Which one, even? Is it a management admin merger? Or merger of procedures?
    It may not be neccessarily be a bad thing if it saves money.
    As it is, far as I can see you/we have to go to Dublin for any major procedure around these parts anyhow...to be honest if my life was in danger I'd much rather go to Dublin where they are very specialised (usually) in various fields and thus chances are best for positive outcomes.


    you would rather travel 100miles to dublin than 30 to WRH for major/urgent work? That doesnt make any sense to me, we all in the SE should be pushing for services/jobs to stay in the SE, supporting the SE etc.
    The report is done, just not released yet, out of the report will come proposals. I would have thought the removal of control out of the SE would be a red flag for all of us.


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    road_high
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    you would rather travel 100miles to dublin than 30 to WRH for major/urgent work? That doesnt make any sense to me, we all in the SE should be pushing for services/jobs to stay in the SE, supporting the SE etc.
    The report is done, just not released yet, out of the report will come proposals. I would have thought the removal of control out of the SE would be a red flag for all of us.

    That ain't what I said....any friends/family I have had ill in recent years have been reffered to Dublin generally for any major treatment. Of course in an ideal world it would be wonderful to have 1st class facilities all available nearer home but given the choice between having it done in a centre of excellence or in a smaller hospital, I know which I'd choose anyhow...
    We could go off and get all hysterical here and say the govt is shafting the south east again but I certainly don't have enough facts to back that up.
    Link to the report please? Or where it is talked about (factually, i.e. not boards hearsay!!)? Also, is removal of control (though that what kind of happened already with HSE South in Cork) a given? Who says the Dublin or Cork hospitals won't be on an equal footing?


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    Dozen Wicked Words
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    If you were in North Kilkenny I don't think there would be much to choose distance wise between Dublin and Waterford would there?


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    road_high
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    Depends, do they mean Tallaght hospital? Or a city centre hospital?You're right there isn't a massive difference in journey times.
    Why I want more facts on the report, would some treatments be in say Kilkenny and others in the Dublin hosp vice versa?


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    catbear
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    Is the issue worker reluctance to adapt to changes to provide better value for money for general healthcare?


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    mydogjack
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    Ah this is a farce. W.R.H is riddled with bugs, and to be honest I'd rather take my chances in Dublin. W.R.H is our 'regional' but no Cancer, paeds etc. Seriously would not bother me as we have to travel to Dublin anyway for anyting Acutely serious. I smell a rat here.


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    Max Powers
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    mydogjack wrote: »
    Ah this is a farce. W.R.H is riddled with bugs, and to be honest I'd rather take my chances in Dublin. W.R.H is our 'regional' but no Cancer, paeds etc. Seriously would not bother me as we have to travel to Dublin anyway for anyting Acutely serious. I smell a rat here.

    That kind of inaccurate gossip is silly, WRH performs brilliantly even with the near lowest per-patient financial support from state (see link). No cancer care in WRH even though it is designated a centre of excellence, dont you think getting onto the Min.Health about that would be a smarter course of action than spreading lies.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0226/health.html


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    comeraghs
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    It's another scam by FG & Phil Hogan to turn Waterford into a ghost town & pander to the vested interests in Kilkenny & Cork.


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    catbear
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    Max you're the one who started this thread on something overheard. Pot, meet Kettle.


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    Max Powers
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    catbear wrote: »
    Max you're the one who started this thread on something overheard. Pot, meet Kettle.


    What im typing here is repeating what a senator said on radio that a report is about to be released, not idle chit chat. As you may know, these reports are often leaked as a kite flying exercise by sucessive govts. i also pointed out facts about WRH. im surprised none of the various posters here seem to care about having a good regional hospital to serve the region, cancer care etc etc or cuts to regional hospital care. This is bigger than WRH as i have said, its the whole region.


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    road_high
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    comeraghs wrote: »
    It's another scam by FG & Phil Hogan to turn Waterford into a ghost town & pander to the vested interests in Kilkenny & Cork.

    Oh please...


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    road_high
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    What im typing here is repeating what a senator said on radio that a report is about to be released, not idle chit chat. As you may know, these reports are often leaked as a kite flying exercise by sucessive govts. i also pointed out facts about WRH. im surprised none of the various posters here seem to care about having a good regional hospital to serve the region, cancer care etc etc or cuts to regional hospital care. This is bigger than WRH as i have said, its the whole region.

    Any links to said interview? Who is the Senator?
    I want to look objectively at the pros and cons here but I just don't have enough facts. WRH is important for sure but for many highly specialised treatments I don't think people are too bothered about going a bit further to Dublin to it's centres of excellence and the experience they bring. And the reassurance that no doubt offers.


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    road_high
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    mydogjack wrote: »
    Ah this is a farce. W.R.H is riddled with bugs, and to be honest I'd rather take my chances in Dublin. W.R.H is our 'regional' but no Cancer, paeds etc. Seriously would not bother me as we have to travel to Dublin anyway for anyting Acutely serious. I smell a rat here.

    Yep. My point exactly. Anything major is invariably referred to Dublin for Kilkenny. I very rarely hear of anyone reffered to WRH so I'm not sure what the big change for Kilkenny patients would be. Nobody seems to be able to answer that.


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    mfitzy wrote: »

    Yep. My point exactly. Anything major is invariably referred to Dublin for Kilkenny. I very rarely hear of anyone reffered to WRH so I'm not sure what the big change for Kilkenny patients would be. Nobody seems to be able to answer that.

    Most specialties are WRH based, all visiting consultants who visit Lukes are based there so I am surprised you don't hear of people being referred there. Neuro and paeds apart everything else I can think of is routinely referred to Waterford.


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    Victor
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    you would rather travel 100miles to dublin than 30 to WRH for major/urgent work?
    The words "major" and "urgent" are not synonymous. If you need major and urgent work, you probably aren't doing the driving.

    Medical care needs to be provided at the appropriate level at appropriate locations. Doing brain surgery in Ballygobackwards doesn't make sense as the surgeon there has never done brain surgery. What you do want is to deal with people who deal with the same type of cases day in, day out - that is how you get the best care. In specialist treatment, that means there will only be a certain number of places that can do that treatment.

    Would you prefer to die in Kilkenny or Waterford than be treated in Dublin or Cork?


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    fuzzy dunlop
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    mfitzy wrote: »
    Yep. My point exactly. Anything major is invariably referred to Dublin for Kilkenny. I very rarely hear of anyone reffered to WRH so I'm not sure what the big change for Kilkenny patients would be. Nobody seems to be able to answer that.

    Like it or not Waterford is your main hospital.It is also closer to all of Kilkenny than any Dublin Hospital. That is before you even take into consideration things like traffic congestion. Serious Trauma Incidents are directed to WRH from anywhere South of Carlow e.g Car accidents drownings etc. Its also easy to say travelling to Dublin isn't an issue if your are under fifty.However it is a different storey entirely for geriatric patients or people with disabilities.


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    fuzzy dunlop
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    Victor wrote: »
    The words "major" and "urgent" are not synonymous. If you need major and urgent work, you probably aren't doing the driving.

    Medical care needs to be provided at the appropriate level at appropriate locations. Doing brain surgery in Ballygobackwards doesn't make sense as the surgeon there has never done brain surgery. What you do want is to deal with people who deal with the same type of cases day in, day out - that is how you get the best care. In specialist treatment, that means there will only be a certain number of places that can do that treatment.

    Would you prefer to die in Kilkenny or Waterford than be treated in Dublin or Cork?

    No I would prefer to have the same treatment available in our region.We have the population to support it.No one is suggesting putting anything in ballygobackwards. This is a straw man arguement.


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    catbear
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    fuzzy dunlop wrote: »
    Like it or not Waterford is your main hospital.It is also closer to all of Kilkenny than any Dublin Hospital. That is before you even take into consideration things like traffic congestion. Serious Trauma Incidents are directed to WRH from anywhere South of Carlow e.g Car accidents drownings etc. Its also easy to say travelling to Dublin isn't an issue if your are under fifty.However it is a different storey entirely for geriatric patients or people with disabilities.
    So you think it's acceptable that a patient go to Waterford first just to counter some waterford persecution complex when what the best treatment the patient needs is only available in Dublin?


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    fuzzy dunlop
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    catbear wrote: »
    So you think it's acceptable that a patient go to Waterford first just to counter some waterford persecution complex when what the best treatment the patient needs is only available in Dublin?


    Turkeys Vote for Christmas after all:rolleyes: No that is not what I said. What I said is there is enough people in the region already to justify most services being retained in the region. That is YOUR region as well.Any rationalisation should therefore be done within that region.What this is is that the population of the region is potentially being used to maintain services in Cork and Dublin. Explain how this is a result for anyone in Kilkenny. If it is just about administration that is fine as lomg as it doesn'r affect services but we don't know.And if it is then prepare to see the back of the HSE offices in KK.


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    catbear
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    The canal walk is around the back of the HSE office, thanks but I'm not into whatever kinky stuff you're into to.

    Anyway it a result for any person if they're not diverted from the treatment they need. Splitting the difference castlecomer is definitely closer to Dublin timewise.


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    fuzzy dunlop
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    catbear wrote: »
    The canal walk is around the back of the HSE office, thanks but I'm not into whatever kinky stuff you're into to..

    Well you seem to be the expert on the canal walk. I wasn't aware anything at all went on there so I'm sure we won't meet.
    catbear wrote: »
    . Splitting the difference castlecomer is definitely closer to Dublin timewise.

    No it isn't. But even if it was it has nothing to do with the arguement because for at least 20000 Kilkenny people living adjacent to Waterford WRH is there nearest hosptial. Maybe half the county if you go as far as Mullinavat. The point is WRH is as important to Kilkenny as St Lukes is.


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    catbear
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    fuzzy dunlop wrote: »
    Well you seem to be the expert on the canal walk. I wasn't aware anything at all went on there so I'm sure we won't meet.



    No it isn't. But even if it was it has nothing to do with the arguement because for at least 20000 Kilkenny people living adjacent to Waterford WRH is there nearest hosptial.
    So Castlecomer people don't really matter?

    Plus, you're the one who brought up going around the back of the HSE office. Thank you but no, not my scene so please stop bringing it up. There are other forums with likeminded people for that.


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    fuzzy dunlop
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    catbear wrote: »
    So Castlecomer people don't really matter?

    Plus, you're the one who brought up going around the back of the HSE office. Thank you but no, not my scene so please stop bringing it up. There are other forums with likeminded people for that.
    Actually you brought it up.I never mentioned the back of the HSE.I also never said castlecomer people did not matter.Learn to read!.


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    Max Powers
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    mfitzy wrote: »
    Any links to said interview? Who is the Senator?
    I want to look objectively at the pros and cons here but I just don't have enough facts. WRH is important for sure but for many highly specialised treatments I don't think people are too bothered about going a bit further to Dublin to it's centres of excellence and the experience they bring. And the reassurance that no doubt offers.


    Senator is David Cullinane, interview was on WLR so you can check there, i doubt it though, its about a week ago now.
    Fair enough, very highly specialised yeah but most specialisims things like cancer (specialist), heart problems etc should be in the region no? As i said, WRH is meant to be a centre of excellence for the region. I can understand some peoples apathy about this (as 1 poster pointed out, if you live in North KK, Dublin may be handier) but as far as i can estimate everything south of KK itself should be very concerned.


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    catbear
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    fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

    .And if it is then prepare to see the back of the HSE offices in KK.
    I can read fine fluffy. You're the one with interest in the back of the HSE office.


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    fuzzy dunlop
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    catbear wrote: »
    I can read fine fluffy. You're the one with interest in the back of the HSE office.

    No you obviously can't read properly.And you're obviously a pervert. You've turned a thread about a hospital merger into something about your own nocturnal fantasies. I never mentioned the back of the HSE. You were the first to mention it as well as the sexual inuendo. I said you will see the back of the HSE if the merger is about administration.In other words the administration will be moved from Kilkenny. I wasn't talking about a location behind the HSE buildings you idiot.


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    Captain Havoc
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    Cut it out you two, fuzzy dunlop infracted for personal abuse, catbear you're borderline for winding fuzzy dunlop up. Back on topic please.

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    catbear
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    fuzzy dunlop wrote: »


    .And if it is then prepare to see the back of the HSE offices in KK.
    Who's the idiot, reread your sentence. We're not mind readers so we've only got what write to understand your intent. Plus starting a discussion without a verifiable source is just sloppy. Tighten up.

    Edit to add: just saw mod notice, will keep it civil.


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    fuzzy dunlop
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    catbear wrote: »
    Who's the idiot, reread your sentence. We're not mind readers so we've only got what write to understand your intent. Plus starting a discussion without a verifiable source is just sloppy. Tighten up.

    Edit to add: just saw mod notice, will keep it civil.


    Well as I am not a mind reader perhaps you can tell me what goes on behind the HSE seeing as you brought this enigmatic place into the conversation.I used a turn of of phrase that is common parlance in the English Language wherever it is spoken.You associated it with some unspecified anti-social activity. And btw I didn't start the thread.So keep your own side of the street clean and tighten up on your reading.


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