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CSO press release regarding religious demographics
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18-10-2012 11:41am#1
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Females are 85.4% Roman Catholic and 4.9% No Religion, while Males are 82.9% Roman Catholic and 6.9% No Religion. I wonder where the difference arises?
I have no idea whatsoever why this appears to be the case.
If I were a man, and wanted to say something utterly sexist, I'd mention the word logic in a sentence.....
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To be an Athiest you have to believe that it is not possible there could be a god. If an Athiest was handed definitive proof of god they would still have to say there is no god.
particularly in relation to spelling.0 -
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When the first report came out earlier this year, we didn't have a proper breakdown by age group of the percentage of people having no religion. Now we do.
Overall % no religion has gone up across all age groups except the over 85s. Amongst the over 60s, it seems people haven't individually changed their beliefs much since the last census. Adults aged 30 to 60, though, have apparently become slightly less religious since last surveyed (around a percentage point or so for all age cohorts). Younger adults continue to show a marked increase in declaring themselves non-religious at around the age they leave home.
We can see a clear increase in the percentage of children classed as having no religion. The least religious children of all are those under one year of age, amongst whom 6.5% have no religion. This fits with the increase in recent years in adults of parenting age who declare that they have no religion.
Edit: added 2002 data too.0 -
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particularly in relation to spelling.
Whats wrong about it? That's even what they teach in Secondry schools in Ireland.0 -
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Peregrinus wrote: »I wouldn’t be so sure!
Since atheism doesn’t import any kind of practice requirement comparable to mass attendance, an exact analogy isn’t possible. But it could well be that a fair chunk of the 277,237 that koth mentions fail to conform to the platonic ideal of an atheist, so to speak, except that nobody has measured this yet.
They’ve measured it in the US, of course. (There are measures of everything there, if you look hard enough.) And there are some slightly surprising findings.
Among American atheists and agnostics, for example - that’s not including the no-religionists; it’s people who actively identify as atheist or agnostic - 16% say that religion is either very important or somewhat important to them. (Comparable figure for those the no-religionists: 42%; for those with a religious affiliation; 91%). 7% of atheists/agnostics say they are religious; 34% are spiritual but not religious; only 57% are neither. Startlingly, 24% of atheists/agnostics are either absolutely certain or fairly certain of the existence of a god or universal spirit. Another 14% have some degree of openness to the possibility while only 54% exclude it entirely. 6% of atheists/agnostics report that they pray daily(!) and a further 11% at least monthly. 75% of atheists/agnostics believe that religion plays an important role in helping the poor, 73% that it is important in building community bonds and 35% think that churches, etc, contribute a great deal, or some, to solving important social problems. 35% also agree that churches, etc, protect and strengthen morality in society.
Of course, these findings wouldn’t necessary be replicated in a study of Irish atheists and agnostics. Still, there’s a striking contrast there between some of those findings and the model of atheism/agnosticism which predominates on this Board. You can’t help feeling that if a similar study were undertaken of the view and attitudes of Irish atheists/agnostics, there might be a couple of “disparities” lurking in there.
Ha! That's mad altogether:-) Wasn't aware of that at all. Have to say, I thought atheism was about NOT believing in any deity. I'll take your point so
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An atheist looks for proof of any god and none is there, hence they do not believe in any god. An agnostic is prepared to believe it's possible, in spite of no proof and adopts a "we don't know, so wait and see" attitude, rather than one of disbelief.
If there was definitive proof of god, it would render disbelief null and void. Obviously. And that's what's wrong with your point AFAIK.
It's more that a/gnosticism is a statement about knowledhe (thats what gnostic means) whereas a/theism is about belief.
Someone who is gnostic claims to know something, so an agnostic is someone who claims to not have 100% evidence on a position.
Whereas an a/theist is someone with a position on a god claim.
It is therefore possible to be a gnostic theist (someone who is SURE there is a god), an agnostic theist (someone who admits they cannot have 100% evidence there is a god) and the opposite is true as well.
I am, disproving GarITs post, an agnostic atheist. I do not claim to know 100% there is no god: I have just never seen a single piece of convincing evidence for him. If I were handed convincing evidence tomorrow, I would reconsider. That's the point of trying to be rational.
Agnosticm and atheism are not different points on a sliding scale, but relative on an axis. I will dig out the standard image in a mo
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Ah, thankyou:-) That saves me a good bit of wallowing about in terminology! Ok, seems I'm an agnostic atheist too.
Most people I've talked to are
It's a weird thing though, I've seen many, many religious people try to make atheists fit the definition GarIT posted, I assume in an attempt to play the old "you're just like us when it comes down to it only you worship atheism instead of our god" but for the vast majority it simply is not true.0 -
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Doctor DooM wrote: »Most people I've talked to are
It's a weird thing though, I've seen many, many religious people try to make atheists fit the definition GarIT posted, I assume in an attempt to play the old "you're just like us when it comes down to it only you worship atheism instead of our god" but for the vast majority it simply is not true.
It's one of those bizarre arguments that's made.
"See you're just as irrational as we are!"0 -
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Agnosticm and atheism are not different points on a sliding scale, but relative on an axis. I will dig out the standard image in a mo
Far-right, Tea Bagger, Christine O'Donnell dumped her boyfriend because he believed he was going to heaven, but she knew she was, with 'absolute certainty'.
As good a reason as any. :rolleyes:0 -
Doctor DooM wrote: »It's a weird thing though, I've seen many, many religious people try to make atheists fit the definition GarIT posted, I assume in an attempt to play the old "you're just like us when it comes down to it only you worship atheism instead of our god" but for the vast majority it simply is not true.
Thats exactly how we were told it worked in school, still have it written down in an old copy
Literally what I have is "An Atheist does not believe in any higher power and believes that it is not possible that there is a higher power. An Agnostic person thinks there is no god but would be convinced otherwise if there was proof."
It would make you think that some things need to be changed but for this discussion I still think all children should be classed as no religion, or the census shouldnt be allowed to ask the religion of people under 18.0 -
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Thats exactly how we were told it worked in school, still have it written down in an old copy
Literally what I have is "An Atheist does not believe in any higher power and believes that it is not possible that there is a higher power. An Agnostic person thinks there is no god but would be convinced otherwise if there was proof."
It would make you think that some things need to be changed but for this discussion I still think all children should be classed as no religion, or the census shouldnt be allowed to ask the religion of people under 18.
I suppose if it was a religious school it makes sense to make atheists seem silly and dogmatic!0 -
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It's how I was taught it in school too. It's a simplified version for consumption by children. Sadly, religious instruction in this country never rises above that level, and most people retain this misconception.Thats exactly how we were told it worked in school, still have it written down in an old copy
Literally what I have is "An Atheist does not believe in any higher power and believes that it is not possible that there is a higher power. An Agnostic person thinks there is no god but would be convinced otherwise if there was proof."0 -
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Jaysus, an Irish school teaching something incorrect; who would have thunk it?Thats exactly how we were told it worked in school, still have it written down in an old copy
Literally what I have is "An Atheist does not believe in any higher power and believes that it is not possible that there is a higher power. An Agnostic person thinks there is no god but would be convinced otherwise if there was proof."
It would make you think that some things need to be changed but for this discussion I still think all children should be classed as no religion, or the census shouldnt be allowed to ask the religion of people under 18.
Incidentally there's a whole thread of 'Most Incorrect Things You Were Taught' over in AH, if you want more examples of top-notch Irish school teaching.0 -
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