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Frankie Boyle vs. The Daily Mirror

  • 15-10-2012 09:36PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭


    http://www.digitalspy.ie/media/news/a430781/frankie-boyle-accuses-the-mirror-of-serious-libel-after-racist-tag.html
    Frankie Boyle has today told a jury at the High Court that he was "very seriously libelled" by a Mirror article that described him as a "racist comedian"....

    ....The lawyer representing Boyle said in court today that the comic's reputation had been severely damaged by the article, and so he was seeking vindication and damages from Mirror Group Newspapers....

    .....But Mirror Group Newspapers stands by its accusation of racism, and the court heard that the publisher intends to use examples of Boyle's jokes, including material from his Channel 4 show Tramadol Nights, to prove the allegation.


    Personally I find it rather amusing that a comedian who bases much of his comedy on hurling insults at other people, takes such offence when someone does the same to him. Still, the printed word seems to be much more of a legal minefield than the verbal kind.

    Did The Mirror have a point calling Boyle racist, or should comedians be free to tell any joke they want without being labelled as sexist/racist/homophobic by the press?

    I think the outcome of this case will be very interesting.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Hypocrite


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Comedians should be free to tell any jokes they want, but others should also be free to express their opinions in response.

    His whole act is based on being purposely offensive/bigoted, he perpetuates that with his childish 'shock humour' all the time, so what's he complaining about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    If the Mirror can show that Boyle hates people based purely on the colour of their skin or their ethnic origin, then I hope they win. If they can't, as I expect, then I hope he wins a shedload from them, and hopefully it will teach people that terms such as racist and racism have very specific meanings and shouldn't be thrown around like confetti at a wedding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,374 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Going to be very hard for him to prove too. He did a lot of stuff on Tramadol Nights in particular that could be termed as racist. He claims satire when he's using words like 'pakis' and '****' but it's going to be very difficult to get that stand up in court. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/23/frankie-boyle-tramadol-nights


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭youreadthat


    It must be wrong to print "racist comedian". It implies that he is a person who has genuine racist views, which is silly and unproven.

    It would be better to say "the comedian who uses race as a basis for some deliberately provocative jokes", but it's the Mirror...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,887 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Was the article intended as humour or a statement of fact? I think that's where the difference might lie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Mock the week hasnt been the same since he left


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    He's a typical comedian that loves to throw out insults that frequently step the mark, but anything remotely negative back and he clams up like the little biyatch he is.... OH and he probably has the most punchable face on TV. Apart from that he's quite funny


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Boyle isn't racist he's an equal opportunity abuser. To put him in the same category as Jim Davidson is not only absurd and probably libelous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,589 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I've never thought of him as racist despite his style and material.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    nocoverart wrote: »
    He's a typical comedian that loves to throw out insults that frequently step the mark, but anything remotely negative back and he clams up like the little biyatch he is.... OH and he probably has the most punchable face on TV. Apart from that he's quite funny


    That honour goes to Ryan Tubridy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Going to be very hard for him to prove too. He did a lot of stuff on Tramadol Nights in particular that could be termed as racist. He claims satire when he's using words like 'pakis' and '****' but it's going to be very difficult to get that stand up in court. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/23/frankie-boyle-tramadol-nights

    You see, I get what he's trying to say there - I would definitely class those two jokes as satire. He wasn't being offensive to black or asian people, rather he was mocking the way the western media portrays such people.
    However, the fact there were complaints to Ofcom could be used as a defence by The Mirror, i.e; he clearly offended people based on the terms he used.

    In this article, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341263/Revulsion-racist-jokes-fuel-calls-Channel-4-sack-Frankie-Boyle.html., it mentions that Ofcom were assessing whether Boyle broke the broadcasting code when using racist language. Not sure what the outcome of their findings were, though.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Tabloids like the mirror have done more to promote racist xenophobic views throughout the years than any comedian. They endeavour to incite hatred and fear in every paper they sell, so **** them and the horse they rode in on I hope they lose and lose in a big way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    He's not racist, a lot of his material is satire. It's somewhat similar to accusing the producers of Brass Eye of making light of paedophilia, when in fact the target is the media perception itself

    In a similar fashion, I think he's also been accused of homophobia and take the joke below as an example.

    It's actually a good comment on how the media and public stereotype gay men rather than a homophobic joke


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Going to be very hard for him to prove too. He did a lot of stuff on Tramadol Nights in particular that could be termed as racist. He claims satire when he's using words like 'pakis' and '****' but it's going to be very difficult to get that stand up in court. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/23/frankie-boyle-tramadol-nights

    Its blatantly obvious he uses it to satire racism.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Frankie Boyle is hit and miss but he is not a racist. His comedy is clearly satirical. He is not mocking black/gay/etc people, he is mocking our/media's ways of tackling such issues.

    People on this thread are allowing their personal view of Boyle to cloud the actual facts of this case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin



    Personally I find it rather amusing that a comedian who bases much of his comedy on hurling insults at other people, takes such offence when someone does the same to him. ,...........

    They didn't insult him. They described him, in a factual manner, as a "racist comedian".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    Nodin wrote: »
    Its blatantly obvious he uses it to satire racism.

    It is not satire, nor is it racism in my opinion. He relies on shock value for much of his humour.
    To call it satire is I feel giving Frankie too much credit. This is the same guy who like to tell Maddie McCann jokes, purely shock shclock nothing else.

    He can be funny though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I remember watching this when it came out first and I fell to the floor with laughter



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    dirtyden wrote: »
    It is not satire, nor is it racism in my opinion. ............

    Trust me, its satire....
    At Geneva other countries would have agreed not to use aeroplanes for bombing purposes, but we insisted on reserving the right, as D. puts it, to bomb niggers!
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Lloyd_George


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




    We just dont see dark jokes like this anymore on tv, gone to ****ing pc

    Frankie is brilliant with the one liners but I never really gotten the same laughs out of his stage shows


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    I've a few short points to make on this.

    Firstly, if Frankie Boyle is to be found guilty of being a racist based on his comedy, then many, many other comedians better watch their backs. Frankie Boyle attacks pretty much every vulnerable group in his shows, it's what he does. Handicapped and abused children, cancer victims, celebrities, different races, everything. If you don't like it, that's fair enough. I happen to find him quite funny because he is so harsh, much moreso than most other comedians at the moment.

    Secondly, it's quite clear to anyone with a brain that he is not a racist. I know it's a complete copout to say this, but for anyone who follows him on Twitter you will know that most of the music he listens to and Tweets is hip-hop and rap. He's an intelligent guy with a strong media persona that he uses to back up his on-screen image, and his comedy is clearly satirical.

    It will be interesting to see how the case unfolds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    He's probably the funniest person to follow on twitter.
    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle
    Jahmene looks like Lewis Hamilton got his head stuck in a pint glass #xfactor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Cienciano wrote: »
    He's probably the funniest person to follow on twitter.

    http://www.joe.ie/uploads/story/27430/BoyleFrankie%20tweet.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    Can we just change this thread to 'Frankie Boyle's best bits'. I forgotten the pussy is haunted line, pure gold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    They should have just used facts. Facts like "Frankie Boyle is a Cu*t"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭Fizman


    This is one racist I'm looking forward to seeing on Dec 7th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭smokedeels


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    He's not racist, a lot of his material is satire. It's somewhat similar to accusing the producers of Brass Eye of making light of paedophilia, when in fact the target is the media perception itself

    In a similar fashion, I think he's also been accused of homophobia and take the joke below as an example.

    It's actually a good comment on how the media and public stereotype gay men rather than a homophobic joke

    Spot on. I remember a Stewart Lee show a few years ago in which he spoke about the worry he felt when doing a satirical piece of comedy on a subject like race as it could be seen some night at 1am on the Paramount Comedy Channel by somebody not well versed in satire.

    I'm sure a sizable amount of the Pub Landlord's audience thought he was legit as they chuckled along.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    Einhard wrote: »
    If the Mirror can show that Boyle hates people based purely on the colour of their skin or their ethnic origin, then I hope they win. If they can't, as I expect, then I hope he wins a shedload from them, and hopefully it will teach people that terms such as racist and racism have very specific meanings and shouldn't be thrown around like confetti at a wedding.

    If Matthew Woods can be locked up for paraphrasing a joke from sickipedia, something he never created, then surely Boyle can be accused of being a racist based on the 'jokes' he created.


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