TRACTORS

letterkenny man

hi der looking 2 buy sumthing about 90/100hp only be for 1350gal tanker ground a bit hilly taking in bales sowing fert etc but cant make up my mind thinking all diff kinds mf 4355/390t fiat 80/90 100/90 or NHts100/ts115 THANKS

pgodkin

letterkenny man wrote: »

hi der looking 2 buy sumthing about 90/100hp only be for 1350gal tanker ground a bit hilly taking in bales sowing fert etc but cant make up my mind thinking all diff kinds mf 4355/390t fiat 80/90 100/90 or NHts100/ts115 THANKS

I might get shot for suggesting this but seen these recently and they look a good tractor, http://www.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/tractors/4024124



price on them seems really good aswell, if i work out the exchange rates, it's a brand new tractor for 20-25k 100hp, perkins engine

Thing i like about them is that there fairly simple no massive on board computer that makes you feel like you need a degree in computer science to work!

Has anybody tried these out would liek to hear your taughts on them

letterkenny man

looks good wonder wat there like

maidhc

pgodkin wrote: »

I might get shot for suggesting this but seen these recently and they look a good tractor,

Id take a Zetor anyday.

The 100hp one is more equivalent in size to a Ford 4000 than say a TS.

Parts resale etc all will militate against it.

Personally Id buy a clean secondhand NH.

pgodkin

maidhc wrote: »

Id take a Zetor anyday.

The 100hp one is more equivalent in size to a Ford 4000 than say a TS.

Parts resale etc all will militate against it.

Personally Id buy a clean secondhand NH.

Agreed but if you search for this tractor on youtube, i came across this

i think it a couple of years old but in they state that there is a 3 year warrenty on these tractors plus the oil filters etc are like 50% the price of the same stuff for a JD/NH/Case etc... dont know if this is still going but that's failry good

On the point of buying second hand tractors i know a few lads who have bought clean gear and have had nothing but problems with them

I'll pick new over used every day of the week if the pocket could afford it!!

The Nutty M

pgodkin wrote: »

Agreed but if you search for this tractor on youtube, i came across this

i think it a couple of years old but in they state that there is a 3 year warrenty on these tractors plus the oil filters etc are like 50% the price of the same stuff for a JD/NH/Case etc... dont know if this is still going but that's failry good

On the point of buying second hand tractors i know a few lads who have bought clean gear and have had nothing but problems with them

I'll pick new over used every day of the week if the pocket could afford it!!

That HTT is the very same as our Valtra A95 other than the engine and a few little bits inside the cab.I was looking at it at the ploughing 3 years ago and nearly committed to buying one but the Valtra came up at an unbeatable price.
We've had no major trouble with the Valtra (other than the oil cooler bursting twice which is a known fault) and it does what is needed around the farm.It pulls a low loader with 16bales up severe hills and easily beats a 6330 doing the same job with 14bales.It pulls a 1600gallon tanker.I mow our grass with a trailed condition mower with it and it's grand. It does the silage with the sheargrab and front loader.It brings in bales. The only real fault I have with it is it has a very light backend.Having a bale on the front loader up high and braking hard will lift the back wheels off the ground easily.

New or second hand machinery can suffer problems so looking at buying new and thinking no problems will arise is like a lottery.

reilig

Biggest problem with these cheap tractor is massive depreciation in a short period and ultimately a very low resale value. Resale values of a 5 year old version of them can be less than 50% of purchase price - even with low hours, as secondhand versions can be hard resold.

pgodkin

The Nutty M wrote: »

That HTT is the very same as our Valtra A95 other than the engine and a few little bits inside the cab.I was looking at it at the ploughing 3 years ago and nearly committed to buying one but the Valtra came up at an unbeatable price.
We've had no major trouble with the Valtra (other than the oil cooler bursting twice which is a known fault) and it does what is needed around the farm.It pulls a low loader with 16bales up severe hills and easily beats a 6330 doing the same job with 14bales.It pulls a 1600gallon tanker.I mow our grass with a trailed condition mower with it and it's grand. It does the silage with the sheargrab and front loader.It brings in bales. The only real fault I have with it is it has a very light backend.Having a bale on the front loader up high and braking hard will lift the back wheels off the ground easily.

New or second hand machinery can suffer problems so looking at buying new and thinking no problems will arise is like a lottery.

Not true, at least with new gear you have warrenty and service.... i have seen lads buy trucks and trailers and think they are great for buying second hand, lookin at there books over 5 years they put as much into it as the repayment on a new tractor

reilig wrote: »

Biggest problem with these cheap tractor is massive depreciation in a short period and ultimately a very low resale value. Resale values of a 5 year old version of them can be less than 50% of purchase price - even with low hours, as secondhand versions can be hard resold.

Re-sale value is a hugh issue, but kept on the same farm i cant see a tractor not last 10-15 years with reguarly servicing and a bit of care. after that time, it should have paid for it self and anything you get for it would be nice

I wouldnt be buying this thinking I'll upgrade to a JD in three years if things go well.... plus re-sale value has a lot to do with people's views on the machinery 10/15 years ago you couldnt give away a second hand zetor, now there re-sale value seems to be in line with other brands, from what i can see this is a newish tractor to the irish market.. and not a bad option for what the op is looking for

Just my taughts on it, not saying that this would be a good buy, buy surly it must be considered, I would love to get one out on demo for a week or two and put it through it's paces at least then you know or at least have an idea what your buying

reilig

pgodkin wrote: »

Re-sale value is a hugh issue, but kept on the same farm i cant see a tractor not last 10-15 years with reguarly servicing and a bit of care. after that time, it should have paid for it self and anything you get for it would be nice

I wouldnt be buying this thinking I'll upgrade to a JD in three years if things go well.... plus re-sale value has a lot to do with people's views on the machinery 10/15 years ago you couldnt give away a second hand zetor, now there re-sale value seems to be in line with other brands, from what i can see this is a newish tractor to the irish market.. and not a bad option for what the op is looking for

Just my taughts on it, not saying that this would be a good buy, buy surly it must be considered, I would love to get one out on demo for a week or two and put it through it's paces at least then you know or at least have an idea what your buying

I wouldn't look at it like that. In 2009, my next door neighbour bought a 90hp New Holland. In 2009, he traded it against a 105hp New Holland. His trade in allowance was about Eur1000 less than he paid for the 90hp tractor 9 years earlier. He paid Eur30k for it and got Eur29k of an allowance against the new tractor.

Not many people buy a tractor with the expectation that it will lose half its value within a few years. Your comparison with zetors isn't acurate. Cheaper zetors that were sold in Ireland in the 1970'2, 1980's and early 1990's depreciated fairly fast and even today do not command high money - even if the tractor has low hours. New zetors are proven machines, They command high prices, are reliable and have low depreciation rates for this reason.

The tractor that you link above is a generic tractor - there are other manufacturers building on the same platform (perhaps with slightly different panels and colours). But they all use the same low spec perkins engine. These tractors all market themselves in the same way - cheap.

Loads of people were taught an expensive lesson with these cheap tractors in the past. Many people learned that a low hours second hand tractor was a far better investment than a cheap, new tractor. You see, a lot of people bought these tractors with the same thoughts that you have - I'll drive this forever, I'll never need a bigger tractor. Farming practices change. Machines get bigger or require higher HP. If you have a tractor that has lost half its value in a short time, then your options to upgrade your tractor if you need to are limited unless you have deep pockets.

In my opinion, buying a tractor like this is madness. Buy a recognised brand new or secondhand and you will be assured of a proper price if you ever decide to trade it.

caseman

pgodkin wrote: »

I might get shot for suggesting this but seen these recently and they look a good tractor, http://www.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/tractors/4024124



price on them seems really good aswell, if i work out the exchange rates, it's a brand new tractor for 20-25k 100hp, perkins engine

Thing i like about them is that there fairly simple no massive on board computer that makes you feel like you need a degree in computer science to work!

Has anybody tried these out would liek to hear your taughts on them

I think the retail at 35000 euro.

MidlandsM

caseman wrote: »

I think the retail at 35000 euro.

so, a turkish made yoke licenced by valtra......

MMMMMmmmmmmmmm, and €35k ........they're avin' a TURKISH!

13spanner

We've a Kubota m108s and we're happy out with her. She's just above the 100hp mark and the father has never had as much praise for a yoke before

Conor556

caseman wrote: »

I think the retail at 35000 euro.

I dont think its worth the risk. my uncle recently bought a new zetor proxima 90 with a rossmore FL 60 loader with softride for about €43000 and I think the thread has gone offtrack the man is looking for advice on a tractor he wasnt looking for a discussion about these turkish heaps of ****! Back to the main topic you cant go 2 wrong with the TS new hollands or the 390ts and have a look around and see what good local new holland or massey dealers you have around for parts servicing ect.

keep going

personally i prefer tl new hollands but thats me.just a couple of notes on the vid.,is that a krone mower and wasnt he going awful slow or is that me

kevthegaff

the kubota sound like a good tractor, i have a 110-90- cheap parts, powerful, handy on diesel, basic but a good yoke

iverjohnston

Hi, depends on your preference to be honest. All mainstream makers are pretty OK. Every make will have some small problem worth watching for, but I'll just mention the ones I actually have knowledge off. John Deere 6600,6800 etc are very good all round, hold their value really well. Drove a New Holland 8360 that was a smashing tractor, and very reliable. Ford 7840's are almost totally bullet proof, but perhaps better to avoid the SLE gearboxes. Have a 1983 Fiat 90-90, mechanically brilliant, could be fond of clutches if doing loader work. Cab rust a disaster for the older one's like mine. Also, if you are over 5 foot 10 in height, the cabs are tight, and you will be crouching down to see out the screen
iver..

sea12

13spanner wrote: »

We've a Kubota m108s and we're happy out with her. She's just above the 100hp mark and the father has never had as much praise for a yoke before

What's the tractor in the middle. Is it a mf 350 or a 362. Do u find it hard on fuel.

poor farmer

letterkenny man wrote: »

hi der looking 2 buy sumthing about 90/100hp only be for 1350gal tanker ground a bit hilly taking in bales sowing fert etc but cant make up my mind thinking all diff kinds mf 4355/390t fiat 80/90 100/90 or NHts100/ts115 THANKS

My choice out of that list would be the TS 115 ,hard to beat 6 cylinder for tanker work .

13spanner

sea12 wrote: »

What's the tractor in the middle. Is it a mf 350 or a 362. Do u find it hard on fuel.

Off the top of my head it's a MF 362, the neighbours one. Lovely little tractor. The far off MF was bought new in 1993, and is still almost perfect, it's a credit to the owner. If it's the Kubota you're asking about, then yes she's a winner when it comes to diesel, very economical. It has its ups and downs like any other one, but so far so good!

flatout11

letterkenny man wrote: »

hi der looking 2 buy sumthing about 90/100hp only be for 1350gal tanker ground a bit hilly taking in bales sowing fert etc but cant make up my mind thinking all diff kinds mf 4355/390t fiat 80/90 100/90 or NHts100/ts115 THANKS

personally the masseys you mentioned are good straight tactors but if you want a bt of grip and stability on hilly grounfd with a tanker id pass on them , also there too dear for what they are, as regards the fiats the 100-90 is a good machine basic enough.
personally from the list id prefer the ts115 will have tucks of power (get the turbo sle model), but you should be able to pick up a 7840 or 8340 fairly handy there is a lot of them knocking about, or you may find a 8160 or 8260 about well fit for work

ShepStokes

I'm looking for a tractor circa 100HP with loader (ideally a Quicke). Had an NH TS80 on test but lacked a bit of power and seemed to have a light back end. I'm heading to Edinburgh in the next few weeks for work and wonder if anyone knows a reputable dealer. Any other suggestions regarding tractors I should look at or approaches I should take would be really welcome. Don't want to spend too much as tractor feed round bales to cattle and does max 100 hrs per year

yellow50HX

ShepStokes wrote: »

I'm looking for a tractor circa 100HP with loader (ideally a Quicke). Had an NH TS80 on test but lacked a bit of power and seemed to have a light back end. I'm heading to Edinburgh in the next few weeks for work and wonder if anyone knows a reputable dealer. Any other suggestions regarding tractors I should look at or approaches I should take would be really welcome. Don't want to spend too much as tractor feed round bales to cattle and does max 100 hrs per year

if its main working as a loader then maybe a SH digger would be better.

for the same money as a 20yo tractor you would get something with a heavy duty loader and power shuttle. cira 25k for a 100hp tractor and loader with those.

tanko

Saw an 02 McCormick 100 hp with 5000 hours and a Quicke loader for €14K on donedeal last week. Dont know what kind of condition it was in but it sold very quickly.

twin_beacon

letterkenny man wrote: »

hi der looking 2 buy sumthing about 90/100hp only be for 1350gal tanker ground a bit hilly taking in bales sowing fert etc but cant make up my mind thinking all diff kinds mf 4355/390t fiat 80/90 100/90 or NHts100/ts115 THANKS

for what my opinion is worth, id go with the 4255 out of that selection. We have a 17 year old 4245, given very little trouble. Although I believe the earlier power shuttle models did give some bother.
390T is a great machine, but are very overpriced. Also, they stopped making them 20 years ago, so a clean low hour tractor will be hard to find, and you will pay a premium price.

Fiat 90 series are one of the best models of tractors ever built! Big difference from the 80-90 to the 100-90. The 80-90 is 4 cylinder, 100-90 is 6. Bear in mind, when most 100-90s were bought, they were considered big tractors, and would have had a much harder life than an 80-90.

I have no experience with NH TS, lots of experience with the TL series. Bigger tractors than a 4255 or 390T, which are 4 cylinder, TS is 6.

yellow50HX

twin_beacon wrote: »

for what my opinion is worth, id go with the 4255 out of that selection. We have a 17 year old 4245, given very little trouble. Although I believe the earlier power shuttle models did give some bother.
390T is a great machine, but are very overpriced. Also, they stopped making them 20 years ago, so a clean low hour tractor will be hard to find, and you will pay a premium price.

Fiat 90 series are one of the best models of tractors ever built! Big difference from the 80-90 to the 100-90. The 80-90 is 4 cylinder, 100-90 is 6. Bear in mind, when most 100-90s were bought, they were considered big tractors, and would have had a much harder life than an 80-90.

I have no experience with NH TS, lots of experience with the TL series. Bigger tractors than a 4255 or 390T, which are 4 cylinder, TS is 6.

depends on the TS up to 110 are 4 pot, 115 onwards 6 pot.

yellow50HX

tanko wrote: »

Saw an 02 McCormick 100 hp with 5000 hours and a Quicke loader for €14K on donedeal last week. Dont know what kind of condition it was in but it sold very quickly.

like many other i have spent ages looking at this sized machine and pro's and con of each. went with a NH 7740 for the budget i had. if i was able to i would have gone with a TS100 (110) with power shuttle but they were out of my price range.

budget is very important for these types of tractors as if your doing low hours its hard to justify spending 20k for a decent one.

tractor around 10k with loader big enough for heavy bales are rough n ready,

Wessel3

from what you have listed OP. you have listed some of the collectable models with very good press and reputation. only thing I would say is they are expensive for what they are.
I would recommend the following for what you are suggesting:
ford 7840- https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/ford-newholland-7840/16520575
mf 5455/65 https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-5455-/16371382   https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/07-massey-5465/16117753
mf 6265 https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-6265/16462121 https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/2000-massey-ferguson-6265/14405016
slightly older but still good. mf 3095~: https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-3095/16617327
there are may more im sure

Wessel3

forgot  JD 6410/ 6420/30 excellent machines

yellow50HX

Wessel3 wrote: »

forgot  JD 6410/ 6420/30 excellent machines

the 10 series were great 20/30 not so much

C0N0R

Wessel3 wrote: »

from what you have listed OP. you have listed some of the collectable models with very good press and reputation. only thing I would say is they are expensive for what they are.
I would recommend the following for what you are suggesting:
ford 7840- https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/ford-newholland-7840/16520575
mf 5455/65 https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-5455-/16371382   https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/07-massey-5465/16117753
mf 6265 https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-6265/16462121 https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/2000-massey-ferguson-6265/14405016
slightly older but still good. mf 3095~: https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-3095/16617327
there are may more im sure

I'd hope in the five years since this thread was started the op managed to find a suitable tractor!

lakill Farm

tanko wrote: »

Saw an 02 McCormick 100 hp with 5000 hours and a Quicke loader for €14K on donedeal last week. Dont know what kind of condition it was in but it sold very quickly.

Have a 2006 McCormick cx105 de luxe cab here. Electronic shuttle. Some of the 105 and almost all the 90 and 100 have a manual shuttle.

Gave 17k Sterling 3 years ago for it with 3200 hours and a fresh mx loader

cute geoge

lakill Farm wrote: »

Have a 2006 McCormick cx105 de luxe cab here. Electronic shuttle. Some of the 105 and almost all the 90 and 100 have a manual shuttle.

Gave 17k Sterling 3 years ago for it with 3200 hours and a fresh mx loader

Where is the best place to source a tractor like that .I know the journal has ads from a few big dealers in the north but is there any comeback or guarantee if you buy in the north

lakill Farm

cute geoge wrote: »

Where is the best place to source a tractor like that .I know the journal has ads from a few big dealers in the north but is there any comeback or guarantee if you buy in the north

I bought off a McCormick dealer at the time. And I got 6 month guarantee. I traded a tractor against it. But the tractor was 17k asking price.

I asked a McCormick dealer down here recently and he said my tractor would be worth 25/27k as a trade in

Genemccarthy

Brought a secondhand tractor off finnerty tractor sales in Galway mostly advertising on done deal ...BEWARE made a deal for jobs to be done to tractor on delivery and paid full price,he’s son dropped down tractor with no jobs done and when I rang him he told me they were working when they left he’s yard.dont be fooled he’s a COWBOY

Joe Daly

Genemccarthy wrote: »

Brought a secondhand tractor off finnerty tractor sales in Galway mostly advertising on done deal ...BEWARE made a deal for jobs to be done to tractor on delivery and paid full price,he’s son dropped down tractor with no jobs done and when I rang him he told me they were working when they left he’s yard.dont be fooled he’s a COWBOY

You had right to tell he wouldn't be working if he didn't honour the deal , you hadn't right to pay him until it landed in the yard.

Bazzer007

Genemccarthy wrote: »

Brought a secondhand tractor off finnerty tractor sales in Galway mostly advertising on done deal ...BEWARE made a deal for jobs to be done to tractor on delivery and paid full price,he’s son dropped down tractor with no jobs done and when I rang him he told me they were working when they left he’s yard.dont be fooled he’s a COWBOY

Sorry to hear that. In fairness most sellers won’t leave a tractor out of their yard without paying the full amount. That’s no way to do business, a deal is a deal. I’ve seen Finnerty’s ads on DD will avoid like the plague now & plenty other fellas will do the same. Hope you didn’t have to do much tidying.

Muckit

Sorry to hear that. What sort of things had ye agreed needed to be done? Just to get an idea of scale of scam.

If it's the same lad l don't think he's too many years selling tractors and l think he was a plant hire contractor going back years.

Bass Reeves

Went into his yard last August to look at an old loader. He is all guff. It was not as good as he told me over the phone. I listened to him taking a call about another piece of machinery. The last lad that had it retired it was doing nothing for 2-3 years, immaculate you would not leave without buying . Similar yarn he told me ex Council, was in a yard of a retired farmer for 3-4 years, no rust (if I found any I could have it for free, floor was half rotten under the matt, he did not give it to me to take away) it had to be jump started, lights must have been left on was started 3-4 days ago. Bla bla bla.
No machinery was very clean in the yard. It's a bug bear of mine lads selling tractors or machinery with loads of work to be done to them before they are dropped off. His tractors were at the upper end of the price range for the years and hours not to mind condition. Half a day wasted but at least my money was still in my pocket. I hope there was not a lot of work to be done to it but I suspect there was. Was there a written warranty.

I bought after that a good clean tractor with a loader. There was only 2-3 small jobs to be done. A switch not working, a beacon needed and it had to be service it arrived down with jobs done a pipe replaced that they spotted was leaking as loading onto truck. It was Brogan's in Aughrim and I would have no fear going back again. Deposit of 1 K aid the day I bought it and remainder paid in the yard on delivery and he gave me a nice luck penny. But I would not go back to the other yard to look at something again. I go so far as to say I would not stop if I was passing

Aravo

Dealers love selling machinery to people far far away. Less likely to come back. The lad/lassie down the road would be back the whole time and talking about them.

trabpc

The "ex council" tractor is like the lady driver nonsense put out by car dealers. The council tractors in fairness are serviced on the button but they do cover alot of ground and can be going all day from 8 to 4pm especially the ones in the bigger parks in Dublin and cork etc. And have different drivers on a weekly basis. Some drivers can be very tough with them. You'd be surprised how many manholes covers have been taken in by roller mowers. And other stupid damage caused by drivers (alot from non farming backgrounds). Some guys driving around with 4wd constantly on roads ect.
I wouldn't give anymore for a council owned one vs private. Councils usually get rid of in auctions in Kingswood and other auctions for good reason

Bass Reeves

Aravo wrote: »

Dealers love selling machinery to people far far away. Less likely to come back. The lad/lassie down the road would be back the whole time and talking about them.

The lad from a distance away will not not return for small issue (mind you most warranty's on older tractors are for moving parts only) but the risk works out the same for the dealer as if anything major goes he will be back and the tractors being further away will add to repair costs.

A dealer that acts the maggot to a far away customer will do the same to a local customer. On tractors or larger machinery 80 miles as in my case is not a distance to travel to look for a tractor. When buying a tractor you list your priority's of you needs for your budget, HP, 4WD/2WD, Shuttle/ no shuttle, manual/power, make's, loader or not, etc etc.

Local machinery dealer love the local lad coming in that that will not travel to save money on Machinery or tractors. They know they can put a saddle on his back.

trabpc wrote: »

The "ex council" tractor is like the lady driver nonsense put out by car dealers. The council tractors in fairness are serviced on the button but they do cover alot of ground and can be going all day from 8 to 4pm especially the ones in the bigger parks in Dublin and cork etc. And have different drivers on a weekly basis. Some drivers can be very tough with them. You'd be surprised how many manholes covers have been taken in by roller mowers. And other stupid damage caused by drivers (alot from non farming backgrounds). Some guys driving around with 4wd constantly on roads ect.
I wouldn't give anymore for a council owned one vs private. Councils usually get rid of in auctions in Kingswood and other auctions for good reason

It was an ex Council loader I was looking at. There is no way an ex council loader will have got any of the dogging loaders owned by other people. Most council tractors have nothing done compared to contractors or farming machines. Sure they will have hours put up. Diesel engines love work. It is back end work that is hard on tractors. As you said council machinery is serviced and repaired on the button. Have an ex council CX80 2wd tractor here with over 10k hours, most of the time I think the engine was running to keep the lad sitting on the seat warm. It like a clean tractor with 60% of the hours or less but they still show on the clock.

The reasons Councils sell at auctions is that they have to sell in a fair and even manner just like they have to tender fairly all work under EU regulations. An post sell its vans much the same way but lads tender for lots. Most big companies that buy equipment as opposed to leasing either tender out or sell at auction such as the ESB, Bord na Mona etc.

The point I was making about that dealer was it was my opinion he was selling a story with every machine, I remember as well ringing about tractor and there was a similar story as well, farm down the road, doing nothing except a feeding few bales and a bit of topping. Maybe ring him about something in the yard and see what I mean.

390kid

Genemccarthy wrote: »

Brought a secondhand tractor off finnerty tractor sales in Galway mostly advertising on done deal ...BEWARE made a deal for jobs to be done to tractor on delivery and paid full price,he’s son dropped down tractor with no jobs done and when I rang him he told me they were working when they left he’s yard.dont be fooled he’s a COWBOY

Funny enough was over with him during the week looking for a track machine! Few things I cudnt put my finger on but it all could add up now

Limestone Cowboy

390kid wrote: »

Funny enough was over with him during the week looking for a track machine! Few things I cudnt put my finger on but it all could add up now

I was there a few months ago aswell looking for a track machine. Didn't even get out of the jeep after driving up, everything looked rough.

390kid

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I was there a few months ago aswell looking for a track machine. Didn't even get out of the jeep after driving up, everything looked rough.

The 2 I eye balled up looked 100% one was fully refurbished so I was told. Mechanicaly was what was concerning me

divillybit

Lucky I googled Finnertys to see where exactly they were... Was gonna look at a tractor he has advertised but after reading this thread I think I'll pass