"Gay pride" ...

Allah_

Now I ain't no homophobe, BUT...

Why do gay pride parades have to be so gay? I mean if you want conservative folk to accept homosexuality, why would you prance around the streets in fish net stockings and drag queen costumes and bikinis etc.?

Gay parades are fine but the more outrageous they are the worse it'll become for the LGBT community. It will just provoke the homophobes.

Just a thought...

Any gays here that can add their opinion?

Mickey H

Allah_ wrote: »

Now I ain't no homophobe, BUT...

Why do gay pride parades have to be so gay? I mean if you want conservative folk to accept homosexuality, why would you prance around the streets in fish net stockings and drag queen costumes and bikinis etc.?

Gay parades are fine but the more outrageous they are the worse it'll become for the LGBT community. It will just provoke the homophobes.

Just a thought...

Any gays here that can add their opinion?

They just do.

The Gnome

Because it's fabulous.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Allah_ wrote: »

Now I ain't no homophobe, BUT...

Why do gay pride parades have to be so gay? I mean if you want conservative folk to accept homosexuality, why would you prance around the streets in fish net stockings and drag queen costumes and bikinis etc.?

Google transgenderism. The LGBT Pride Parades aren't just about gay people, they're about Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual AND Transgender people and others who want to express themselves for who they are.

Allah_ wrote: »

Gay parades are fine but the more outrageous they are the worse it'll become for the LGBT community. It will just provoke the homophobes.

By the same train of logic, one could argue that hot girls in bikinis parading down O'Connell Street provokes heterophobia.

Allah_ wrote: »

Any gays here that can add their opinion?

Yours truly,

Sir.

Lingua Franca

Why do St Patrick's parades have to be so stereotypical and plastic paddy?

Why is Easter all about the chocolate and Christmas all about the gifts?

Why is every celebration not more subdued and serious?

Join in or roll your eyes and walk away.

Peregrinus

Allah_ wrote: »

Now I ain't no homophobe, BUT...

Why do gay pride parades have to be so gay?

Isn't that kind of the point?

phoenix999

Spread the love. Just a bit of fun. They don't harm anyone, and we all need the laugh in NAMA land.

Fart

Thread is gay!

Esoteric_

Because it's about gay PRIDE. Ie, being as 'gay' or flamboyant as they want and being accepted to be so, because they were discriminated against for so many years.

In other words, they were repressed, so they are going to be as flamboyant as they want on that particular day, to show that they are proud of who and what they are and nothing is going to stop it. It's not about seeking acceptance, it's about celebrating their freedom.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Fart wrote: »

Thread is gay!

At least it doesn't smell like fart.

Allah_

phoenix999 wrote: »

Spread the love. Just a bit of fun. They don't harm anyone, and we all need the laugh in NAMA land.

I'm all for having the crack I mean craic... And I do support gay rights. But is shoving a hairy old-man-arse with a g-string into a grannies face the right way to go about promoting gay rights?

Allah_

Peregrinus wrote: »

Isn't that kind of the point?

You know what I mean, stop being a wet blanket.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

LyndaMcL wrote: »

Because it's about gay PRIDE. Ie, being as 'gay' or flamboyant as they want and being accepted to be so, because they were discriminated against for so many years.

In other words, they were repressed, so they are going to be as flamboyant as they want on that particular day, to show that they are proud of who and what they are and nothing is going to stop it. It's not about seeking acceptance, it's about celebrating their freedom.

Being gay is being attracted to the same-sex, it's not a gauge on how flamboyant you are.

Esoteric_

OP, I'm getting a little bit of a homophobic vibe from your posts.

Maybe post in the LGBT forum, you might get some decent answers there.

MadsL

You missed Queer...parades are about Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual AND Transgender people AND Queer (meaning any sexuality that isn't Vanilla)

So OP - feel free to show off your own peccadilloes (fnarr) at the next one!


(Thinly clothed homosexuals thread)

Esoteric_

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

Being gay is being attracted to the same-sex, it's not a gauge on how flamboyant you are.

Absolutely. I think the flamboyancy could be more of a 'fúck you' to anyone who has or does discriminate against them. I know all my friends that participate in Pride parades deliberately dress as 'camp' as possible, to make people who are homophobic as uncomfortable as possible, as there is nothing legally that can be done now that homosexuality is legal.

Rud

Hold still,there's a spark on you

Glenn_Flinn

Homosexuality itself is a direct result of secret inoculations done by the forbidden group on women in Europe and it's colonies. It's awfully convenient how sheeple such as those affected with this man-made virus should then go on and be happy and proud about it - it covers the forbidden group's tracks perfectly.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Allah_ wrote: »

I'm all for having the crack I mean craic... And I do support gay rights. But is shoving a hairy old-man-arse with a g-string into a grannies face the right way to go about promoting gay rights?

What would you do if you saw a hot girl in a g-string shoving her arse into your face? Would you complain?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Who are you to judge for others the beauty of a sexy arse belonging to hairy "old" man.

Allah_

LyndaMcL wrote: »

Because it's about gay PRIDE. Ie, being as 'gay' or flamboyant as they want and being accepted to be so, because they were discriminated against for so many years.

In other words, they were repressed, so they are going to be as flamboyant as they want on that particular day, to show that they are proud of who and what they are and nothing is going to stop it. It's not about seeking acceptance, it's about celebrating their freedom.

Fair enough but it won't go down well with the people who hate homosexuality ie. conservative religious people ie. a sizeable chunk of Ireland!

There must be a better way to show Ireland that LGBT folks are nothing to be afraid of.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Glenn_Flinn wrote: »

Homosexuality itself is a direct result of secret inoculations done by the forbidden group on women in Europe and it's colonies. It's awfully convenient how sheeple such as those affected with this man-made virus should then go on and be happy and proud about it - it covers the forbidden group's tracks perfectly.

Subtle comedy is fun. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Allah_

LyndaMcL wrote: »

OP, I'm getting a little bit of a homophobic vibe from your posts.

lol... I knew somebody would call me a homophobe.

smokedeels

I imagine the flamboyance is a marketing tool, they get more numbers that way. I'm sure the organisers are more concerned with the important issues they are trying to bring to light than the leather chaps.

Esoteric_

Allah_ wrote: »

Fair enough but it won't go down well with the people who hate homosexuality ie. conservative religious people ie. a sizeable chunk of Ireland!

There must be a better way to show Ireland that LGBT folks are nothing to be afraid of.

Yes, but those homophobic people can't do anything about it (legally, anyway), which is the whole point.

I highly doubt that gay people are trying to convince all the homophobes to accept them. They have legal acceptance now, which is the most important thing.

Esoteric_

Allah_ wrote: »

lol... I knew somebody would call me a homophobe.

I'm not calling you a homophobe. I'm saying that your posts are reading a little homophobic.

Intensive Care Bear

Some of my gay friends like gay pride and some don't, it's aimed at certain people so if they enjoy it, why not? Oh this reminds me i have a white pride parade to go to soon, best get looking for a new outfit.

Allah_

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

Being gay is being attracted to the same-sex, it's not a gauge on how flamboyant you are.

I worked with two gay lads and many a time I heard one of them say to the other "You're so gay" ... So I think it's also a slang for flamboyancy, right?

phoenix999

Allah_ wrote: »

I'm all for having the crack I mean craic... And I do support gay rights. But is shoving a hairy old-man-arse with a g-string into a grannies face the right way to go about promoting gay rights?

Wouldn't worry about the G-Strings. I have an uncle who without fail rants at the television every time he sees a man wearing a pink shirt. Now that's a true fossil!

Glenn_Flinn

LyndaMcL wrote: »

Absolutely. I think the flamboyancy could be more of a 'fúck you' to anyone who has or does discriminate against them. I know all my friends that participate in Pride parades deliberately dress as 'camp' as possible, to make people who are homophobic as uncomfortable as possible, as there is nothing legally that can be done now that homosexuality is legal.

In other words it's to create division, and you think this is a good thing? Those that organize the events (33rd degree Masons) certainly do, but they do on a conscious level. Sheeple like you do on an unconscious level, just as you've been programmed to by the media as adhering to the forbidden group's agenda.

Allah_

LyndaMcL wrote: »

Absolutely. I think the flamboyancy could be more of a 'fúck you' to anyone who has or does discriminate against them. I know all my friends that participate in Pride parades deliberately dress as 'camp' as possible, to make people who are homophobic as uncomfortable as possible, as there is nothing legally that can be done now that homosexuality is legal.

But don't gays want to be accepted in society and have the same rights as everybody else?

Why would they deliberately provoke in the strongest way possible the very people who would vote against them?

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Allah_ wrote: »

I worked with two gay lads and many a time I heard one of them say to the other "You're so gay" ... So I think it's also a slang for flamboyancy, right?

It translate as being "You're so stereotypical!"

Esoteric_

Allah_ wrote: »

But don't gays want to be accepted in society and have the same rights as everybody else?

Why would they deliberately provoke in the strongest way possible the very people who would vote against them?

You seem to be failing to recognise that they HAVE been accorded the same rights (barring marriage, which is an issue that's still somewhat up in the air) and have been accepted into society, except by homophobic people who will more than likely never change.

Mickey H

phoenix999 wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about the G-Strings. I have an uncle who without fail rants at the television every time he sees a man wearing a pink shirt. Now that's a true fossil!

He must hate Deputy Wallace so.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Allah_ wrote: »

But don't gays want to be accepted in society and have the same rights as everybody else?

Why would they deliberately provoke in the strongest way possible the very people who would vote against them?

Isn't that the best tactic though? It's all about provoking a reaction and then cutting down the very people who would speak out against you. It's a great way of sifting out the bigots.

kowloon

I heard they dress all gay and march through straight communities on purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJicM-vov8

(Yes, I am taking the pi55)

Allah_

LyndaMcL wrote: »

You seem to be failing to recognise that they HAVE been accorded the same rights (barring marriage, which is an issue that's still somewhat up in the air) and have been accepted into society, except by homophobic people who will more than likely never change.

"they HAVE been accorded the same rights (barring marriage),"

So they haven't been accorded the same rights.

they have been accepted into society, except by homophobic people

So they haven't been accepted into society.

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

Isn't that the best tactic though? It's all about provoking a reaction and then cutting down the very people who would speak out against you. It's a great way of sifting out the bigots.

What if the bigots are a majority? Why provoke them?

Let's broaden this out to the LGBT folk in Uganda for example.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

kowloon wrote: »

I heard they dress all gay and march through straight communities on purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJicM-vov8

You forgot "... and completely go against bigotry and intolerance that the likes of the Orange Order promote."

WhimSock

It's a festival. It'd be fairly boring if only the modestly dressed conservative ones were marching / mincing down the street.

phoenix999

Mickey H wrote: »

He must hate Deputy Wallace so.

Indeedy. And don't forget the long hair. I think long hair and pink shirts were probably banned when uncle was growing up in 1960s Eire.

Esoteric_

Allah_ wrote: »

"they HAVE been accorded the same rights (barring marriage),"

So they haven't been accorded the same rights.

they have been accepted into society, except by homophobic people

So they haven't been accepted into society.

The marriage thing is being worked on, and so far is proceeding well. These things take time, considering homosexuality was illegal up til 19 years ago.

As for not being accepted into society - absolutely nobody is accepted by every single person. You may as well say I'm not accepted in society because I'm female and some people are sexist.

B.A._Baracus

The messed up thing is that while its acceptable to have a gay parade that features men in thongs, dressed up as women (in skimpy outfits) etc .... its not allowed for women in a parade to wear such outfits.

Imagine a St. Patricks Day float next year. All women in bikinis, g-strings or what not. How is that not acceptable but yet a gay parade is?

I'm all for equal rights. But thats the thing .... equal.

Boombastic

Allah_ wrote: »

Fair enough but it won't go down well with the people who hate homosexuality ie. conservative religious people ie. a sizeable chunk of Ireland!

.....................................

They can have their pilgrimage to knock, give the gays (&LBT) their parade

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Allah_ wrote: »

What if the bigots are a majority? Why provoke them?

Let's broaden this out to the LGBT folk in Uganda for example.

Well first of all I don't think that Gay Prides are possible in Uganda because it's so homophobic. The tactics that gay LGBT groups use in more liberal country is to sift out those who are still living in the past, and it works to an extent.

How Soon Is Now

Why is there so many threads in After Hours that revolve around ''Gays'' in some form. Is it the new fad or topic or something? Did i not get the memo ??

Allah_

LyndaMcL wrote: »

As for not being accepted into society - absolutely nobody is accepted by every single person. You may as well say I'm not accepted in society because I'm female and some people are sexist.

So if you stood at the altar of a church and announced to everybody that you are a female... that would have the same effect as telling people that you are gay?

Panthro

Imagine if "Irish Pride" brought out a campaign entitled "Swallow my Pride".....:eek::eek::eek:

:pac:

on topic, ara march on I say.

kowloon

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Imagine a St. Patricks Day float next year. All women in bikinis, g-strings or what not. How is that not acceptable but yet a gay parade is?

I'm all for equal rights. But thats the thing .... equal.

I've just finished imagining it and I'm back to help you fight the good fight, but what if the women want to wear more than g-strings?

Chuck Stone

Effeminophobe!

Allah_

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

Well first of all I don't think suh Gay Prides are possible in Uganda because it's so homophobic. The tactics that gay LGBT groups use in more liberal country is to sift out those who are still living in the past, and it works to an extent.

So in a way you agree that holding gay pride parade is the wrong way to go about gaining acceptance in society.

Anyway, here's the gay pride parade in Uganda. I like their style though; no old men in leather pants with the arse cheeks cut out! They look like "normal people", which is what the average Ugandan person needs to see.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/08/gay-and-proud-in-uganda.html#slide_ss_0=1

Lingua Franca

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

The messed up thing is that while its acceptable to have a gay parade that features men in thongs, dressed up as women (in skimpy outfits) etc .... its not allowed for women in a parade to wear such outfits.

https://mymzone.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Notting-Hill-carnival-1.jpg

Hell yeah it is. I've seen similar outfits on parade in Ireland too. I've even danced down a main street in a boob tube and miniskirt myself, as part of a group representing a sea wave.

Allah_ wrote: »

Anyway, here's the gay pride parade in Uganda. I like their style though; no old men in leather pants with the arse cheeks cut out! They look like "normal people", which is what the average Ugandan person needs to see.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/08/gay-and-proud-in-uganda.html#slide_ss_0=1

You may have missed slide 6 in that photoset. Also this: http://www.edgeboston.com/display/viewimage_story.php?id=135993

That's a lot of skin on show for a parade of just 50-odd people in a country where homosexuality is a capital offence. Using a tiny gathering in a country where everyone who attended risked the death penalty is hardly a fair comparison.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

Allah_ wrote: »

So in a way you agree that holding gay pride parade is the wrong way to go about gaining acceptance in society.

No I don't. I never said that. It's only *unwise*, let's say, in countries like Uganda that have a bit of way to go to catch up with human rights unless they're willing to put themselves in great danger.