12 weeks in Jail for offensive web posts about poor April Jones

Pace2008

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Yes I absolutely do know, because my kids are not raised to be insensitive idiots, simple. I'm an attentive parent & doubt they will manage to become that in my back either, if that was ever a possibility.

At what point, exactly, do some parents forget that they're raising independent-minded humans and not programming robots? My parents raised me to be a good mass-going Catholic who always says no drugs and never drinks more than three pints in a sitting. Oh well.

Madam_X

BASHIR wrote: »

I never compared it, I said it sprang to my mind.

Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically - just in general. A lot of people are making the 1984 comparison and I don't think it's accurate or fair.

Damathon111 wrote: »

England is becoming a fascist country

No it isn't. Ask people in Britain who lived in fascist Germany/Italy/Spain. They'll advise you you're talking bollocks.

Damathon111 wrote: »

This pussy-liberal attitude is the reason why that Norwegian guy went nuts and killed a load of future left wingers. This will happen in Britain and I look forward to it

Lol. You look forward to someone going nuts and killing a load of innocent people - but you don't hate muslims, just the religion.

Ironically, it's fascists who share the same mindset as you.

tigger123

Anyone else noticing that this thread isn't refreshing correctly? The last post from one of the mods in response to Madam X is not displaying?

Damathon111

Madam_X wrote: »

No it isn't. Ask people in Britain who lived in fascist Germany/Italy/Spain. They'll advise you you're talking bollocks.

I wasn't talking in the literal sense but taking free speech away from someone is authoritarian - a branch of fascism

Lol. You look forward to someone going nuts and killing a load of innocent people - but you don't hate muslims, just the religion.

Ironically, it's fascists who share the same mindset as you.

Better than being oppressed and unable to speak my mind as long as the people he kills is not someone I know or am related to. The planet is going to be dangerously overpopulated anyway, we need to cull a few hundred million people before countries start going to war over who owns the last oil well on earth - for this, I welcome mass deaths as long as it's not in Ireland.

BASHIR

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone else noticing that this thread isn't refreshing correctly? The last post from one of the mods in response to Madam X is not displaying?

Government removed it :pac:

Madam_X

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Nazi state?

over react much?

It's fashionable to say this, it seems. But it obviously involves no thought.

MaxSteele wrote: »

British government couldn't care less about it's citizens

How do you know? Bet it does.

Kennedi Handsome Scabby wrote: »

Things like death threats certainly warrant police attention, as do sustained bullying/harassment campaigns and internet stalking.

I agree. And you said hurting someone's feelings shouldn't be actionable - but isn't that what bullying is? My point is: I know this case is ludicrous, it's making me more and more annoyed and incredulous the more I think about it, but that said, some folks are arguing people should be able to say whatever they like on social media. No they shouldn't. Jail should be a very last resort though IMO.
It appears the authorities are having a lot of difficulty figuring out a strategy as to how to deal with the new phenomena of social media/networking, and deciding what constitutes action. A girl committed suicide following harassment on AskFM - how can something like this be regulated? It's a really tricky one.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Tomorrow you will arrested for daring to suggest 7/7 was an inside job.

No you won't.
The irony of all this "fascist" bullsh1t is: it's the state being too PC, being OTT about sparing people's feelings - what fascist organisation could ever be accused of that?!
A culture of being respectful and tolerant towards others would be a good thing, but this jailing nonsense (and letting people off for domestic abuse, like Justin Lee Collins) won't achieve it, it will only breed resentment. Playing into the hands of loons basically.

Pace2008

Damathon111 wrote: »

I wasn't talking in the literal sense but taking free speech away from someone is authoritarian - a branch of fascism



Better than being oppressed and unable to speak my mind as long as the people he kills is not someone I know or am related to. The planet is going to be dangerously overpopulated anyway, we need to cull a few hundred million people before countries start going to war over who owns the last oil well on earth - for this, I welcome mass deaths as long as it's not in Ireland.

I know it's considered poor form these days to go calling people trolls, but seriously, the lack of effort here a bit insulting. 0/10

TheStook

Whilst I completely disagree with the sentencing and all that, I think examples have to be made.

Its always completely unfair on the minority of people who are chosen as examples but it has to be done.

I remember I got thrown out of the Gaeltacht because I spoke English a few times, it was harsh but an example had to be made out of me. Otherwise there'd be so much more of it going on.

Anybody who hears about this is going to think twice about doing vile **** like this.

I feel sorry for the guy though, Lord knows I've told a fair few horrible jokes.

Madam_X

Damathon111 wrote: »

Better than being oppressed and unable to speak my mind as long as the people he kills is not someone I know or am related to. The planet is going to be dangerously overpopulated anyway, we need to cull a few hundred million people before countries start going to war over who owns the last oil well on earth - for this, I welcome mass deaths as long as it's not in Ireland.

"My right to attack muslims being taken from me" - bad
"Mass murder" - good

Run_to_da_hills

Madam_X wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically - just in general. A lot of people are making the 1984 comparison and I don't think it's accurate or fair.

England is certainly becoming a fascist country just like its big brother America. (Excuse the pun)

You cannot walk a street corner in UK cities without being recorded on HD Police CCTV.

Madam_X wrote: »

No it isn't. Ask people in Britain who lived in fascist Germany/Italy/Spain. They'll advise you you're talking bollocks.

In fact many who lived through those suppressed generations are warning of it being repeated.


Hitler's regime did not have the ways and means to track, pinpoint and digitally store everyone movements and correspondence in the way the UK Government has today.

Mickeroo

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone else noticing that this thread isn't refreshing correctly? The last post from one of the mods in response to Madam X is not displaying?

It was my post, I deleted it because I had taken Madam_X up wrong.

tails_naf

the_monkey wrote: »

In a few years they will be sending people to Jail for sexist comments, or
just calling people an as*hole...

Disgusting Nazi state.

Exactly. This is how more power is grabbed by governments - wait for some event that has the public riled up, and then set a precedent by jailing someone for a non-crime.

Surely there has to be free-speech advocates up in arms over this?

With this kind of carry on, the UK really is an inch away from being able to lock anyone up because they didn't like what they are saying.

El Weirdo

Mickeroo wrote: »

...I deleted it because I had taken Madam_X up wrong.

Fnarr fnarr.

Madam_X

tails_naf wrote: »

Exactly. This is how more power is grabbed by governments - wait for some event that has the public riled up, and then set a precedent by jailing someone for a non-crime.

Surely there has to be free-speech advocates up in arms over this?

With this kind of carry on, the UK really is an inch away from being able to lock anyone up because they didn't like what they are saying.

Doubt it. And no it's not a nazi state. Seriously, that's unfair to people who actually lived and suffered in a nazi state.

No RTDH, England "certainly" isn't becoming a fascist or whatever (thought 1984 was about communism?) state. CCTV is for security, not for reading people's facial expressions to assess whether they could be thinking anti government thoughts; people are free to discuss the government. The same applies to America.

I know you'd LIKE them to be becoming dictatorships - for the drama or excitement or whatever, but they're not. You should acquaint yourself with actual dictatorships.

tails_naf

Madam_X wrote: »

Doubt it. And no it's not a nazi state. Seriously, that's unfair to people who actually lived and suffered in a nazi state.

No, it's not yet, but how far away is it really?

The Nazi party came to power by riling up the people to believed Jews were responsible for their economic woes - and in a few short years, pretty terrible things were happening, but the country was too far gone for the people to turn it around.

Likewise in the US - 15 years ago, people in the US would have strongly opposed someone who dared attack their rights - but the govt again latched onto a terrible even to put in place some pretty draconian laws - and now a large portion of the population people accept that the govt has to monitor calls and emails in order to 'protect' them.

This has happened countless times - and the UK has been adding more and more surveillance, and this to me is another small step in the wrong direction.

All it takes is a lot of small steps - and better still if you can convince the majority of the public that the step was the right thing to do 'at the time'.

FrogMarch

Anyone else not actually believe this nonsense? Seems like a fantastical ploy by the media (and whatever other vested interests might be involved) to actually stop this kind of behaviour rather than something that actually happened?

I'll go and put my tinfoil hat back on anyway.

goat2

has any one of us on here read the exact wording the guy who wrote this offensive rant,
i have not read it,
but i understand that he made fun of the whole thing,

and i do find very disturbing that someone can do something of that nature,
he must have some problem,
he has no feeling for the suffering these children,
something is badly wrong with him

Hurricane Carter

Why is it OK to make jokes about April Jones, but not the 3 lads who died from falling into a slurry tank?

There was nothing but outrage on here when someone joked about that.

F*cking boards double standards.

tails_naf

Madam_X wrote: »

CCTV is for security

CCTV is for your security (though they can also record sound on each street corner) you say .

I'm sure 'for your own good' or a variation on them was used by every police state there ever was!

FrogMarch

goat2 wrote: »

i do find very disturbing that someone can do something of that nature

Most right-minded people do.

goat2 wrote: »

he must have some problem

He may well be mentally ill. We don't know to be honest.

goat2 wrote: »

he has no feeling for the suffering these children

I don't think that's necessarily the case. Maybe if he actually thought about it (I suspect he doesn't think much) then he may actually have genuine empathy for these victims. Then again, perhaps he's a sociopath/psychopath and doesn't actually 'get' empathy. In which case, along with the rest of the 3% of the population like him, he's very sick.

Then again, maybe he's just a stupid moron who made a grave error of judgement.

Or maybe he's just a figment of the media's imagination.

Again, we don't know.

El Weirdo

I Am Kong! wrote: »

Why is it OK to make jokes about April Jones, but not the 3 lads who died from falling into a slurry tank?

There was nothing but outrage on here when someone joked about that.

F*cking boards double standards.

As I said earlier in the thread, this guy wasn't banned from After Hours, he was jailed for three months.

Massive difference.

FrogMarch

I Am Kong! wrote: »

Why is it OK to make jokes about April Jones, but not the 3 lads who died from falling into a slurry tank?

There was nothing but outrage on here when someone joked about that.

F*cking boards double standards.

Cop on. Being outraged and offended and retaliating verbally is different to being jailed.

As a big fan of Nevin Spence, I'd have been pretty angry if I had been exposed to people slagging him off soon after his death. Do I think they should be jailed for it? Eh, no. I'm emotionally stable enough to realise there are f**king idiots out there without thinking I have some kind of right to punish them.

B.A._Baracus

Upon thinking about this more ...

This guy got what he deserved. He made that comment pubically on his facebook. How could he of thought nothing would come from it -it was a sick comment to make so f**k him.

FrogMarch

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Upon thinking about this more ...

This guy got what he deserved. He made that comment pubically on his facebook. How could he of thought nothing would come from it -it was a sick comment to make so f**k him.

Did he get what he deserved? Maybe. Is this a grave miscarriage of justice and a frightening precedent to the curtailment of freedom of speech? Definitely. So much so actually, that I don't even believe the story. I don't think any of this happened. Suspect it was engineered by the media. Again, I'll grab my tinfoil hat.

B.A._Baracus

FrogMarch wrote: »

Did he get what he deserved? Maybe. Is this a grave miscarriage of justice and a frightening precedent to the curtailment of freedom of speech? Definitely. So much so actually, that I don't even believe the story. I don't think any of this happened. Suspect it was engineered by the media. Again, I'll grab my tinfoil hat.

I totally see the point of freedom of speech. A part of me actually scratches my head over it ...

but I just keep coming back to the fact did he honestly think nothing would come from it? .. he put it in a public forum... being arrested and mob justice aside. Didnt he think he'd just stir so much crap between him and people who were added on his facebook.

Not only was it such a tastless comment to make it was such a stupid thing to post aswell.

kowloon

I'm not sure it's a good idea to put people in prison for acting the *****.

If the guy was posting 'proper hateful stuff' on the facebook page of the family, or something along those lines, then he should get in trouble. There are laws here, and in the UK, that cover that.

imitation

Surely a misdemeanor (ie not recorded) fine of like 500 quid is the appropriate response for this, what good does it do to convict a 19 year old, whats that going to do to his future prospects, all they are doing is creating more social problems. If I was a UK resident I would be getting on to my local minister raging about this, there should be an appropriate response, not some crowd pleasing heavy handed judgement on some clueless young fella.

steve9859

FrogMarch wrote: »

. Is this a grave miscarriage of justice and a frightening precedent to the curtailment of freedom of speech? Definitely. .

Nope...I don't think it is. Trolling, abuse, or instances that go further such as incitement to hatred....they are all things that people are too often prepared to defend as 'freedom of speech'....nonsense IMO

And phrases like 'frightening precedent' are ridiculously melodramatic....actually like most of the posts on here that go on about fascism etc

Setting behavioral boundaries for the Internet is the right thing to do

Cee-Jay-Cee

I have absolutely no sympathy for him, in fact..Fuck him, he doesn't deserve his freedom. He thought he was a smart arse making sick jokes about missing and presumably dead children, so fuck him.

IvySlayer

CJC999 wrote: »

I have absolutely no sympathy for him, in fact..Fuck him, he doesn't deserve his freedom. He thought he was a smart arse making sick jokes about missing and presumably dead children, so fuck him.

I remember a Madeline McCann joke was post of the day on here once.

The outrage brigade needs to fcuk off. I don't like his jokes, but jail should be reserved for real crimes.