Scary US Republicans at it again

petersburg2002

Ok so this guy's views are not surprising coming from a southern Republican. What is scary is the fact that he is a medical doctor and member of the powerful US House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213916/Paul-Broun-Member-House-Committee-Science-Space-Technology-calls-evolution-lies-pit-hell.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

My name is URL

That's insane.

And only in the Republican south could a church double up as a hunting lodge!

He also attributed his success as a hunter to the Lord's divine wisdom, crediting God for guiding his bullet to kill a lion and the mystery of a bear continuing to walk after he'd shredded its heart and lungs with a gunshot.

facepalm

Biggins

Republicans = nuts in many ways.
Enough said!

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petersburg2002 wrote: »

Ok so this guy's views are not surprising coming from a southern Republican. What is scary is the fact that he is a medical doctor and member of the powerful US Committee on Science and Technology.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213916/Paul-Broun-Member-House-Committee-Science-Space-Technology-calls-evolution-lies-pit-hell.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Can medical doctors not have religious beliefs then?

petersburg2002

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Can medical doctors not have religious beliefs then?

Well i'm referring to facts. Something doctors should be used to dealing with. I have no interest in religion.

Millicent

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Can medical doctors not have religious beliefs then?

Not if they're scientifically unsound beliefs. Calling embryology "lies from hell" is slightly concerning for a doctor.

My name is URL

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Can medical doctors not have religious beliefs then?

They can if they are able to compartmentalize. If a medical doctor applies his or her faith to how they treat their patients and reach ethical conclusions then they shouldn't be doctors in the first place.

Endless Nameless

It's pretty well-known that the modern republicans are just pandering to the craziest of right-wingers and special interest Christian groups, as was predicted by Barry Goldwater back in the 60s.

Even Newt Gingrich constantly said obviously historic falsities during the 2012 Republican debates, even though he has some univeristy degree in history.

It's just the easiest way for them to get votes.

Shryke

Disheartening post of the day award Petersberg.
It's an affront to science that a clod like this can have control or influence over any scientific body. A disbelief in basic scientific principles should exclude him from any such processes when his primitive beliefs can have a detrimental impact.

Infini

And this is just one of many reasons why I hope Obama gets reelected. Romney has even bigger idiots than the democrats wanting back into the house >_>

petersburg2002

Shryke wrote: »

Disheartening post of the day award Petersberg.
It's an affront to science that a clod like this can have control or influence over any scientific body. A disbelief in basic scientific principles should exclude him from any such processes when his primitive beliefs can have a detrimental impact.

I know, thoroughly depressing.

Johro

petersburg2002 wrote: »

I know, thoroughly depressing.

On a lighter note, the 'FEMAIL TODAY' byline to that page of the lovely Daily Mail has some riveting, uplifting stories. :rolleyes:
Actually, no, I just want to die now....

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Shryke wrote: »

Disheartening post of the day award Petersberg.
It's an affront to science that a clod like this can have control or influence over any scientific body. A disbelief in basic scientific principles should exclude him from any such processes when his primitive beliefs can have a detrimental impact.

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

AnonoBoy

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

It's also got a lot more evidence to back it up than creationism does.

obplayer

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

The theory that electrical discharges cause lightning is a more recent belief than that the gods are angry, but it is also a more accurate belief. Evoultion is as proven and certain as any other scientific theory.

Rubber_Soul

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

You don't understand what a scientific theory is, hardly surprising when you see posts like this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76280724&postcount=12

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obplayer wrote: »

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

The theory that electrical discharges cause lightning is a more recent belief than that the gods are angry, but it is also a more accurate belief. Evoultion is as proven and certain as any other scientific theory.

The missing links are still missing.

If you want to believe you came from a primordial soup feel free to believe it.

I prefer to believe in a creator and I'm entitled to believe it.

obplayer

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

The missing links are still missing.

If you want to believe you came from a primordial soup feel free to believe it.

I prefer to believe in a creator and I'm entitled to believe it.

A huge number of intermediate forms have now been found in the fossil record and more are being found all the time. The 'missing link' argument is long dead. When I am at home with access to you tube I will find some videos on the subject for anyone who may be interested.

Shryke

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

Evolution is not a belief it is a scientific theory. A scientific theory is a well-tested, unifying principle that explains a body of facts and the laws based on them. It is not a theory in the way the word theory is regularly used.
You're entitled to believe in Batman if that's what you want. Stating that you're entitled to believe whatever you like isn't an argument, it's a statement of willful ignorance in spite of evidence to the contrary.

AnonoBoy

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

I prefer to believe in a creator and I'm entitled to believe it.

Belief in God and belief in evolution are NOT mutually exclusive.

Some people like to set it up as if it's one or the other but I know plenty of smart intelligent people who believe in God and accept evolution.

UCDVet

Personally, I think this guy's beliefs are silly. But it's *less silly* that people who go to Church and say they are Christian while actively ignoring what's in the Bible.

80% of Ireland reports being Christian.

Millicent

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

The missing links are still missing.

If you want to believe you came from a primordial soup feel free to believe it.

I prefer to believe in a creator and I'm entitled to believe it.

What about not believing in embryology? Would you not agree that's ill-advised especially since there is plenty of evidence to back it up?

UCDVet wrote: »

Personally, I think this guy's beliefs are silly. But it's *less silly* that people who go to Church and say they are Christian while actively ignoring what's in the Bible.

80% of Ireland reports being Christian.

That's not less silly at all. Silly is disputing how foetuses are formed.

Einhard

I actually quite like this kind of thing. They cheer me no end. Because it means we're winning. And by "we", I mean liberal-minded, scientifically-aware, logical people all over the world. Think about it...fifty years ago, most Americans believed in the Biblical version of events, abortion was illegal, gays were persecuted, blacks discriminated against. Yet slowly, but surely, things have begun to change. Abortion is legal, blacks are closer to full equality than ever, a huge proportion of Americans believe in evolution and the Big Bang, gays have more rights than ever, and atheism is on the rise across the country. Conservatives are losing the Culture Wars, and they know it. Hence they are clinging to their out-moded ways in a desperate manner, and producing ever more rabid and idiotic statements on everything from rape to evolution. They're losing, their end is nigh, they're hunkering down and battening the hatches, becoming more and more ideologically inflexible and extreme, and their numbers are shrinking all the time- for that we should be very grateful. So, more clips and videos like this please...it proves, to me, at least, that we're moving in the right direction.

Einhard

People...there's no point in attempting rational debate with the likes of tatranska. They believe what they believe through faith alone, have no knowledge of scientific concepts, and even less desire to learn about them. So, you might as well be debating with a tree as debating with such people. You'll only annoy yourself.

Gummy Panda

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

You don't understand what a scientific theory is, hardly surprising when you see posts like this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76280724&postcount=12

I hope he prays for extra arms for me. I always wanted to be Goro from Mortal Kombat

krudler

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

The missing links are still missing.

If you want to believe you came from a primordial soup feel free to believe it.

I prefer to believe in a creator and I'm entitled to believe it.

when in doubt, a wizard did it.

Millicent

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I hope he prays for extra arms for me. I always wanted to be Goro from Mortal Kombat

You, sir, have just won the internet. :pac: :pac: :pac:

krudler

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I hope he prays for extra arms for me. I always wanted to be Goro from Mortal Kombat

think of all the belly rubs you can give at once

MetalDog

“Christianity has a built-in defense system: anything that questions a belief, no matter how logical the argument is, is the work of Satan by the very fact that it makes you question a belief. It's a very interesting defense mechanism and the only way to get by it -- and believe me, I was raised Southern Baptist -- is to take massive amounts of mushrooms, sit in a field, and just go, "Show me"

- Bill Hicks. :cool:

Grayson

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

Evolution is not a scientific principle. Its a theory and is a more recent belief than creationism.

http://media.fukung.net/images/3261/Darwin%20NO.jpg

squod

Einhard wrote: »

. Abortion is legal,

Such a winner Einhard. Killing fetuses before they get the same rights that ''people'' do.

Einhard wrote: »

blacks are closer to full equality than ever, gays have more rights than ever,

No rights to the unborn then. Screw them. That it?



Winner.:rolleyes:

Nodin

squod wrote: »

Such a winner Einhard. Killing fetuses before they get the same rights that ''people'' do.



No rights to the unborn then. Screw them. That it?



Winner.:rolleyes:

?

obplayer

Einhard wrote: »

People...there's no point in attempting rational debate with the likes of tatranska. They believe what they believe through faith alone, have no knowledge of scientific concepts, and even less desire to learn about them. So, you might as well be debating with a tree as debating with such people. You'll only annoy yourself.

I understand that, believe me, but is not tatranska I am actually aiming at here. It is the people, particularly young people, who might be 'hovering' between explanations. I want them to understand that he is simply wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUozZo8nOpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92x6AvxCFg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLF9729F67CD4034C9

petersburg2002

Infini2 wrote: »

And this is just one of many reasons why I hope Obama gets reelected. Romney has even bigger idiots than the democrats wanting back into the house >_>

And Romney has just gone ahead of Obama in the latest Rasmussen poll. The mind boggles.

BASHIR

Pandering and bull****ting one of the richest institutions in the world to get votes and sponsors is hopefully what he's doing. Other than that :-O

Einhard

squod wrote: »

Such a winner Einhard. Killing fetuses before they get the same rights that ''people'' do.



No rights to the unborn then. Screw them. That it?



Winner.:rolleyes:

Ummm, ok. Whatever you're having yourself. In no way did I attach a moral value to abortion in my post, but rather associated with the decline of conservatism in America, something I welcome even if I don't embrace every aspect of the liberalism that's in the ascendency. Hope that clears it up for ya. BTW, this guy :rolleyes: automatically detracts from the validity of any post.

steddyeddy

He has a doctorate of medicine and he doesnt believe in evolution? So he doesnt believe in the ability of certain bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics.

BASHIR

steddyeddy wrote: »

He has a doctorate of medicine and he doesnt believe in evolution? So he doesnt believe in the ability of certain bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics.

Nope that's the Devils work, duh. :pac:

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Einhard wrote: »

People...there's no point in attempting rational debate with the likes of tatranska. They believe what they believe through faith alone, have no knowledge of scientific concepts, and even less desire to learn about them. So, you might as well be debating with a tree as debating with such people. You'll only annoy yourself.

You actually know nothing about me or my interests.
Its possible to believe in God and science.
We would still be thinking the earth was flat otherwise.
I just don't believe we came from monkeys.
If you want to put your faith in evolution that's up to you.
I prefer to put my faith in a creator.
As for bacteria gaining resistance to drugs. Its a known scientific fact that its happening :-)
we do agree on one thing...debating with trees is pointless.

Einhard

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You actually know nothing about me or my interests.

Yes I do actually. I know that you summarily dismiss scientific theses and rsearch, not because of any inherent issue with the science, but simply because it is incompatible with your beliefs, based on faith.

Its possible to believe in God and science.

Of course it is. The problem is, that you're not in this category.

We would still be thinking the earth was flat otherwise.

If the Bible stated that the earth was flat, no doubt people like you would believe that too, and dismiss all evidence to the contrary.

I just don't believe we came from monkeys.


If you want to put your faith in evolution that's up to you.

I prefer to put my faith in a creator.

What on earth is stopping God from initiating evolution? It's incredible to me that so many professed Christians state that one can't know the mind of God, and then do exactly that. Your opposition isn't about God- it's about your own solipsism. You don't want to be descended from a monkey. So stop pretending it's about God, and admit that it's about you. By dismissing evolution, you're not worshipping God so much as your own image.

As for bacteria gaining resistance to drugs. Its a known scientific fact that
its happening :-)

And how do they gain this resistance? That's right...through evolution. Which you don't believe in.

hatrickpatrick

Any chance of quoting all or at least some of the article in the OP so as we can find out what this is about without the shame of having to click on a Daily Mail link?

hatrickpatrick

Oh and eh... Absolutely nothing said by Jesus during his time here conflicts in any way shape or form with either the big bang theory OR the theory of evolution.
Just saying...

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Einhard wrote: »

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You actually know nothing about me or my interests.

Yes I do actually. I know that you summarily dismiss scientific theses and rsearch, not because of any inherent issue with the science, but simply because it is incompatible with your beliefs, based on faith.

Its possible to believe in God and science.

Of course it is. The problem is, that you're not in this category.

We would still be thinking the earth was flat otherwise.

If the Bible stated that the earth was flat, no doubt people like you would believe that too, and dismiss all evidence to the contrary.

I just don't believe we came from monkeys.


If you want to put your faith in evolution that's up to you.

I prefer to put my faith in a creator.

What on earth is stopping God from initiating evolution? It's incredible to me that so many professed Christians state that one can't know the mind of God, and then do exactly that. Your opposition isn't about God- it's about your own solipsism. You don't want to be descended from a monkey. So stop pretending it's about God, and admit that it's about you. By dismissing evolution, you're not worshipping God so much as your own image.

As for bacteria gaining resistance to drugs. Its a known scientific fact that
its happening :-)

And how do they gain this resistance? That's right...through evolution. Which you don't believe in.

As I said... You know nothing about me. If you did you wouldn't be writing all this nonsense.:-)

The earth was without form and void and god said let there be light..gensis 1.
It may well have been a Big Bang. But since I wasn't there,I can't verify it.

You ask what's the problem with God initiating evolution. Your problem is that you don't believe He did. It all just happened!

Einhard

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You ask what's the problem with God initiating evolution. Your problem is that you don't believe He did. It all just happened!

No, my problem is with the fact that you don't believe in evolution, simply because you beiieve (erroneously IMO) that it's incompatible with belief. The Vatican has no issue with evolution, nor do hundreds of millions of Christians. So why do you have an issue?

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Einhard wrote: »

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You ask what's the problem with God initiating evolution. Your problem is that you don't believe He did. It all just happened!

No, my problem is with the fact that you don't believe in evolution, simply because you beiieve (erroneously IMO) that it's incompatible with belief. The Vatican has no issue with evolution, nor do hundreds of millions of Christians. So why do you have an issue?

I don't believe we came from monkeys.
I've also no difficulty with science and its compatibility with my beliefs.
I can look at creation and see the order and complexity in it and believe in the creator who made it.

You keep on quoting the vatican but..do you actually believe in God?

Wibbs

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

I don't believe we came from monkeys.

Why? What's wrong with "monkeys". In any event we came from apes.

Right so then how do you explain fossil humans that look like us from the neck down, but very different from the neck up with more apelike features and smaller brains? Don't believe in fossils or we got the dating wrong etc? OK then again how do you explain human like skulls that are waaaay outside the range of any humans alive today?

We also have the missing link or more to the point loads of intermediate species, including our own. Go back in time and we have animals that look like modern chimps only they're walking upright. Not as advanced an upright walking physiology as ours, but well on the way. Then as we move forward we bit by bit get to the modern human upright walking body shape. Indeed that evolved first, before our big brains really got going. Homo Erectus, the first human really looked like us, rather than an ape. From the neck down. You could walk him into TKMaxx and dress him in jeans and a shirt and he'd look like you and me, but his face would be very different. Again how do you explain this?

Modern humans do have some unusual traits, both physically and mentally. We've flatter, more juvenile faces with a chin, but that's the most of it. Culturally? Yep that used to be the cut off. We had art and fashion and all that, "they" that went before us didn't. Problem is that more and more we're finding that they did. Neandertals buried their dead, treated and cared for injured and disabled family/group members, wore body paint, made jewelry and wore specially selected bird feathers as adornment/cultural icons. Indeed it's looking possible/probable they did this before we did. How do you explain them? They looked very different in the face to us.

On the caring for others part, we can go back even further. A two million year old Erectus young woman whose bones showed she died from vitamin A poisoning. This took weeks and she would have been in terrible pain and would have been immobile. Yet someone cared for her through this. Someone brought her food and water. Someone cared, more than an upright chimp might, yet their brains were near half the size of ours today and as I said looked more "apelike".

housetypeb

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

As I said... You know nothing about me. If you did you wouldn't be writing all this nonsense.:-)

The earth was without form and void and god said let there be light..gensis 1.
..........

Let there be light on the first day-but he didn't get around to forming the stars until the 4th day.

GLaDOS

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

I just don't believe we came from monkeys.

facepalm.jpg

Seaneh

BASHIR wrote: »

Pandering and bull****ting one of the richest institutions in the world to get votes and sponsors is hopefully what he's doing. Other than that :-O

Which institution is that then?
I highly doubt that Liberty Baptist Church, in a tiny town called Hartwell outside Gainesville Goergia on the Boarder with South Carolina, is all that rich at all.

Sykk

'You see, there’s a lot of scientific data that I’ve found as a scientist that this really is a young earth,' Broun told the crow. 'I don’t believe that the earth is but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was made in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible tells us.'

I'd love to see his scientific data :pac:. I'd imagine anyone who asks is "the devil". What a waster. Delighted to see he's a dying breed of person.

Shryke

Sykk wrote: »

'You see, there’s a lot of scientific data that I’ve found as a scientist that this really is a young earth,' Broun told the crow. 'I don’t believe that the earth is but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was made in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible tells us.'

I'd love to see his scientific data :pac:. I'd imagine anyone who asks is "the devil". What a waster. Delighted to see he's a dying breed of person.

Hopefully his kind will go the way of the dinosaurs. Speaking of dinosaurs...