Weapons that have stoood the test of time

Delancey

In WW2 the US produced a sub-machine gun which was dubbed the Grease Gun because of it similarity to that device - apparently that was stll in use by tank crews in Desert Storm for defence if they were required to abandon the Abrams.

Cork boy 55

DonLimon wrote: »

I once heard that during the Vietnam war the Vietcong used to track lines of US troops and pick them off with crosssbows. Sounds like just tall tale, but I'm certain they were used to some degree in that war.

...

Don't know if the VC used them,
but, In the remote mountains and jungles of indochina there are tribal primitive populations distinct from the rest of the population called
Montagnards (People from the mountain)

During the indo-china wars they often sided against the communists.
Small teams of US special forces went into the mountains and trained and advised them and formed them into fighting units. there where expert hunters
The Montagnards used their hunting crossbows and bows in combat as well as weapons given to them or captured
Some small elements of these populations especially in Laos are still fighting communism to this day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montagnard_%28Vietnam%29



This film examines how the Montagnards (a primitive tribe living in the Vietnamese central highlands) were trained by the U.S. to defend their territories against the Viet Cong. The film illustrates the methods used by Army Special Forces to win over these tribesmen to the South Vietnam cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjFb7Z_0AA

US green berets inspecting a Montagnard crossbow in vietnam

I wonder would the FN FAL count? First made in 1947, recently selected as a sniper support weapon for the Rangers.

goldie fish

Not just the rangers.

marienbad

The rock ?

goldie fish

goldie fish wrote: »

Not just the rangers.

I stand corrected. Is there *still* a unit up in Donegal that drills with the FN? I heard there was some RDF units still doing that until recently.

Tenger

Mr. Tezza wrote: »

About the Bow and Arrow, although the design had changed the concept/shape is still in use today, I heard somewhere that some special forces groups have adopted it for quiet takedown's, stuff like that, can someone with more knowledge verify/expand on this?

They could but may have to do a practical demonstration of 'silent kill'

Mr. Tezza

Tenger wrote: »

They could but may have to do a practical demonstration of 'silent kill'

As long as its not me they demonstrate on, I could however nominate a few people...

goldie fish

Deleted User wrote: »

I stand corrected. Is there *still* a unit up in Donegal that drills with the FN? I heard there was some RDF units still doing that until recently.

No. All rdf units converted to the Steyr in 2002. The FN is used as a Sniper team spotters rifle. It has also remained in use in the Naval Service for firing line throwing rockets.

Del2005

tac foley wrote: »

BR = Brno
EN = Enfield

It always caught my eye when it appeared in use by the Wehrmacht during WW2.

The German's used everyone's weapons one of the reasons they lost. Too many types of different weapons/ammo for the supply lines to handle.

tac foley wrote: »

What a fabulous gun it was, too. Accurate enough to be used as in
the target marker role with tracer out to 600m...and THE definitive falling-plate killer.

tac

Watching too much TV, but wasn't that a flaw for a machine gun being too accurate? You fire off a few rounds and they all hit the same place/person, while most others machine guns that aren't as accurate hit more people.

Delancey wrote: »

In WW2 the US produced a sub-machine gun which was dubbed the Grease Gun because of it similarity to that device - apparently that was stll in use by tank crews in Desert Storm for defence if they were required to abandon the Abrams.

The M3

muppet01

The Lee Enfield .303 is still in use in a few spots

Lullymore24

The Mustard wrote: »

Remington 870 shotgun, first manufactured in 1951, used today by the Irish Army Ranger Wing, among many other defence forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_870

The Pump Action Shotgun was in Combat long before Remington brought out the 870.
The Pump Action was in operation before & during The Great War as a Trench Clearer and Riot Gun.

Stovepipe

The winchester trench Gun was in service thru WW 1 and even the Irish had it, in the early days of the Defence Forces.

regards
Stovepipe

Lullymore24

Stovepipe wrote: »

The winchester trench Gun was in service thru WW 1 and even the Irish had it, in the early days of the Defence Forces.

regards
Stovepipe

There was also a Browning Semi Auto Shotgun/Trench Gun around the same period or perhaps a few years later.
I have a friend in the states that has a Pump in His collection, and I think he may also have a Semi wit bayonet
Here is the Pump

Jawgap

Beloved of anarchists, proto-revolutionaries and Soviet soldiers when attacking tanks.........

Littlehorny

Just done a quick search and a form of hand grenade was used in the 10th century in Greece, stone and ceramic bowls which were later made of glass. These fire bombs could even be older and the idea spread accross the Middle East and on to China.

Captain Chaos

The B-52 bomber. The USAF reckons they have another 30-40+ years in them yet. When they type is finally phased out of service it will have served close to 100 years. Long range Tomahawk launcher for heavily defended targets, once the air threats are down they become an orbiting weapons supermarket. Troops can call down any combination of GPS, laser guided or WCMDs with bunker buster, standard or delayed warheads and fusing options day or night.

Merch

crossbow, more so than bow and arrow, as more practical

MG42/MG3, Only small changes from the original

I'll add the club to that (club/mace/riot baton) one of the simplest weapons

goldie fish

Jawgap wrote: »

Beloved of anarchists, proto-revolutionaries and Soviet soldiers when attacking tanks.........

Quite a more recent invention than one would expect. Finland, 1940 or thereabouts.

Donny5

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The B-52 bomber. The USAF reckons they have another 30-40+ years in them yet. When they type is finally phased out of service it will have served close to 100 years. Long range Tomahawk launcher for heavily defended targets, once the air threats are down they become an orbiting weapons supermarket. Troops can call down any combination of GPS, laser guided or WCMDs with bunker buster, standard or delayed warheads and fusing options day or night.

Well, the thing about the B-52s is that you're not likely to find many parts on any Stratofortress that was there when it was built. The TLAM is even worse in that regard, in that the current generation shares nothing more than external dimensions with the originals.

Geekness1234

Merch wrote: »

crossbow, more so than bow and arrow, as more practical

MG42/MG3, Only small changes from the original

I'll add the club to that (club/mace/riot baton) one of the simplest weapons

Seen a few pics of Israeli soldiers supplementing their gear with clubs.

Victor

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The B-52 bomber. The USAF reckons they have another 30-40+ years in them yet. When they type is finally phased out of service it will have served close to 100 years. Long range Tomahawk launcher for heavily defended targets, once the air threats are down they become an orbiting weapons supermarket. Troops can call down any combination of GPS, laser guided or WCMDs with bunker buster, standard or delayed warheads and fusing options day or night.

The B-52 has never had Tomahawks beyond the original selection stage. ALCM was selected instead.

Tenger

Jawgap wrote: »

Beloved of anarchists, proto-revolutionaries and Soviet soldiers when attacking tanks.........

In fact the name was coined by Finnish Soldiers in the Winter War of 1940, at that time Molotov was the Soviet Foreign Ambassador (and claimed that he Soviets were NOT bombing the Finns at that time).....so it was named after him.
Similar improvised incendiary devices had been used in the Spanish Civil war against Soviet tanks.

Stovepipe

Several sides in WW 2 used factory-manufactured incendiary bottles filled with,variously,petrol, engine oil, glue, sugar,diesel, kerosene, grease, industrial alcohol and incendiary material such as matches, phosphorus, black powder, flares, fireworks, shotgun cartridges and anything else that could be ignited and thrown.

regards
Stovepipe

Cork boy 55

The catapult

Determined: Free Syrian Army fighter use a jury-rigged catapult to fire homemade explosives at Assad's soldiers in the war-torn city of Aleppo.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217605/Free-Syrian-Army-A-make-shift-catapult-child-grinning-tank--images-heart-civil-war.html#ixzz29OCULcV9

Merch

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

The catapult

Determined: Free Syrian Army fighter use a jury-rigged catapult to fire homemade explosives at Assad's soldiers in the war-torn city of Aleppo.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217605/Free-Syrian-Army-A-make-shift-catapult-child-grinning-tank--images-heart-civil-war.html#ixzz29OCULcV9

I'm thinking
accuracy
what happens if said explosive hops out?
imaging getting a slap in the face of that elastic if it snapped :eek:

Cork boy 55

Merch wrote: »

I'm thinking
accuracy
what happens if said explosive hops out?
imaging getting a slap in the face of that elastic if it snapped :eek:

The ammunition appears to be on an small home made IED with a burning wire fuse There is a picture of the ammo at the link in post.
There is a war of attrition going on now in Aleppo with both sides holding parts of the city and heavy casualties on both sides.

Merch

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

The ammunition appears to be on an small home made IED with a burning wire fuse There is a picture of the ammo at the link in post.
There is a war of attrition going on now in Aleppo with both sides holding parts of the city and heavy casualties on both sides.

That looks like a weapon of indiscriminate terror (for civilians) at least if someone fired a mortar, they have a reasonable idea where it was going to go.

whydave

Old design new application !!

whydave wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4eBiwJ5fXQ

Ishmash states that the rifle will be available in two models: one for the domestic (Russian) market and one for export. The export version will have a “short barrel” and be chambered in 9×19. No additional information was provided on the domestic model.
Read the original article here.Make sure you visit GunsHolstersAndGear.com for all of the latest gun news, reviews and SHOT Show coverage.

Stovepipe

It seems these days, that every possible variation of the AK can and will be made, as long as it retains the original rotating bolt and safety catch.
regards
Stovepipe