Do these Magic Shakes Work?

Lullymore24

I'm lifting weights at the moment, and after 3 months training, old muscle is coming back into shape and now is quit hard.

However I want to also increase Muscle mass.
I have a high protein & Carb Diet.

Will these Powdered Shakes Actually Help me?
They are very expensive if they do not work.

I am currently bench pressing 60kg, 3 Sets of 10 every 2 days.
I hope to increase this to 70kg in the next month or so, and also increase reps.

Will these wonder shakes help? Or are they just a Marketing gimic

another question

Lullymore24 wrote: »

I'm lifting weights at the moment, and after 3 months training, old muscle is coming back into shape and now is quit hard.

However I want to also increase Muscle mass.
I have a high protein & Carb Diet.

Will these Powdered Shakes Actually Help me?
They are very expensive if they do not work.

I am currently bench pressing 60kg, 3 Sets of 10 every 2 days.
I hope to increase this to 70kg in the next month or so, and also increase reps.

Will these wonder shakes help? Or are they just a Marketing gimic

No, I don't think they are a gimic. They are an excellent bulking aid if used correctly with diet and exercise. I know they seem expensive but they do work.

There are a loads of them on the market but in my opinion of of the best is Optimum Nutitrion Gold Standard Whey Protein. They are easy on the stomach, easily mixed with water or milk and come in delicious flavours. There is a website called www.fitnessupplementsvitamins.ie and a couple of others in Ireland that would offer very competitive prices, will give you advice via email or on the phone and do next day delivery if ordered before 2pm.

And just so you get an idea, one small scoop...like a washing powder scoop full is 25grams of pure protein in one drink. Very quick and easy way to get an extra 25grams in your diet.

g'em

Are they magic? No.

Are they an effective source of protein in addition to your diet? Yes.

Will they do anything a good diet won't? No.

Lifting properly will help you lift more. Shakes won't. They just help supply the protein your body needs to make your muscles bigger during the rest period after a workout.

Lullymore24

g'em wrote: »

Are they magic? No.

Are they an effective source of protein in addition to your diet? Yes.

Will they do anything a good diet won't? No.

Lifting properly will help you lift more. Shakes won't. They just help supply the protein your body needs to make your muscles bigger during the rest period after a workout.

Ok I hear you about the diet, look I love my food.
So diet aside will they help my Arms recover quicker?

I go to the gym and I get help from the Gym instructor.
My weakest muscle is my Triceps currently.
I'm doing 20kg pull downs and it is tough, tougher when I see guys younger than me doing 70kg

Also is there any nasty side affects (farting, toilet etc etc)

john_cappa

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Ok I hear you about the diet, look I love my food.
So diet aside will they help my Arms recover quicker?

I go to the gym and I get help from the Gym instructor.
My weakest muscle is my Triceps currently.
I'm doing 20kg pull downs and it is tough, tougher when I see guys younger than me doing 70kg

Also is there any nasty side affects (farting, toilet etc etc)

Post your full training routine and a sample daily diet.

Be totally honest!

Doug Cartel

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Ok I hear you about the diet, look I love my food.
So diet aside will they help my Arms recover quicker?

If you're not getting enough protein in your diet then taking protein supplements will help you. If you are getting enough protein in you diet, then taking more is just a waste.

Lullymore24

john_cappa wrote: »

Post your full training routine and a sample daily diet.

Be totally honest!

Daily diet, anything and everything.

Full Training routine, twice a week gym.
Training program given by GYM instructor, basically 1hr per session across all gym 15 mins Treadmill followed by all the machines for upper body.(I'm not good on the specific names of machines)

Every second day at home Bench press 60kg an Dumbbell 15kg each arm until I get tired. (30-40 mins alternating from arm to arm)

Once a week go for a bike ride with friends ~20km.

Lullymore24

Doug Cartel wrote: »

If you're not getting enough protein in your diet then taking protein supplements will help you. If you are getting enough protein in you diet, then taking more is just a waste.

I eat red meat and white meat daily.
i try to alternate, red today, white tomorrow.

Do I take on enough protein in meat & eggs?

Doug Cartel

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Daily diet, anything and everything.

OK, it's unlikely you need protein supplements so. Most people have too much protein in their diets anyway.

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Every second day at home Bench press 60kg an Dumbbell 15kg each arm until I get tired. (30-40 mins alternating from arm to arm)

This is probably the main thing that's holding you back.

Lullymore24

Doug Cartel wrote: »

OK, it's unlikely you need protein supplements so. Most people have too much protein in their diets anyway.



This is probably the main thing that's holding you back.

Not Enough?
The GYM instructor said every second day for Muscle?

Or Not enough weight?

Hanley

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Not Enough?
The GYM instructor said every second day for Muscle?

Or Not enough weight?

What does "GYM" stand for? Or are you just shouting?

Lullymore24

Hanley wrote: »

What does "GYM" stand for? Or are you just shouting?

Gymnasium I would have thought?
I was not shouting, everywhere I have seen it written that is what I saw??

john_cappa

Doug Cartel wrote: »

OK, it's unlikely you need protein supplements so. Most people have too much protein in their diets anyway.

Why are you guessing? The average person only has meat once a day (typically a small portion of 100-150g). Add in the extra protein may may or may not get from bread, nuts, milk etc then most people only get about 60-70 grams a day at most.

Again

Post up your exact diet

Breakfast:
Lunch:
Dinner:
Supper:
Snacks:

john_cappa

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Daily diet, anything and everything.

Full Training routine, twice a week gym.
Training program given by GYM instructor, basically 1hr per session across all gym 15 mins Treadmill followed by all the machines for upper body.(I'm not good on the specific names of machines)

Every second day at home Bench press 60kg an Dumbbell 15kg each arm until I get tired. (30-40 mins alternating from arm to arm)

Once a week go for a bike ride with friends ~20km.

So you are just training upper body in the gym? and then twice a week at home doing chest and then 30 mins doing bicep curls?

I would change the structure personally.

Skip the treadmill before the weights session. Treadmill after if at all.

Day 1 in the gym:Train shoulders/legs
Day 2 Train chest/back

Tell the instructor you want to use free weights and not machines.

I would be careful with the timing of the training at home also i.e. dont be training your chest at home via bench press the day before or the day after your chest day in the gym

Lullymore24

john_cappa wrote: »

Why are you guessing? The average person only has meat once a day (typically a small portion of 100-150g). Add in the extra protein may may or may not get from bread, nuts, milk etc then most people only get about 60-70 grams a day at most.

Again

Post up your exact diet

Breakfast:
Lunch:
Dinner:
Supper:
Snacks:

Breakfast:Yougurt & fruit if I get the chance
Lunch: Normally Chicken or Beef and Spuds or Rice or pasta and Veg.
Dinner:Alternate of dinner
Supper:I only normally eat 3 times a day
Snacks: Guinness :pac:

I am not a strict diet person.
I eat mostly in work so I eat what's on offer

nice_guy80

Just a bit of advice, I'm not going to sneer at the OP like other people

You would be much better off with a whole body routine, done twice a week. rather than focusing on particular muscle groups. bodyweight exercises can be very effective

Day 1
circuit #1 (three circuits, 6-8 reps for each exercise, if you can)
dumbbell Lunge (look it up)
Pull Up
dumbbell row

circuit #2 (three circuits, 6-8 reps for each exercise, if you can)
dumbbell bench press
swiss ball knifejacks (look them up)
horizontal row

Stench Blossoms

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Breakfast:Yougurt & fruit if I get the chance
Lunch: Normally Chicken or Beef and Spuds or Rice or pasta and Veg.
Dinner:Alternate of dinner
Supper:I only normally eat 3 times a day
Snacks: Guinness :pac:

I am not a strict diet person.
I eat mostly in work so I eat what's on offer

That's where your going wrong then.

You need to plan and prepare your meals.

Hogan1

Lullymore24 wrote: »

john_cappa wrote: »

Post your full training routine and a sample daily diet.

Be totally honest!

Daily diet, anything and everything.

Full Training routine, twice a week gym.
Training program given by GYM instructor, basically 1hr per session across all gym 15 mins Treadmill followed by all the machines for upper body.(I'm not good on the specific names of machines)

Every second day at home Bench press 60kg an Dumbbell 15kg each arm until I get tired. (30-40 mins alternating from arm to arm)

Once a week go for a bike ride with friends ~20km.

Gym instructors in Ireland are probably the last people you should get advice from. Try a program like stronglifts 5x5 and remember you need to add weight to the bar on a regular basis if you want to build mass. It goes without saying that the diet needs to be up to par to see any results.

Lullymore24

Hogan1 wrote: »

Gym instructors in Ireland are probably the last people you should get advice from. Try a program like stronglifts 5x5 and remember you need to add weight to the bar on a regular basis if you want to build mass. It goes without saying that the diet needs to be up to par to see any results.

Well tonight I went the opposite of my usual routine.
I started on the weights First.
I did 1 hour covering the main muscle groups.

I then did 20 mins on the thread mill, and man i was Zapped. I could only manage a fast walk, 8kmph and 2.5km distance.

I then had beef stew Veg and rice afterwards.
I'm not normally a fan of stew, but my muscles were aching for food.

My arms feel like jelly now, but no pain, no gain.

I know my diet is not the best, but I am very busy these days and eat on the hoof.
I try to watch what i eat, But I will not be a slave to a diet.

My aim is to add 10kg ever 2-3 weeks.
I don't know where I will have to stop, I can lift 75-80 kg once, if I can get to a stage that I can lift by own body weight I will be very happy.

Oisinjm

I'm going to be brutally honest. By the sounds of it your gym programme is shíte. Free weights > machines. Either ask your gym instructor to give you a programme incorporating free weights or do some of your own research and get him to show you form. The latter being the superior option in my opinion. Try a basic strength programme such as "Starting Strength" first. Remember form over weight.

2 days a week also isn't really enough, try up it to three or four and you'll start seeing results. In terms of diet, yours also seems to be very poor. You say you don't really have time to be properly watching your diet and you eat what's on offer. In my opinion, you're just being lazy. Prepare your food the night before or get up a bit earlier and bring something in. Snacking on nuts, biltong etc is going to be better than the snacks you're currently having as well. You don't need to be a slave to your diet, something like the paleo diet is really easy to follow then just carb cycle. Have carbs every second or third day. Pig out on weekends or one day a week. Get that pizza you're craving into you. It's not hard once you get into it.

Oisín

nice_guy80

Oisinjm wrote: »

I'm going to be brutally honest. By the sounds of it your gym programme is shíte. Free weights > machines. Either ask your gym instructor to give you a programme incorporating free weights or do some of your own research and get him to show you form. The latter being the superior option in my opinion. Try a basic strength programme such as "Starting Strength" first. Remember form over weight.

2 days a week also isn't really enough, try up it to three or four and you'll start seeing results. In terms of diet, yours also seems to be very poor. You say you don't really have time to be properly watching your diet and you eat what's on offer. In my opinion, you're just being lazy. Prepare your food the night before or get up a bit earlier and bring something in. Snacking on nuts, biltong etc is going to be better than the snacks you're currently having as well. You don't need to be a slave to your diet, something like the paleo diet is really easy to follow then just carb cycle. Have carbs every second or third day. Pig out on weekends or one day a week. Get that pizza you're craving into you. It's not hard once you get into it.

Oisín

2 days a week is perfectly fine.
With the correct diet
and a decent gym program

Lullymore24

nice_guy80 wrote: »

2 days a week is perfectly fine.
With the correct diet
and a decent gym program

I can see Muscle definition with a full work out 2 days a week, and a supplemental workout in my home.

I'm not trying to body sculpt perfection.
I just want a bit more muscle and strength

metamorphosis

Like echoed, your programmes is ****e and the diet not great, they will both hold you back

Full body compounds 2 to 3 days pw and eating actual food rather than food pretending its food (if its an ingredient it's food, if it has loads of ingredients, it's pretending to be food)

Lullymore24

metamorphosis wrote: »

Like echoed, your programmes is ****e and the diet not great, they will both hold you back

Full body compounds 2 to 3 days pw and eating actual food rather than food pretending its food (if its an ingredient it's food, if it has loads of ingredients, it's pretending to be food)

I eat a lot of good food, I perhaps eat too much.
I would have steak 3-4 times per week, sometimes more.

I eat vegetables every day and a lot of fruit & yoghurt

My question was do I need to buy these Shakes to help me build muscle.
some say yes they help, Some say No need i have enough protein already in my diet.
So I am none the wiser now

colman1212

Lullymore24 wrote: »

My question was do I need to buy these Shakes to help me build muscle.

Conclusion: A protein shake post workout can only do you good, but you're pissing in the wind unless you sort your diet out at least a bit.

Oisinjm

Lullymore24 wrote: »

I eat a lot of good food, I perhaps eat too much.
I would have steak 3-4 times per week, sometimes more.

I eat vegetables every day and a lot of fruit & yoghurt

My question was do I need to buy these Shakes to help me build muscle.
some say yes they help, Some say No need i have enough protein already in my diet.
So I am none the wiser now

No, get your diet sorted and you won't need to spend the money

Doug Cartel

Lullymore24 wrote: »

My question was do I need to buy these Shakes to help me build muscle.
some say yes they help, Some say No need i have enough protein already in my diet.
So I am none the wiser now

Here's how to find out if you need to take protein supplements:

1. Figure out how much protein you currently consume.
2. Decide how much you need to consume (probably about 2g per kg body weight if you're looking to gain muscle.)
3. If the amount you are currently consuming is less than the amount you need (and you don't want to make up the difference by just eating more food) then you could use protein supplementation.

Lullymore24

colman1212 wrote: »

Conclusion: A protein shake post workout can only do you good, but you're pissing in the wind unless you sort your diet out at least a bit.

This is what I can't understand.
I thought the point of the shakes was that it made up for any holes in my Diet?

And there s 4 or 5 different types of shakes available.

And what is wrong with Meat Spuds & Veg twice a day, and some form of sandwich or Yoghurt Muesli either side of that?

Other than perhaps too much Fat in my Diet, which the exercise helps to burn anyway??

Hanley

Lullymore24 wrote: »

This is what I can't understand.
I thought the point of the shakes was that it made up for any holes in my Diet?

And there s 4 or 5 different types of shakes available.

And what is wrong with Meat Spuds & Veg twice a day, and some form of sandwich or Yoghurt Muesli either side of that?

Other than perhaps too much Fat in my Diet, which the exercise helps to burn anyway??

Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar and grains aren't healthy. Protein shakes are fine but you don't "need" them to build muscle.

Lullymore24

Hanley wrote: »

Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar and grains aren't healthy. Protein shakes are fine but you don't "need" them to build muscle.

Will it help me build it faster though?

g'em

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Will it help me build it faster though?

That's where the magic comes into it. Regular milk builds your muscle protein at 3000mol/min/kg but powdered milk whey that you get in shakes builds it at 5400mol/min/kg. See? *magic*

Dude, you're seriously overthinking this. Lift stuff. Eat well. If you have to take a shake keep it to after a workout. It won't do anything food can't. Sleep lots. That's genuinely all you need to worry about right now

Lullymore24

g'em wrote: »

That's where the magic comes into it. Regular milk builds your muscle protein at 3000mol/min/kg but powdered milk whey that you get in shakes builds it at 5400mol/min/kg. See? *magic*

Dude, you're seriously overthinking this. Lift stuff. Eat well. If you have to take a shake keep it to after a workout. It won't do anything food can't. Sleep lots. That's genuinely all you need to worry about right now

Ok, Sleep lots (For the guys that said I was lazy?) I average 4-5hrs a day because of a hectic lifestyle.
Eat well, Check
I think because I can not fulfil all the requirements there seems to be scientific data that these shakes will help.
I don't like Milk either (so I hope these shakes taste nice)

Stench Blossoms

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Ok, Sleep lots (For the guys that said I was lazy?) I average 4-5hrs a day because of a hectic lifestyle.
Eat well, Check
I think because I can not fulfil all the requirements there seems to be scientific data that these shakes will help.
I don't like Milk either (so I hope these shakes taste nice)

Your diet is not in check.

nice_guy80

I sleep twice as much as you

Stench Blossoms

Yeh actually the sleep as well. I sleep for 8 hours a night if I'm gyming it in the morning. 9 hours if I'm not.

Doug Cartel

g'em wrote: »

That's where the magic comes into it. Regular milk builds your muscle protein at 3000mol/min/kg but powdered milk whey that you get in shakes builds it at 5400mol/min/kg. See? *magic*

3000mol? For a big complicated molecule like a protein, isn't that going to be several kg?

Lullymore24

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I sleep twice as much as you

Well done, I am jealous of those who get 8 hours every night.

nice_guy80

sleep is crucial in muscle development and allowing the body recover and adapt to training

Hanley

You know, just take the shakes. You won't get your results, but at least you won't have that excuse to hide behind anymore!

Lullymore24

Hanley wrote: »

You know, just take the shakes. You won't get your results, but at least you won't have that excuse to hide behind anymore!

I think I will get them tomorrow when I am in town.
I was watching a doc before about all these supplements and side affects, especially farting.

Any of you guys have any side affects of these supplements?

Hanley

Lullymore24 wrote: »

I think I will get them tomorrow when I am in town.
I was watching a doc before about all these supplements and side affects, especially farting.

Any of you guys have any side affects of these supplements?

The only side effect I've experienced was OUTRAGEOUS MUSCLE GROWTH.

nice_guy80

and farting

was in the gym yesterday evening. this lad came over getting plates... the smell off him nearly knocked me out.
then again, he did have evidence of outrageous muscle growth

Lullymore24

Updates so far.

Still not used the Shakes.
Legs are in great shape Strength wise, I can leg press 200kg with ease.
The machine is maxed out at that.
I can bench press 66kg (but with Difficulty)
I can now also do 35 push ups in on set which I could never do before.(Amazing what a little effort can do)

However,
I would still like bigger arms, but I am wondering have I maxed out on them?
I am 97.7kg, my legs can lift over twice that, but if I could lift that with my Arms I would be really happy.

Any more tips?

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

The only side effect I've experienced was OUTRAGEOUS MUSCLE GROWTH.

That'll be the nanobots reacting to the vitamin D you get from the walk home from the gym.

Brian?

Lullymore24 wrote: »

Updates so far.

Still not used the Shakes.
Legs are in great shape Strength wise, I can leg press 200kg with ease.
The machine is maxed out at that.
I can bench press 66kg (but with Difficulty)
I can now also do 35 push ups in on set which I could never do before.(Amazing what a little effort can do)

However,
I would still like bigger arms, but I am wondering have I maxed out on them?
I am 97.7kg, my legs can lift over twice that, but if I could lift that with my Arms I would be really happy.

Any more tips?

You're arms will never be as strong as your legs, not that it's a problem.

What's your full program?

Lullymore24

Brian? wrote: »

You're arms will never be as strong as your legs, not that it's a problem.

What's your full program?

You will have to excuse my lack of Gym terminology knowledge.
I do 15 minute on Triceps pulling down and flexing rope ~12kg
, 15 mins on Biceps with Curled barbell 25kg
5 mins on Pec machine 55kg
5 mins on bench 66kg (I've Arms like Jelly after that)

Then I go on the thread mill as I want to lose some belly fat and improve cardio and stamina.
I usually do 5km, but my Goal is 10km at a min of 8kmph (I'm not able to run ery fast, but I would be happy with going more distance)

Chancer3001

Have you read the stickies? the pinned threads? Do that

The Guvnor

Lullymore24 wrote: »

I'm lifting weights at the moment, and after 3 months training, old muscle is coming back into shape and now is quit hard.

However I want to also increase Muscle mass.
I have a high protein & Carb Diet.

Will these Powdered Shakes Actually Help me?
They are very expensive if they do not work.

I am currently bench pressing 60kg, 3 Sets of 10 every 2 days.
I hope to increase this to 70kg in the next month or so, and also increase reps.

Will these wonder shakes help? Or are they just a Marketing gimic

Not read thread...

• Very expensive? In a lot of cases they are cheaper per gram of protein than even the cheapest food available in the supermarket.

• Powdered Shakes / Wonder Shakes: They are just an efficeint way to supplement your diet if you are pressed for time or cannot stomach more chicken etc.

• I assume you do more than just bench?

• Some brands do guarantee 'awesomeness' in every shake!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ODlWSGPw3g

Lullymore24

The Guvnor wrote: »

Not read thread...

• Very expensive? In a lot of cases they are cheaper per gram of protein than even the cheapest food available in the supermarket.

• Powdered Shakes / Wonder Shakes: They are just an efficeint way to supplement your diet if you are pressed for time or cannot stomach more chicken etc.

• I assume you do more than just bench?

• Some brands do guarantee 'awesomeness' in every shake!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ODlWSGPw3g

Funny Video.
In regards to your question.
I work on 4 weight lifting machines

The Above for biceps

The below for Triceps and Pecs

For Shoulders

And this Rope, not sure what it is called for triceps and the elbow ball type muscle

Brian?

Lullymore24 wrote: »

You will have to excuse my lack of Gym terminology knowledge.
I do 15 minute on Triceps pulling down and flexing rope ~12kg
, 15 mins on Biceps with Curled barbell 25kg
5 mins on Pec machine 55kg
5 mins on bench 66kg (I've Arms like Jelly after that)

Then I go on the thread mill as I want to lose some belly fat and improve cardio and stamina.
I usually do 5km, but my Goal is 10km at a min of 8kmph (I'm not able to run ery fast, but I would be happy with going more distance)

Please read the stickies, resistance training should be done for sets and reps not time.

Dermighty

That machine you use for shoulders works your chest not your shoulders, I'll bet there's a picture on the machine showing the muscle groups it works and it should say pectoralis.