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Onesimus

I think all the same ( true or false I've never read the messages ) we have to admire scidives simple faith. It's something I wish I had. At the same time it's important that we be grounded in the faith in order that we may be able to see what messages come from Jesus, Mary, the angels and Saints and what messages don't.

For me I just simply believe until I've read them and see for myself. There are many red flags of a false revelation but with regards to MDM I wouldnt know as I have not read them. Scidive I admire your simple faith. Is it possible you can show me the website where these messages are? I would like to read them myself.

hellodolly

Oh yeah, and I decided to google the date 13/11/2012 and guess what? an eclipse of the sun is due on that date. Another happy (and planned of course) coincidence for the profiteers of the website/book. This eclipse happens every 117 days and four hours according to what I read so it cannot be viewed as a message or a sign from God...just putting it out there right now before some psychotic zealot tries to say it's a miracle of Jesus or something.

The website is called thesecondwarning.com and there is a link to buy the book at the bottom right-hand corner.

Surely a simple faith would imply you simply believe in the Catholic faith and it's teachings? That what the church tells you is what you should believe? I certainly wouldn't include believing in doomsday rubbish found online written by God know's who as simple faith.... sounds more like people who are bored with their religion and are looking for more than a ''simple'' belief to me.

totus tuus

Onesimus wrote: »

I think all the same ( true or false I've never read the messages ) we have to admire scidives simple faith. It's something I wish I had. At the same time it's important that we be grounded in the faith in order that we may be able to see what messages come from Jesus, Mary, the angels and Saints and what messages don't.

For me I just simply believe until I've read them and see for myself. There are many red flags of a false revelation but with regards to MDM I wouldnt know as I have not read them. Scidive I admire your simple faith. Is it possible you can show me the website where these messages are? I would like to read them myself.

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/

The e-book which you can dl in pdf format!

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/messages/e-books-volumes/

totus tuus

An evaluation of Maria Divine Mercy - not good!

http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false199.htm

Onesimus

I've read enough. . . I'm no self styled expert on the matter but I've read enough. . .

Anyhow, what pains me is that self styled theologians on the internet, creating their own websites in order to bash private revelations really is distasteful because the fact that they miss true ones really does destroy their credibility as so called ''miracle hunters'' etc. Such things as this should be submitted to the Church authorities, decided by them and in most cases be submitted to the Bishop and seers have a spiritual director. I don't see this in MDM.

But I also take these ''catholic planet'' websites with a pinch of salt too.

Surely a simple faith would imply you simply believe in the Catholic faith and it's teachings? That what the church tells you is what you should believe? I certainly wouldn't include believing in doomsday rubbish found online written by God know's who as simple faith.... sounds more like people who are bored with their religion and are looking for more than a ''simple'' belief to me.

God continues to speak to us, as his loving children we have simple faith in his prophets ( the true ones hopefully ). Sometimes we have faith in false ones, but when we later find out its false we admit this and we move on. No big deal. In order that we recognize the false ones its important we become grounded in our faith. But sometimes the so-called religious zealots often fail to recognize the true ones and end up persecuting them also so that is something we need to keep in mind too. There are religious zealots who believe in false revelations but there are also religious zealots who persecute the true ones. Its a windy road.

I don't have time to read every private revelation or prophecy under the sun. But so far my favourites are Fatima, Garabandal, Medjugorje, Poem of the Man God and True Life in God.

God has not just closed his mouth with the Bible and Sacred Tradition and so on. He continues to speak to us. He continues to call us back to himself. But often we fail to miss the rose amongst the many thorns of false prophets. Fatima ( now approved ) was not even believed by some bishops in its 7 years and still is not by some people. So if bishops can miss a true revelation what about us uneducated puppies? Garabandal is still not recognized nor is Medjugorje or others. we'll see anyway how it all unfolds.

But . . . have a simple faith, if it turns out to be false don't worry, its not like your goin to hell or anything for it.

totus tuus

Here is another site that lists messages from several seers from around the world, I would use discernment when reading them. The site owner used to include MDM messages but removed them for some reason.

http://afterthewarning.com/

Baggio1

hello dolly.. please dont churn out that ol' false chesnut that all the all knowing drunks tend to use when they suddenly decide they know something after 19 pints and shout "religeon causes wars!!"

which wars??.. korean war? nothin to do with religeon, ww1? nothing to do with religeon, ww2? nothing to do with religeon, vietnam war? nothing to do with religeon, napoleonic war? nothing to do with religeon!! man am running out of wars here!! crimean war? nothing to do with religeon, french/indian war and usa war of independance?.. nothing to do with war, 1st gulf war? nothing to do with religeon, second gulf war and afganisthan? nothing to do with religeon.

as i say,,,theres a huge list of the major wars and there are loads more which had NOTHING to do with religeon, its an assertion of used by those who just hate religeon, and well MDVM is a great new target for those people... personally i find it fascinating and accurate, what happens in the end we should see soon enough or not at all

newmug

hellodolly wrote: »

Oh yeah, and I decided to google the date 13/11/2012 and guess what? an eclipse of the sun is due on that date. Another happy (and planned of course) coincidence for the profiteers of the website/book. This eclipse happens every 117 days and four hours according to what I read so it cannot be viewed as a message or a sign from God...

A solar eclipse that happens every 117 days? I never saw it before, it must be fairly low-key! Even if this IS fake, I doubt anyone would try to claim that a barely noticable, regular, natural event was a supernatural one. I'm still undecided.

Benny_Cake

For all his craziness, I'll give Harold Camping some credit, he publicly held himself up to humiliation and ridicule by putting his name into the public domain with regard to his "prophecies". This "Maria Divine Mercy" individual, on the other hand, is hiding behind a cloak of anonymity and a whois lookup reveals that whoever set it up is paying a few bucks extra to remain anonymous. Ironically, there is a section on the website devoted to "false prophets"!

Every generation seems to have it's own group of people who are convinced that the end is near. Best not to worry about it and take Jesus at His word:

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Onesimus

I don't know much about MDM but . . . to be fair some mystics do not make themselves public for humble reasons and some do make themselves public. Each mystic has different temperments I guess.

That's all I'm sayin. I neither support nor condemn MDM. But I have read enough to make my own mind up.

scidive

hellodolly wrote: »

Scidive you are determined to believe in a website and a book that costs 15 euro without even knowing the real name of the person/company that is behind it all. Surely you know this is gulibility at it's purest?

I have seen this book and held it in my own hands and in fact read some of it, is just a catalogue of all the ''messages'' that were received last year and of course this year's collection will be published very shortly, just before The Warning in fact (wow good timing) ... It could not have cost any more than say 7 euro each to produce/get to the seller's hands. So already a profit of 8 euro per unit. The website obviously cost thousands to build initially and has a very good selling section using visa etc to be able to pay for this book. These things costs thousands to run; it's not a one-off payment, it's an ongoing concern...a business if you will. The website is updated daily with ''messages'' and some-one/a group of people run the sales dept....So what married mother sitting at home with her two little children while the husband goes out to work in his menial job can afford such expenses?

"The European's messages" as all the religious conspiracy theorists like to call "him/her" is just yet another garden path that you all want to be led up for what ever reason you have or don't have. What date in November is this all supposed to happen on again? What happens when this date comes and goes and there are no comets meeting in the sky and no big red cross to look up at? and Jesus doesn't come to visit you? Will you come on here then and say you were wrong? That you made a mistake and you shouldn't have spread lies in the name of Jesus? Because that is what I will be saying to the person I know who's going around doing it.

Even if a war broke out/an earthquake kills people/a volcano explodes...the last two happen obviously because of nature - relating these events to any kind of religious event/doomsday prophacy has long been known to be the beliefs only of mad-men and wars break out all the time, mainly to do WITH religion!! Nothin gets the bombs flying like two religious fanatical groups falling out with each other.

I'm really looking forward to Christmas this year...because by then this nonsense with be over and done with and I won't have to listen to this crazy talk in my own home ... until the next "end of the world seer" comes along!! (believe me...I've heard all this crap before!!!)

Hellodolly,

I might be gullible reading these messages, this person could be a great con artist and if they are I am out of pocket by €20 but I still liked the book and if this person meant it or not touched on many truths of the christian faith such rejection of new age spiritualism, fasting and self denial, humility necessary to enter heaven, the quest for wealth and many more truths spread throughout the book which I find are a great read and are well grounded advice for any christian.

I’m aware they are many false and failed prophesy down throughout the ages and even more so now with the internet and this could be another one so a Christian should not allow any false outcome to any supposed messages effect their faith.

However they are signs of the times that makes me take messages such as these a bit more seriously and these messages could just as easily be genuine so it would be irresponsible to ignore them my attitude is to read them and if in the future these messages begin to prove prophetic well it would be time to build a bunker and take out the Rosary beeds.

By the way where did you hear of the November date for the great warning as I haven’t come across it.

scidive

Are attacks against the current Pope increasing verifying some of the messages. Here is a recent message on the attack on the current Pope and also warning about changing the teachings of the Catholic church

May 26th, 2012 Today I ask of My followers, My dearest daughter, to pray hard for My beloved Vicar Pope Benedict XVI . He, My Holy Servant is under terrible persecution behind closed doors in the Holy See.I have told you before that the Masonic Groups who have a vice like grip inside The Vatican want My Beloved Pope out. And they intend to oust him form the Seat of Peter using devious means. He will, as I have told you in the past, have to flee for he will have little choice.This time is short. You must pray hard that he can stay as long as possible for as soon as he leaves, the imposter, the False Prophet, will take his place.

July 30th, 2012 Those dissidents in My Church on earth, who claim to be creating a new type of following in the name of the Catholic Church, but who deny My teachings, are being tempted by Satan who wants to destroy My Church. He, the evil one, has already caused terrible sin to corrupt My Church and now wants to hammer in the final nails when he will crucify My Church and, in turn, cast into Hell those sacred servants of Mine who desecrate the Word of God by facilitating the acceptance of sin among God’s children

And here in the Gaurdian on 5th October we see an attack the Pope and a call to change church canon laws

• guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 October 2012 15.25 BST

Catholic theologian preaches revolution to end church's 'authoritarian' rule

Hans Küng urges confrontation from the grassroots to unseat pope and force radical reform at Vatican

Hans Küng is appealing to priests and churchgoers to confront the Catholic hierarchy, which he says is corrupt, lacking credibility and apathetic to the real concerns of the church's members.

"The unconditional obedience demanded of bishops who swear their allegiance to the pope when they make their holy oath is almost as extreme as that of the German generals who were forced to swear an oath of allegiance to Hitler," he said.
The Vatican made a point of crushing any form of clerical dissent, he added. "The rules for choosing bishops are so rigid that as soon as candidates emerge who, say, stand up for the pill, or for the ordination of women, they are struck off the list." The result was a church of "yes men", almost all of whom unquestioningly toed the line.
"The only way for reform is from the bottom up," said Küng, 84, who is a priest. "The priests and others in positions of responsibility need to stop being so subservient, to organise themselves and say that there are certain things that they simply will not put up with anymore."
Far from putting the brakes on his prolific theological output, Küng has recently distilled the ideas of Weltethos – which seeks to create a global code of behaviour, or a globalisation of ethics – into a capricious musical libretto. Mixing narrative with excerpts from the teachings of Confucianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, Küng's writings have been incorporated into a major symphonic work by the British composer Jonathan Harvey that will have its London premiere on Sunday at the Southbank Centre.
Küng says the musical work, like the foundation, is an attempt to emphasise what the religions of the world have in common rather than what divides them. Weltethos was founded in the early 1990s as an attempt to bring the religions of the world together by emphasising what they have in common rather than what divides them. It has drawn up a code of behavioural rules that it hopes one day will be as universally acceptable as the UN. The work's aim is arguably high-minded – Harvey described the demanding task of writing a score for the text as an "awe-inspring responsibility". But Küng, who has won the support of leading figures including Henry Kissinger, Kofi Annan, Jacques Rogge, Desmond Tutu, Mary Robinson and Shirin Ebadi, insisted its aims were grounded in basic necessity." At a time of paradigm change in the world, we need a common set of principles, most obvious among them the Golden Rule, in which Confucius taught to not impose on others what you do not wish for yourself," he said

Onesimus

There is certainly a lot of tension in the vatican and Church at the moment. A lot are just like Hans Kung.

The Path to Christ sure is a narrow one indeed. Many of us show up for Church on Sunday, many of us feel a vocation to priesthood, but how many of us are actually on ''that'' narrow path? Here is a priest and ''theologian'' who rejects a fundamental and easy laid out dogma of the faith. He ignores the heretics of old like Mark the Gnostic who St.Irenaeus wrote about in the 2nd century about how foolish mark was to think he could ordain women as priests and so on. All these errors are just fresh ones with new labels coming at ya using ''semantics'' but semantics may change our perceptions of the truth but they do not change realities. That reality is that the Church has no authority to ordain women because it is something instiuted by Christ himself.

Scidive, how long has ''MDM'' been going for now? and has she got a spiritual director of any sort? and has she ever submitted her writings to the Local Bishop and CDF?

I ask as a brother with an open mind.

God bless

scidive

Onesimus wrote: »

There is certainly a lot of tension in the vatican and Church at the moment. A lot are just like Hans Kung.

The Path to Christ sure is a narrow one indeed. Many of us show up for Church on Sunday, many of us feel a vocation to priesthood, but how many of us are actually on ''that'' narrow path? Here is a priest and ''theologian'' who rejects a fundamental and easy laid out dogma of the faith. He ignores the heretics of old like Mark the Gnostic who St.Irenaeus wrote about in the 2nd century about how foolish mark was to think he could ordain women as priests and so on. All these errors are just fresh ones with new labels coming at ya using ''semantics'' but semantics may change our perceptions of the truth but they do not change realities. That reality is that the Church has no authority to ordain women because it is something instiuted by Christ himself.

Scidive, how long has ''MDM'' been going for now? and has she got a spiritual director of any sort? and has she ever submitted her writings to the Local Bishop and CDF?

I ask as a brother with an open mind.

God bless

Hi Onesimus

There sure seems to be rumblings going on in the vatican. I must look into the recent Popes Butler case and see if anything of interest is found. With regard to MDM I think she started about november 2010 and she has some spiritual guidance heres what the website states,

. This site has been set up to publish a series of divine messages which a Roman Catholic married mother of a young family living in Europe says she has been receiving from Jesus Christ, the Holy Trinity as well as by the Virgin Mary who she says wishes to be known by a new title “Mother of Salvation”.
The woman wishes to be known by the name Maria Divine Mercy and says that it is the wish of Jesus that she remains anonymous to protect her family and to avoid any disraction from the messages. The term Divine Mercy is used in her name because The Warning, a supernatural event, an act of Divine Intervention to save the world by God, is a manifestation of The Divine Mercy.
The messages have been received by her since November 2010 and are still ongoing. Over 450 have been received along with 66 Crusade Prayers. According to independent theologians the messages reinforce the Catholic teachings of faith and morals. Maria has been given the support of a number of believers including priests and Christian volunteers from various countries, to enable them to be revealed quickly to the world. They are, she says, being revealed to the world for its own good and that of others.
Whether officially approved by the Church or otherwise, through perchance worthy of pious credence, Catholic individuals are not morally obliged to espouse the messages emanating from any source of private revelation (e.g. apparitions, interior locutions and so forth). Unlike public revelation i.e. Sacred Scripture0 the Church herself has no providential protection in the realm of private revelations
Maria was told by Jesus that she is the 7th Messenger, the 7th Angel sent to reveal to the world the contents of the Seals in the Book of Revelation which can only be opened by the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. He will open the Seals and reveal, in advance, the contents. Maria has to publish them as each Seal is opened. He has told her she is the end time prophet.
At present Maria is receiving spiritual guidance from the Catholic Church

totus tuus

MDM is Irish, you can listen to her story in the following radio inteview! Some of her messages are in line with other visionaries, including St. Faustina in regards the Warning.



http://en.gloria.tv/?media=275942

newmug

totus tuus wrote: »

MDM is Irish, you can listen to her story in the following radio inteview! Some of her messages are in line with other visionaries, including St. Faustina in regards the Warning.



http://en.gloria.tv/?media=275942

Does anyone else find that it cuts off at 15.56, just as MDM is about to say what sins hurt Jesus the most? She gets out abortion, but then it goes silent for a few seconds.

Onesimus

newmug wrote: »

Does anyone else find that it cuts off at 15.56, just as MDM is about to say what sins hurt Jesus the most? She gets out abortion, but then it goes silent for a few seconds.

Yeah that happened me. I'm listening now before bed.

Onesimus

I dunno. Listened to the whole interview. Sounds interesting. It looks like she went to the Archbishop who naturally has a ''wait and see'' attitude, which is usually the case when something is predicted to happen. If it happens then they investigate further. She is also the third person I've heard describe God the Father as neither young nor old, and one of those persons is an approved apparition of the Church to a Nun in Italy. What I am careful about is that sometimes false mystics do tend to mimic the real ones and borrow from them in their writings mix mashed with something else. It's extremely difficult but it is important for us to be open at the same time.

I found that interesting. What I find a little shaky is that there does not seem to be any kind of theological study done upon the messages by a priest who would be very very learned in that area. This does make me wonder a little. I feel that Maria should at least ( if she hasnt already ) submit her messages for theological study. Visit a psychologist, pay an extremely good exorcist a visit and do all this just incase it isnt from God. The Devil is clever and he can give people stigmata and he can also create what would seem to be miracles of healing too.

But simplicity is the key, and I guess I thank Jesus for MDM but I'm gonna stick with what I have at the moment.

Thanks scidive for the interesting messages.

God bless