SIPTU shutting down the airports next week!

BOHtox

end of the road wrote: »

not in ireland he wouldn't, as cuts are happening we can't afford to be sacking workers. where would we get the money to pay the wellfare/dole for them all? better to make a deal with them that suits the worker and imploye, hopefully this is what will happen now the strikes are off.

He deemed the strike illegal. He basically said get back to work tomorrow or you're gone. I think most tried to call his bluff! No payment needed!

woodoo

Fair play to them they are striking for something they believe in. If this country did more protesting them maybe we might not be walked over so much.

CruelCoin

Cian92 wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous...

Your right to strike is fully protected by the law. Lets not make stupid statements.

Guards.......derp

IzzyWizzy

Cian92 wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous...

Your right to strike is fully protected by the law. Lets not make stupid statements.

Have you any idea what I do or where I live? If I went on strike, I would be immediately replaced. I guarantee you that. It would be seen as gross misconduct. I'm expected to turn up to work every day unless I'm extremely ill or have an equally valid excuse. If I don't like my working conditions, I can leave. Not all of us are Irish public sector workers with cushy 9-5 desk jobs, sick pay and pensions.

CruelCoin

norrie rugger wrote: »

And?

Just saying that its a bit more severe than just affecting someones "day".

It affects weeks, with months of planning and anticipation being ruined also.

Just saying you're downplaying the effect of the strikes.

end of the road

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

cushy 9-5 desk jobs,

yes, if your in management, if your working on the ground in these jobs its no more (cushy) then any other average job, but don't let your begrudgery and jealousy get in the way.

IzzyWizzy

end of the road wrote: »

yes, if your in management, if your working on the ground in these jobs its no more (cushy) then any other average job, but don't let your begrudgery and jealousy get in the way.

You're great at missing the point, aren't you? I don't want a 9-5 desk job, which is why I'm not doing one. The point is that apparently 'the law' says anyone can go on strike and that's absolute bollix. Plenty of people are working without fixed-hour contracts, without sick pay or holiday pay, pensions etc and you think they can just go on strike? Yeah, good luck with that.

ruthloss

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

Have you any idea what I do or where I live? If I went on strike, I would be immediately replaced. I guarantee you that. It would be seen as gross misconduct. I'm expected to turn up to work every day unless I'm extremely ill or have an equally valid excuse. If I don't like my working conditions, I can leave. Not all of us are Irish public sector workers with cushy 9-5 desk jobs, sick pay and pensions.

You badly need a Union in there!!:rolleyes:

Toby Take a Bow

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

You're great at missing the point, aren't you? I don't want a 9-5 desk job, which is why I'm not doing one. The point is that apparently 'the law' says anyone can go on strike and that's absolute bollix. Plenty of people are working without fixed-hour contracts, without sick pay or holiday pay, pensions etc and you think they can just go on strike? Yeah, good luck with that.

One of the reasons I support people's right to strike. The end result, if we don't support people's right to strike, is that everyone works jobs with no entitlements or benefits. Management (as is their nature) will try to chip away at people's benefits, and once they're gone, they'll keep trying to chip away.

I have never worked a 'cushy' desk job, and have never worked for the PS, and while membership of a union was 'frowned' upon by management, it never stopped me. And when it came to use the unions, I did, and it worked out well for me.

martinLintzgy

norrie rugger wrote: »

• Unfortunately, I am not in the happy position to be able to hold a gun at the head of my employer.

What if you had it in your contract that they did have to look afterm your pension, as it was a company administrated pension?
My company manages our fund, they also made a hell of a lot of profit from it, through its investments, during the boom.
Now that it is not making money they should not be allowed to force that onto the workers.

• Siptu look after their members, and screw everyone else

Why would they look after anyone else?

Dear Norrie,

The pension scheme I have is with BOI, not my employer. The BOI have the nerve to charge me 1.25% "management fee" to facilitate them losing my money. My employer does not make money out of the scheme.

Siptu - are they socialists or not ? If so, then they should be considering ALL workers, whether they be in the public sector, or private sector, or members of other unions.
By 'pissing off' hard working workers who want a holiday, or to visit rellies is setting one group of workers against another.
Is this socialism?

The plain fact is opportunism. If a large union has opportunity to hold a gun then it will. Workers who find themselves in a competitive market, or are self employed, or work in 'portable industries' do not have this luxury.
(If workers are employed by large multinationals show unrest, then at the drop of a hat, those companies are off into the sunset.)

I look look on in envy at the security of employment, the pensions, the holidays, the allowances, the entitlements, the early retirement, sick leave opportunity, that state and semi state workers enjoy.
And one last word.
If you are thinking of buying a house,
If you work for the state, or a semi state - Great time to buy.
If you work in the private sector, retail sector, or self employed - don't bother applying for a mortgage.
Says it all.

hatrickpatrick

Shelflife wrote: »

So they threaten industrial action, what happens now is that potential customers will instantly avoid aer lingus and go to their competitors, thus putting the company in an even worse position, by merely threatening action they hurt the company and therefore by extension themselves.

madness in this current climate.

The whole point is the hope that the company will back down, as the lesser of two evils.
That's generally the purpose of striking...

Cian92

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

Have you any idea what I do or where I live? If I went on strike, I would be immediately replaced. I guarantee you that. It would be seen as gross misconduct. I'm expected to turn up to work every day unless I'm extremely ill or have an equally valid excuse. If I don't like my working conditions, I can leave. Not all of us are Irish public sector workers with cushy 9-5 desk jobs, sick pay and pensions.

I have no idea what you do, but I do know you are entitled to strike, unless a member of the Gardai.

Btw, I don't work in the PS, or work 9-5, get sick pay or a pension. I work part time (with no fixed working hours) while in college in a factory. I joined a union, it was not welcomed by management, but it has most certainly helped me. I can strike. You can too.

Unions are the devil.. They helped set standards a long time ago but in this day and age, they're not protecting anybody. They're merely getting higher wages for their members.

Toby Take a Bow

Deleted User wrote: »

Unions are the devil.. They helped set standards a long time ago but in this day and age, they're not protecting anybody. They're merely getting higher wages for their members.

Have you read any of the replies giving personal testimony that show that isn't the case? Unions aren't just about 'higher' pay, they're for ensuring proper wages are paid, proper procedures are followed in cases of dismissal/redundancy and that people aren't taken advantage of in terms of overtime/dangerous work.

eth0

Back in the day I was walking past a picket organised by SIPTU, twas a could enough day and one lad wearing a SIPTU placard around his neck was brewing a cupan tae over his barrel with a fire lit inside it.

So I went up to him and said "Can I have a SIPTU?"


/gets coat

Toby Take a Bow

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Have you read any of the replies giving personal testimony that show that isn't the case? Unions aren't just about 'higher' pay, they're for ensuring proper wages are paid, proper procedures are followed in cases of dismissal/redundancy and that people aren't taken advantage of in terms of overtime/dangerous work.

BS. You make the huge amount of non union jobs in every country sound the wild west.

Toby Take a Bow

Deleted User wrote: »

BS. You make the huge amount of non union jobs in every country sound the wild west.

No, I'm not. But unions can help you to get the correct wages and better working conditions (which they did in my case). Hardly 'wild west'.

Flex

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Have you read any of the replies giving personal testimony that show that isn't the case? Unions aren't just about 'higher' pay, they're for ensuring proper wages are paid, proper procedures are followed in cases of dismissal/redundancy and that people aren't taken advantage of in terms of overtime/dangerous work.

Just my own view on things, but all the businesses Ive worked in have caused me to see unions in a negative light. Theyre simply lobby groups for hire, and hypocrites of the highest order (Jack O Connor, Begg, etc.).

If youre a good efficient worker and make it worth your employers time to have you there then your employer will offer you above market rates of pay and benefits in order to avoid other companies poaching you, or to disincentivise you searching out better jobs. Just need to know how valuable you are, and to constantly try upskill and gain more experience to keep increasing it

Kintarō Hattori

Not to ask a stupid question but, does this only affect people flying with Aer Lingus?


*Cowers while awaiting angry replies to possibly stupidly obvious question.

Toby Take a Bow

Flex wrote: »

Just my own view on things, but all the businesses Ive worked in have caused me to see unions in a negative light. Theyre simply lobby groups for hire, and hypocrites of the highest order (Jack O Connor, Begg, etc.).

If youre a good efficient worker and make it worth your employers time to have you there then your employer will offer you above market rates of pay and benefits in order to avoid other companies poaching you, or to disincentivise you searching out better jobs. Just need to know how valuable you are, and to constantly try upskill and gain more experience to keep increasing it

Well, as I've said before, I don't view the unions in a wholly positive light: I realise there's corruption there, I'm not a fan of Jack O'Connor and I believe they're far removed from the original intention of what unions were supposed to be.

With regards to your job description, that's great: you don't have to get involved with unions as your manager/employer is clearly an enlightened woman/man and sees the benefit of the 'cost' of employees. It's not always like that, however, and certain industries (such as the one I was in) are not easy to move around in without starting again from the beginning. In cases like this, the advantage is clearly in the employers' area, and it's in instances like this that unions can be beneficial.

seanmacgabhann

remember its peoples pensions that are being f***ed by aer lingus thats brouoght in the Unions!

c_man

So is there any news on this going ahead...? Got a flight on Saturday

Kess73

seanmacgabhann wrote: »

remember its peoples pensions that are being f***ed by aer lingus thats brouoght in the Unions!

Yep pensions that folk are still paying into and also pensions of folk who are now retired, who paid their pensions dues in full, and have already seen a number of cuts to that pension already.

Boombastic

Fcukers and I just booked a flight. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:






I have no sympathy for the fat overpaid d1ckheads If I get my hands on those beardy b@stards, I won't be responsible for my actions

Br4tPr1nc3

Boombastic wrote: »

Fcukers and I just booked a flight. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:






I have no sympathy for the fat overpaid d1ckheads If I get my hands on those beardy b@stards, I won't be responsible for my actions

look at the date.
it was back on the 26th of september.

hah i was the same, i have flights book for 2 weeks time, and started to panic.

awec

Unions are filth.

Striking because their taxpayer funded pensions are being cut? Absolute chancers, f**k right off.

Boombastic

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

look at the date.
it was back on the 26th of september.

hah i was the same, i have flights book for 2 weeks time, and started to panic.

thanks
I couldn't see the date through my fit of rage:D

libra02

Boombastic wrote: »

Fcukers and I just booked a flight. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:






I have no sympathy for the fat overpaid d1ckheads If I get my hands on those beardy b@stards, I won't be responsible for my actions

I hate to say this but apparently there is still a threat of strike action hanging over the DAA & Aer Lingus but it is being kept out of the media for the obvious reasons.

I read a small article in paper last week that SIPTU rejected Aer Lingus offer of money and the LRC is trying to get SIPTU back into talks.

I am surprised the media - both print and broadcast - is keeping a lid on this but I suppose the unions know they will be no support from public so they keep it on the low profile and go public on Wed/Thur causing up roar and extra pressure on company and Goverment.

Ive been scouring the web to see can i find any updates on this but no luck so far.

Problem is the union threatened to strike for up to 2 weeks in some form or another. I have a flight out in 2 weeks times for job interviews abroad and if I miss them due to this I swear :mad:

With the DAA going on strike it means the airports close and no body can get in or out.

Elessar

awec wrote: »

Unions are filth.

Striking because their taxpayer funded pensions are being cut? Absolute chancers, f**k right off.

Taxpayer funded? Jesus this thread is full of unfathomable ignorance. The begruding Irish at their best!

Shut down the airports for a week I say, it's not as if the DAA and Aerlingus are broke. Of course they will never let that happen, so it's a good bargaining tool.

If it was anyone else here, you would be standing right beside the workers fighting for your pension.

Though I support any industrial action (your right to do this is effectively enshrined in law for all citizens, imagine how bad it must be in your workplace to get to this point) there are far more pressing matters in Dublin Airport that don't seem to receive the same attention from SIPTU.

Lustrum

Boombastic wrote: »

Fcukers and I just booked a flight. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:






I have no sympathy for the fat overpaid d1ckheads If I get my hands on those beardy b@stards, I won't be responsible for my actions

11 out of 10 for making me laugh with the most rage I've ever seen in a post about something that was happening a month ago!!

Now I must go shave off my beard, just in case...