Rats Fed Lifetime of GM Corn Grow Horrifying Tumors, new study.

Run_to_da_hills

I wasn't too long ago when we had protests in this country concerning the Government permitting the cultivation GM spuds which is no different o poisoning the population with fluoride water. New studies by french scientists reveal large tumors have developed on rats that have been fed on GM corn.

God help our kids if Governments are continually allowed to fcuk about with nature.

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/09/20/shocking-findings-in-new-gmo-study-rats-fed-lifetime-of-gm-corn-grow-horrifying-tumors/

eth0

Fecking General Motors, first they can't make cars, now they can't even grow corn

Dravokivich

Compared to rats being fed Corn?

Promac

"god help our kids"...

Right.

Ziphius

Posted this in another thread
http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/gm_maize_causes_tumors_rats_here_how_experts_responded-94259

It shows some of the criticism of this study comng from the scientific community.

Some include that this rat line has a tendencey to develop tumors anyway, no adequate control, and poor use of statistics.

Moreover the rats in the study were being fed Roundup pesticide in adition to the GM maize.

working fool

Any of them develop super powers ?

Just don't feed GM corn to rats, problem solved.

FatherLen

yeah i hate corn too.

Boombastic

will they stop it? My guess is no but if a rat seems a bit sleepy after some cannibas-keep it banned. :pac:

Ziphius

Ziphius wrote: »

Moreover the rats in the study were being fed Roundup pesticide in adition to the GM maize.

Sure what harm is a bit of Roundup on your cornflakes in the morning - it keeps you regular.

Ravenid

Being the devils advocate here the tests done were not anywhere close to accepted scientific standards.

The test pool was too small (Only 20 rats were tested).
The group who did the testing have refused to pass on their full testing results unless anyone who reads it signs a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
And worst of all the rats being used are known to develop the same Tumors naturally. World wide they are never used in any scientific test for this exact reason.

Run this test again with a normal test pool, with both the process and results open to everyone and using the standard testing procedures and I'd take it seriously.

MagicMarker

If it's posted by RTDHs then you know you can ignore it.

Ziphius

Ravenid wrote: »

Being the devils advocate here the tests done were not anywhere close to accepted scientific standards.

The test pool was too small (Only 20 rats were tested).
The group who did the testing have refused to pass on their full testing results unless anyone who reads it signs a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
And worst of all the rats being used are known to develop the same Tumors naturally. World wide they are never used in any scientific test for this exact reason.

Run this test again with a normal test pool, with both the process and results open to everyone and using the standard testing procedures and I'd take it seriously.

Indeed, additionally GM food has been in the food chain (human and animal) for decades without any deleterious effects.

Run_to_da_hills

Ziphius wrote: »

Posted this in another thread
http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/gm_maize_causes_tumors_rats_here_how_experts_responded-94259

It shows some of the criticism of this study comng from the scientific community.

Some include that this rate line has a tendencey to develop tumors anyway, no adequate control, and poor use of statistics.

Moreover the rats in the study were being fed Roundup pesticide in adition to the GM maize.

The same scientific community that is telling us that drinking fluorinated water is good for our health. :rolleyes:

Boombastic

Ziphius wrote: »

Indeed, additionally GM food has been in the food chain (human and animal) for decades without any deleterious effects.

There have been a rise in the prevalence of many diseases over the decades, who's to say it's not the crap in the food? Cancer?

BlimpyBoy

The article has two links to Daily Mail articles on GM crops causing "horrific tumors".

That's all I needed to know.

Ziphius

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The same scientific community that is telling us that drinking fluorinated water is good for our health. :rolleyes:

Er... no, these would be plant and crop scientists. Did you read the link?
I imagine it is human physiologists or dental scientists who know the most about water fluoridation.

Incidentally, fluoridation of drinking water is perfectly safe and can benefit tooth mineralization.

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/09/20/shocking-findings-in-new-gmo-study-rats-fed-lifetime-of-gm-corn-grow-horrifying-tumors/

Eating genetically modified corn (GM corn) and consuming trace levels of Monsanto’s Roundup chemical fertilizer caused rats to develop horrifying tumors, widespread organ damage, and premature death.

OMG roundup herbicide is toxic :eek:


Link to original paper - if you want to do the paper trail
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637


If you want a CT theory
At present about half Monsato's income is from it's roundup line but the Chinese have been eating into that market because the patent for roundup has expired. If it were banned Monsato would be able to charge more for it's patented herbicides.

It's like CFC's being banned when the patents expired all over again.

Ziphius

Boombastic wrote: »

There have been a rise in the prevalence of many diseases over the decades, who's to say it's not the crap in the food? Cancer?

People are living longer and eating more. Obesity is a huge risk factor in most modern 'diseases of affluence' such as cancer and heart disease.

Boombastic

Ziphius wrote: »

People are living longer and eating more. Obesity is a huge risk factor in most modern 'iseases of affluence' such as cancer and heart disease.

Living longer from better, less damp living conditions and eradication of TB


Eating more - Obesity = overdosing on food = cancer and heart disease


I don't like my food being messed with by scientists.

Ziphius

Boombastic wrote: »

I don't like my food being messed with by scientists.

Probably not a whole lot left for you to eat in that case.

Genghiz Cohen

The title could just as easily read "Rat drank water grew horrifying tumors" for all the weight that study carries.

Shenshen

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I wasn't too long ago when we had protests in this country concerning the Government permitting the cultivation GM spuds which is no different o poisoning the population with fluoride water. New studies by french scientists reveal large tumors have developed on rats that have been fed on GM corn.

God help our kids if Governments are continually allowed to fcuk about with nature.

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/09/20/shocking-findings-in-new-gmo-study-rats-fed-lifetime-of-gm-corn-grow-horrifying-tumors/

Lab rats?
You do know that there are no rats in captivity that will not develop cancer by the time they are about2 years old? They've been bred this way for generations by cancer researchers.
Even pet rats these days have this genetic makeup.

So forgive me for doubting this particular study.

BASHIR

Roundup something designed to kill plant life, well of course their gonna get bloody tumors.

admiralofthefleet

wait til run to da hills see's this thread

Run_to_da_hills

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

wait til run to da hills see's this thread

More here.

70% of females die early :eek:

http://naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html

NewVision

Shenshen wrote: »

Lab rats?
You do know that there are no rats in captivity that will not develop cancer by the time they are about2 years old? They've been bred this way for generations by cancer researchers.
Even pet rats these days have this genetic makeup.

So forgive me for doubting this particular study.

The rats fed with that GM maize developed 5 times more cancer cases than a comparison group which got fed with ordinary maize. Such comparison groups are standard in every study.

Monsanto Roundup weedkiller and GM maize implicated in ‘shocking’ new cancer study

Now we know why the industry was testing only a maximum of 90 days!


France orders probe after rat study links GM corn, cancer



It's overdue to act!

YFlyer

BASHIR wrote: »

Roundup something designed to kill plant life, well of course their gonna get bloody tumors.

It's meant to kill rats?

100% of rats die

:eek:

Elessar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The same scientific community that is telling us that drinking fluorinated water is good for our health. :rolleyes:

Is that you, Jim Corr?

Ziphius

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More here.

70% of females die early :eek:

http://naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html

This is based on the same study.

25% of rats in the control group (i.e. not fed GM maize or pesticide) developed tumors.

Guy:Incognito

NewVision wrote: »

The rats fed with that GM maize developed 5 times more cancer cases than a comparison group which got fed with ordinary maize. Such comparison groups are standard in every study.
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Ziphius wrote: »

25% of rats in the control group (i.e. not fed GM maize or pesticide) developed tumors.

Does that mean 125% of the gm maize rats got cancer?

Curly Judge

I'll just file this report with the others showing deformities in Belarus children and using shock photos blaming fallout from Chernobyl.
In other words, in my voluminous Bull Shyte folder.

MagicSean

What does this mean for my burger?

partyatmygaff

NewVision wrote: »

It's overdue to act!

Act against what? The pesticide or that strain of GM corn?

Something's not quite right with this study. Hundreds of millions of thousands of animals have been fed GM produce by farmers with no ill effect so far.

Ziphius

NewVision wrote: »

The rats fed with that GM maize developed 5 times more cancer cases than a comparison group which got fed with ordinary maize. Such comparison groups are standard in every study.

Monsanto Roundup weedkiller and GM maize implicated in ‘shocking’ new cancer study

Now we know why the industry was testing only a maximum of 90 days!


France orders probe after rat study links GM corn, cancer



It's overdue to act!

Nice video, amazing what you can do in 24 hours :rolleyes:

Patrick Holden is the CEO of the Sustainable Food Trust and a"campaigner for organic food and farming"
http://www.sustainablefoodtrust.org/author/patrickholden/

Ziphius

The genuine point of concern is how this paper got through peer review.

hardCopy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Ziphius wrote: »

Posted this in another thread
http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/gm_maize_causes_tumors_rats_here_how_experts_responded-94259

It shows some of the criticism of this study comng from the scientific community.

Some include that this rate line has a tendencey to develop tumors anyway, no adequate control, and poor use of statistics.

Moreover the rats in the study were being fed Roundup pesticide in adition to the GM maize.

The same scientific community that is telling us that drinking fluorinated water is good for our health. :rolleyes:

As opposed to the CT community who tell us the world is controlled by Jewish lizard aliens, yes I'll believe the scientists thanks.

NewVision

Here the abstract => A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health

YFlyer

Ziphius wrote: »

This is based on the same study.

25% of rats in the control group (i.e. not fed GM maize or pesticide) developed tumors.

Where in the paper does it say this?

NewVision

bluewolf wrote: »

100% of rats die

:eek:

U 2

Shenshen

NewVision wrote: »

The rats fed with that GM maize developed 5 times more cancer cases than a comparison group which got fed with ordinary maize. Such comparison groups are standard in every study.

Monsanto Roundup weedkiller and GM maize implicated in ‘shocking’ new cancer study

Now we know why the industry was testing only a maximum of 90 days!


France orders probe after rat study links GM corn, cancer



It's overdue to act!

So what were te results for the group that was fed the GM grains without the weedkiller added?
Just out of curiosity, really.

NewVision

Ziphius wrote: »

The genuine point of concern is how this paper got through peer review.

Why? Because it doesn't fit into your bias?

Shenshen

NewVision wrote: »

Here the abstract => A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health

Thanks for posting that, it does provide a good deal more information than the panic-mongering article previously referred to.

I find this bit the most telling :

Effects were mostly associated with the kidney and liver, the dietary detoxifying organs, although different between the 3 GMOs. Other effects were also noticed in the heart, adrenal glands, spleen and haematopoietic system. We conclude that these data highlight signs of hepatorenal toxicity, possibly due to the new pesticides specific to each GM corn.

While there certainly are more aspects to this than a layperson such as myself would be able to grasp easily, it does sound a lot like they were mostly poisoned. Which seems to be more likely to be due to the weed killer than due to the genertic alterations of the food.

Ziphius

YFlyer wrote: »

Where in the paper does it say this?

The paper is behind a paywall so I can't read it. However I'll try and get it.

I'm getting my information from New Scientist. A good article here.

New Scientist wrote:

"But didn't the treated rats get sicker than the untreated rats?
Some did, but that's not the fully story. It wasn't that rats fed GM maize or herbicide got tumours, and the control rats did not. Five of the 20 control rats – 25 per cent – got tumours and died, while 60 per cent in "some test groups" that ate GM maize died. Some other test groups, however, were healthier than the controls."

NewVision

Shenshen wrote: »

So what were te results for the group that was fed the GM grains without the weedkiller added?
Just out of curiosity, really.

=> A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health

Boombastic

Ziphius wrote: »

Probably not a whole lot left for you to eat in that case.

I grow most of my own still not out of their clutches, but minimal impact

Ziphius

NewVision wrote: »

Why? Because it doesn't fit into your bias?

If by bias you mean that peer review should ensure that only well wriiten papers with sound, repeatable experimental methodologies are published than yes. Yes, it "doesn't fit into [my] bias".

spank_inferno

In other news:
Studies have shown that labratory rats fed only a diet of "Korn" all go deaf.

:pac:

Shenshen

NewVision wrote: »

=> A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health

According to this, there was no control group who got fed GM maize without weed killer residue.

So, all that study does show is that in sufficiently high concentration, weed killer isn't healthy for rats.

Well, paint me pink and call me surprised! Who'd have thought?

NewVision

Shenshen wrote: »

Thanks for posting that, it does provide a good deal more information than the panic-mongering article previously referred to.

I find this bit the most telling :



While there certainly are more aspects to this than a layperson such as myself would be able to grasp easily, it does sound a lot like they were mostly poisoned. Which seems to be more likely to be due to the weed killer than due to the genertic alterations of the food.

"find this bit the most telling"

That "weed killer" are two Bt toxins used as insecticides produced by the maize itself due to genetic manipulation by Monsanto. Maybe you read the study before you're citing it and drawing false conclusions.