WIT Student behaviour - Lismore Park

Nas10

As I write this I have been kept awake by about 20 students screaming and shouting and drinking in the middle of a somewhat elderly housing estate, if that was not enough out came the hurleys too and along came 7 taxi's all qued up beeping horns ready to take them into town to get twisted. Must be nice to be spending daddies hard earned cash so freely.

Oh well time to polish that old baseball bat and go late night mosquito swatting, hope no students get in the way :mad:

Sully

Call the Guards? Its now illegal to drink in public places. From what I read on Facebook, Templers is manic also but they have a private security firm at their disposal!

Nas10

Sully wrote: »

Call the Guards? Its now illegal to drink in public places. From what I read on Facebook, Templers is manic also but they have a private security firm at their disposal!

Rang them and they are short staffed and said they will be out but students left for town, guards said there was not a whole lot they can do. Don't know how they will ever hope to get a Uni here with this sort of bad publicity.

daftdave

knock on the door with the bat in ur hand, and tell them if it happens again that the first one you come across, his face will be meeting the end of your bat.

YumDeiseMum

Sully wrote: »

Call the Guards? Its now illegal to drink in public places. From what I read on Facebook, Templers is manic also but they have a private security firm at their disposal!

€75 on the spot fine if I remember correctly. The guards were well able to "warn" people about this while the spraoi was on. Now's the time to enforce it with the students

seven_eleven

complain to the college immediately.

MitchKoobski

It begins......

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Cabaal

MitchKoobski wrote: »

It begins......

(I can't post my usually appropriate GIF as I am currently in work...)

Not sure what your usual gif it but how about this

seven_eleven

Cabaal wrote: »

Not sure what your usual gif it but how about this

I think its michael jackson eating popcorn.gif

mike65

Students - keeping property prices lower in certain areas for decades.

Ledger

Before I start OP, I would just like to say I agree with you on those students being completely out of order.

But please do not paint all students with the one brush straight away at the start of the year, I'm 21, I finished college last year and a couple of friends of mine from my course lived in Lismore Park last year.

I was in the house with them a good few nights over the year and there were no complaints from neighbours. Quite the opposite, the immediate neighbours on either side told the landlord how much of a decent crowd they were (not loud/late/etc).

By the way, just on another note OP, "Spending Daddy's money"???? No. Like a lot of people in WIT, I earn my own money to spend, I do not get anything from govt to go to college either.

Nas10

Ledger wrote: »

Before I start OP, I would just like to say I agree with you on those students being completely out of order.

But please do not paint all students with the one brush straight away at the start of the year, I'm 21, I finished college last year and a couple of friends of mine from my course lived in Lismore Park last year.

I was in the house with them a good few nights over the year and there were no complaints from neighbours. Quite the opposite, the immediate neighbours on either side told the landlord how much of a decent crowd they were (not loud/late/etc).

By the way, just on another note OP, "Spending Daddy's money"???? No. Like a lot of people in WIT, I earn my own money to spend, I do not get anything from govt to go to college either.

Fair play, I have no problem saying when students are good and we have had some last year in my area and it was great to see. But sadly there is always people who will ruin it for others. I do not want to paint all with the one brush but that is very hard to do when you have to be up early for work but can't sleep due to noise pollution.

Petey89

had the same thing myself last night, i live in penrose lane and i know its not the best place anyway but i was woken up 2 or 3 times last night by students roaring and shouting around the street, its grand if they want to go out and have a good time but when they are going around acting like complete morons its a different story, and the evidence of students being back was all around the street this morning broken bottles and empty beer cans, the gaurds better cop on and start enforcing the no drinking in public places law soon.

Finnbar01

The Cave man brought down from the mountain syndrome.

Potential-Monke

Just want to put this out there for any students that can pass on the message:

The new public by-laws regarding drinking apply to the group, not the individual. So, if there are 10 people together and only 1 is drinking, it is taken for granted that all are drinking, ie: sharing. There is no recourse from this. It is putting the responsibility on all the people in the group to ensure that no-one is drinking in public.

So, if you're in a group or 10 and only 1 is drinking, all 10 will get the €75 fine or a summons/court appearance if you don't pay.

As for the Gardai responding, well, i think you should try and get in contact with someone who knows a Garda working the streets to see why there is a delayed response. Unfortunately, nothing i can post here.

Media999

There are no Guards to respond. Fact.

Nas10

Wednesday night, the 3rd night of the first week and we are off again. 40+ students partying on the street. Urinating on the middle of the street, shouting loud, heckling neighbours, littering other people's property and the street. Cops arrive in unmarked car and hunt them all in, one guy in particular was showing them he meant business and fair play they did stay till they all left and the police jeep arrived for good measure. The students only came back out to get into taxi's.

No doubt that this is a serious problem for not only my neighbourhood but others also. I am not sure what can be done but the cops did not issue any fines or warning despite plenty of anti social behaviour. While I do admire the way the cops hunted them off the streets I do think that maybe its time to have a zero tolerance for this kind of behaviour and I am not just on about students as all housing estates will no doubt have teens upto no good too. I know a lot of paper work is involved but it is part of their job and what worries me more is if this continues to happen then I can see students or neighbours losing it and someone being seriously hurt which no one really wants to see.

I hope to keep this post alive and hope other neighbourhood residents will share there stories too, I was young once myself and am all for celebrations and so one but never at someone else's expense and certainly not to make people feel unsafe and afraid at home.

S28382

Give em all a kick in the bollicks........the women need a kick in the bollicks 2..........:pac: then they cant urinate and their screaming voices will be high pitched and not so loud.

On a serious note tho......id fu*King kill every one of them if they were doing that next to me.

Professey Chin

We just have to listen to some in passing when theyre stumbling to/from town. Irritating fcukers. Its a bad thing when youre hoping for heavy rain to keep the fcukers in taxis -_-

Old Perry

Hmm wednesday...First student night of the year.Maybe keep an eye out your window or something and watch which houses they are in, call round next day introduce yourself ,ask for a name and report them straight to the college?.....sympathies to anyone who has to live in these areas, not a nice way to live for nine months of the year at all.

kryogen

The owner of the house next to my missus years ago started renting to students, they were extremely loud, and obnoxious according to her dad who one fateful night kicked in the door of the house and ripped the stereo system off the wall. The students were in shock and were much better behaved after that night, for a while.

He also got into a few blazing rows with the owner and told him if he didnt stop renting to students he was going to burn the house down, and the owner was welcome to try prove it was him if he could!

The moral of the story is actually to go straight to the owner if you are having problems and tell them you are reporting them to the Gardai etc and if you think they may not be declaring the rental income tell them you will be reporting them to the tax man and rent board etc too.

I do not of course advocate the use of violence against them, unless you are sure there will be no witnesses

spankysue

I really feel for you OP, I used to live over a student in a flat and it was a nightmare. Every fcuking night he'd go out, then bring half the nightclub home with him at 3am, shouting and screaming. I absolutely hated that noisy cnut...and I told him so, over and over

Wanderer2010

Ledger wrote: »

Before I start OP, I would just like to say I agree with you on those students being completely out of order.

But please do not paint all students with the one brush straight away at the start of the year, I'm 21, I finished college last year and a couple of friends of mine from my course lived in Lismore Park last year.

I was in the house with them a good few nights over the year and there were no complaints from neighbours. Quite the opposite, the immediate neighbours on either side told the landlord how much of a decent crowd they were (not loud/late/etc).

By the way, just on another note OP, "Spending Daddy's money"???? No. Like a lot of people in WIT, I earn my own money to spend, I do not get anything from govt to go to college either.

Thats is not at all helpful and has nothing to do with anything, poster. So what if not all students are troublemakers, thats the same old line wheeled out year after year from WIT officials when home owners are driven mad by the antics of scumbag students. It doesnt help the people who are suffering because of the sizeable minority of students who scream, hold late parties, double park etc. Some of them are little toerags who deserve nothing less than a severe beating.

And, I agree with the OP, that to be a student nowadays, what with the huge fees increase, you probably are leeching off mummy and daddy, pissing away their weekly allowances down the pub instead of using it wisely, so yes, a lot of the posh idiots need manners drilled into them. No good just saying that not all students are like that. We already knew that..

Media999

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

And, I agree with the OP, that to be a student nowadays, what with the huge fees increase, you probably are leeching off mummy and daddy.

Bull****.

Complete and utter.

If your kids came to you and asked you for a loan to educate themselves you would call them leechers and tell them to piss off would you?

deisedave

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Thats is not at all helpful and has nothing to do with anything, poster. So what if not all students are troublemakers, thats the same old line wheeled out year after year from WIT officials when home owners are driven mad by the antics of scumbag students. It doesnt help the people who are suffering because of the sizeable minority of students who scream, hold late parties, double park etc. Some of them are little toerags who deserve nothing less than a severe beating.

And, I agree with the OP, that to be a student nowadays, what with the huge fees increase, you probably are leeching off mummy and daddy, pissing away their weekly allowances down the pub instead of using it wisely, so yes, a lot of the posh idiots need manners drilled into them. No good just saying that not all students are like that. We already knew that..

You are right in one way, students cause some load of trouble in this town but I can see where some students who dont drink and cause trouble could be coming from they might get some slack for being students because of the scumbags who mess about. But the students who are doing the messing need to be sorted out. They are causing alot of trouble between damaging property and being drunk keeping people awake etc.

It is the authorities fault really guards, W.I.T. etc, who do not do much to try and discourage this kind of behaviour. I have to deal with it the whole time where I live and luckily I can just up and move when I need too. It would suck to be someone who bought a house and trying to raise a family near all that.

Ledger

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Thats is not at all helpful and has nothing to do with anything, poster. So what if not all students are troublemakers, thats the same old line wheeled out year after year from WIT officials when home owners are driven mad by the antics of scumbag students. It doesnt help the people who are suffering because of the sizeable minority of students who scream, hold late parties, double park etc. Some of them are little toerags who deserve nothing less than a severe beating.

And, I agree with the OP, that to be a student nowadays, what with the huge fees increase, you probably are leeching off mummy and daddy, pissing away their weekly allowances down the pub instead of using it wisely, so yes, a lot of the posh idiots need manners drilled into them. No good just saying that not all students are like that. We already knew that..

Ok, can I start off by asking who the hell do you think you are?

Does it say ANYWHERE in my post that the OP is wrong? No. I started the post by saying I agree with him. If I was living beside a crowd like that I would say the same thing he is. And yes! Even when I was a student.

And secondly, "The same old line wheeled out year after year"? There's a reason it's "wheeled out" each year, people forget that it's a minority of students who act like this. The majority of students would agree with the OP in saying they are acting the complete and utter pr1ck.

And yes, I agree that what I'm saying does not help the OP in any way. I am merely defending my own corner, which I think is allowed, no? Now I don't know you at all, but lets just say for argument's sake that you are a bus driver. If I was to come on here giving out about bus drivers being ignorant drivers (not saying they are), would you sit back and say nothing? No, I doubt it.


Now lastly, this was the part that really got me p1ssed off, that all students are leeches by your logic. Yes, my parents paid my fees in college, and yes they did struggle at times to pay it. I did not go round "pissing away their weekly allowances down the pub instead of using it wisely". Yes I did go to the pub, I think that is also allowed. But I do not p1ss it away like sweet wrappers. I worked for my father all through school and college. I came back from college every day and went to work for a couple of hours, and if I didn't have class I would offer to work no problem.



So Wanderer, don't you DARE to try to tell me what I'm like or try to lecture me on my life. You do not know me, you do not know the first thing about me.

I wouldn't even think about saying some of the things you said to me, to someone else. I wouldn't bring myself down to that level.

hardybuck

I spent five years in University, and while there was certainly the odd party, I have never come across incidents like what seems to be now the norm in Waterford.

Is this behaviour linked to the calibre of students which WIT is currently able to attract - probably. There seem to be an awful lot of total mucksavages coming in from the likes of Wexford, Carlow, Kilkenny, and probably Waterford as well. You can even see they are nearly causing car crashes around town as a lot of them haven't driven on roundabouts before by the looks if ut.

What doesn't help in this debate is the blanket student bashing. Students make an important contribution to the economy both during and after their studies. They keep the rental market in Waterford afloat, keep the pubs going during the week, and obviously pour a fair bit of money into the local shops.

A recent OECD report shows that as a male graduate I am likely to repay the Government's investment in my education six times over as a result of my ability to earn more and pay more taxes. Labelling me or others like me as a leech because I went to college would be very wide of the mark.

Hard to know what the quickest solution here is for Waterford, but a higher take up of campus accommodation is probably the long term solution.

Ledger

hardybuck wrote: »

I spent five years in University, and while there was certainly the odd party, I have never come across incidents like what seems to be now the norm in Waterford.

Is this behaviour linked to the calibre of students which WIT is currently able to attract - probably. There seem to be an awful lot of total mucksavages coming in from the likes of Wexford, Carlow, Kilkenny, and probably Waterford as well. You can even see they are nearly causing car crashes around town as a lot of them haven't driven on roundabouts before by the looks if ut.

What doesn't help in this debate is the blanket student bashing. Students make an important contribution to the economy both during and after their studies. They keep the rental market in Waterford afloat, keep the pubs going during the week, and obviously pour a fair bit of money into the local shops.

A recent OECD report shows that as a male graduate I am likely to repay the Government's investment in my education six times over as a result of my ability to earn more and pay more taxes. Labelling me or others like me as a leech because I went to college would be very wide of the mark.

Hard to know what the quickest solution here is for Waterford, but a higher take up of campus accommodation is probably the long term solution.

I agree with your nearly all of your post completely.

Except for one part. Mucksavages? Come on like?

hardybuck

Ledger wrote: »

I agree with your nearly all of your post completely.

Except for one part. Mucksavages? Come on like?

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Maybe a bit harsh, but the cultural deficit in WIT seems to be fairly large from what I can tell.

Edit: Agreed my post is also offering generalisations. Slap on the wrisr for me.

Ledger

hardybuck wrote: »

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Maybe a bit harsh, but the cultural deficit in WIT seems to be fairly large from what I can tell.

Edit: Agreed my post is also offering generalisations. Slap on the wrisr for me.

Fair enough no problem. There is no more people from outside cities and towns in WIT than there are in any of the other IT's in my opinion.

nicolaed

Typical WIT faces



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MitchKoobski

As a former WIT student, I'll be requesting a picture of you nicolaed for comparison.

nicolaed

MitchKoobski wrote: »

As a former WIT student, I'll be requesting a picture of you nicolaed for comparison.

We have no your picture or you recognized yourself in this pictures gallery?:D
Maybe you are not a typical species.

comeraghs

A lot of the problem as far as I can see is anti-student bias from some "top of the town" locals who are anti-education as much as they are anti-Student.


Some students are gob****es, most 18-22 year olds are when they are in a big bunch & even more when drinking but certainly no more so than "locals" of the same age.

Potential-Monke

I've noticed a problem of the local scum going to the house parties causing all sorts of trouble. WIT should, imo, have gates put in at Templars Hall, no WIT or resident card, no entry. Yes, it's a small annoyance to those who actually own houses and live there, but it would be a small annoyance i would be willing to put up with to get a bit more peace.

It has been said before, but WIT need to get a bit more involved with the student accommodation. How they would and get passed the legalities surrounding it is anyones guess, but the students who cause the trouble should be held accountable for their actions.

I won't lie, when i was a student i may have been a bit loud myself, but i never caused damage, never felt the need to knock over a bin or knock on peoples doors, also never felt the need to rise to a fight. Hopefully, the new by-laws will be enforced and effective.

Media999

"We need to attract more money to Waterford" " Economy is ****e" Blaaa Blaa Blaa

"I hate anyone that comes to Waterford" "theyre all just mucksavages" "Anyone whos not from a town/City is somehow less of a human being"

Bull**** hypocrites the lot of you. Just cause youre not young anymore. Waterford is a depressed run down dump because of all of your attitudes.

CuriousG

comeraghs wrote: »

A lot of the problem as far as I can see is anti-student bias from some "top of the town" locals who are anti-education as much as they are anti-Student.


Some students are gob****es, most 18-22 year olds are when they are in a big bunch & even more when drinking but certainly no more so than "locals" of the same age.

Are you serious?
I am not in Templars Hall, but Bridge Street, and for the last three days I have had to listen to constant shouting, partying, breaking the place up, and stupid loud music.

I am 19, I go out regularly enough, I never find the need to be loud and obnoxious and ruin everyone elses night. Say what you will, but this is a known student trait. I don't give a damn if 'they aren't all the same', they should make active efforts to make the best of their education. They are lucky to be getting it.

These are new students that moved in not so long ago, and ever since, it has been F***ing HELL.

I am definitely not anti-education, I would LOVE the chance to be able to go to college, something that just isn't possible for me right now. It pisses me off to no end to see these students with a great chance and just throwing it away, partying every single night of the week. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I have no problem with people partying, what I do have a problem with is when they drag everyone else into it by disrupting their peace, absolutely DISGRACEFUL.


Edit: I used to think it was noisy down here because of a few stragglers walking home at night, but thanks to these new students, the past perpetrators look like mice compared to them!!!!!!!!!!!

CuriousG

Media999 wrote: »

Bull****.

Complete and utter.

If your kids came to you and asked you for a loan to educate themselves you would call them leechers and tell them to piss off would you?

If I knew they were going to be causing trouble and p***ing everyone else off, spending my money on drunk, I can honestly say, I would tell them where to go.

Media999

CuriousG wrote: »

It pisses me off to no end to see these students with a great chance and just throwing it away, partying every single night of the week. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Emm.. there actually enjoying themselves and getting an education while they are at it. How are they throwing there life away?

No offence but it sounds like your the unhappy one and dare i say it throwing your life away. Move across to Ferrybank if you want to avoid the noise id say. Not very far from where you are.

CuriousG

Media999 wrote: »

Emm.. there actually enjoying themselves and getting an education while they are at it. How are they throwing there life away?

No offence but it sounds like your the unhappy one and dare i say it throwing your life away. Move across to Ferrybank if you want to avoid the noise id say. Not very far from where you are.

There is such a thing as enjoying yourself without being an absolute bloody nuisance. I enjoy myself frequently, it never involves screaming, fighting and wrecking the place... Most normal people would agree with that.

Not everyone has the option to move, what a stupid thing to say. Your solution to students misbehaving is that everyone else should move?? Honestly??

I was very happy until this noise started and I am being kept up nightly thanks to imbeciles that aren't civilised enough to keep their fun indoors, or at least at a reasonable volume.

Thanks for the assumption that I'm throwing my life away, based on one post on boards.ie. That's appreciated, I'm glad you're familiar with me and my life now.

Edit: I said they were throwing a great chance away, not their lives. If you honestly think you can study full time, and party every night till 3am, and do the best you can, you're obviously delusional.

areyawell

Its only a small group doing this but its always in the same spots. Its the same in any college

Media999

CuriousG wrote: »

Edit: I said they were throwing a great chance away, not their lives. If you honestly think you can study full time, and party every night till 3am, and do the best you can, you're obviously delusional.

Are they actually the same people out every night though?

I can guarantee you right now its possible to party and get educated. If it wasnt WIT would have the highest drop out rate in the country. Your dealing with 18 year olds here. Remember being 18 when you could get up no problems after a night on the beer?

CuriousG

Media999 wrote: »

Are they actually the same people out every night though?

I can guarantee you right now its possible to party and get educated. If it wasnt WIT would have the highest drop out rate in the country. Your dealing with 18 year olds here. Remember being 18 when you could get up no problems after a night on the beer?

Yes. It is the same group of people. I can see them from our apartment, not one face different nightly.

Maybe it is, but that still doesn't make it ok for you to act like a nuisance to the rest of the world, does it?

I was only 18 last year, so I remember very well, and I can assure you, when I had to get up for work in the morning, I wouldn't be drinking the night before - regardless of if I could handle it or not. And the people that DID do that, paid the price in the end, because even if you CAN handle it, you are never going to absolutely 100% your best after drinking.

If I/my parents went to the effort of sending me to college, which is by no means affordable to most these days, I definitely would not spend every night partying.

The fact that people think college is one big party rather than somewhere to get an education and build their future is laughable.

What's more laughable is students defending that philosophy.

areyawell

CuriousG wrote: »

Yes. It is the same group of people. I can see them from our apartment, not one face different nightly.

Maybe it is, but that still doesn't make it ok for you to act like a nuisance to the rest of the world, does it?

I was only 18 last year, so I remember very well, and I can assure you, when I had to get up for work in the morning, I wouldn't be drinking the night before - regardless of if I could handle it or not. And the people that DID do that, paid the price in the end, because even if you CAN handle it, you are never going to absolutely 100% your best after drinking.

If I/my parents went to the effort of sending me to college, which is by no means affordable to most these days, I definitely would not spend every night partying.

The fact that people think college is one big party rather than somewhere to get an education and build their future is laughable.

What's more laughable is students defending that philosophy.

What dribble. You would sound like a laugh on the beer allright. College is the best years of your life and go out and have a laugh and have a good time. Your on your own from your parents for the first time and to think college is only for studying is dellusional. Yes college is for studying but also is for partying!

CuriousG

areyawell wrote: »

What dribble. You would sound like a laugh on the beer allright. College is the best years of your life and go out and have a laugh and have a good time. Your on your own from your parents for the first time and to think college is only for studying is dellusional. Yes college is for studying but also is for partying!

As I said....You can be a laugh without being a nuisance.

Maybe all college students are just that uninteresting that you have to be obnoxious and cause a ruckus just to have a good time? :rolleyes:

Everyone else in society can have a laugh and party without dragging everyone else into it. Imagine that.


Also, please excuse my delusional views that paying hundreds, even thousands on education is really just an excuse to act the maggot and get pissed every night of the week. My bad.

Media999

CuriousG wrote: »

The fact that people think college is one big party rather than somewhere to get an education and build their future is laughable.

What's more laughable is students defending that philosophy.

As ive said you can do both so 50% a big party really. Work hard, Play hard. A more popular philosophy than you think. Probably not just in Waterford where people apparently just work hard. Oh wait they dont. Full of dole heads.

Depressing unemployed crime ridden dump.

CuriousG

Media999 wrote: »

As ive said you can do both so 50% a big party really. Work hard, Play hard. A more popular philosophy than you think. Probably not just in Waterford where people apparently just work hard. Oh wait they dont. Full of dole heads.

Depressing unemployed crime ridden dump.

'Full of dole heads'

Inspiring, coming from someone that is against generalisation of students.

And no, a lot of people in Waterford either work hard, or want to. Regardless, we all just want to live in peace and get on with our lives like anyone would.

Show me somewhere in Ireland that isn't a 'depressing, unemployed crime ridden dump'?

You gave out to me for tarring students with the one brush, yet here we are......

Edit: I'm all for working hard, playing hard. The problem here is not partying, it's the lack of control students have other themselves to act civilised and still have fun. There is also the fact that, any of my friends or people I know that went to WIT were partying uncontrollably within the first week or so of moving up here, and college had not even started..... Doesn't really constitute working hard to me, and it also doesn't mean that 'being free from your parents' is a valid excuse. If you are mature enough to move out of home and be independent, you should be mature enough to know you can't just roam around doing what you want in the 'real world'. You have to take others into consideration, believe it or not.

Anyway, if Waterford is that depressing and full of 'dole heads', why not take your own advice, and get the hell out of here sure.

Media999

CuriousG wrote: »

I'm all for working hard, playing hard.

What?

Your 19 years old and complaining about the youth. Clearly you couldnt play any less hard.

Go out and enjoy yourself man. Christ.

Edit - Im off out now. Down to a party on Bridge Street

areyawell

CuriousG wrote: »

'Full of dole heads'

Inspiring, coming from someone that is against generalisation of students.

And no, a lot of people in Waterford either work hard, or want to. Regardless, we all just want to live in peace and get on with our lives like anyone would.

Show me somewhere in Ireland that isn't a 'depressing, unemployed crime ridden dump'?

You gave out to be for tarring students with the one brush, yet here we are......

Edit: I'm all for working hard, playing hard. The problem here is not partying, it's the lack of control students have other themselves to act civilised and still have fun. There is also the fact that, any of my friends or people I know that went to WIT were partying uncontrollably within the first week or so of moving up here, and college had not even started..... Doesn't really constitute working hard to me, and it also doesn't mean that 'being free from your parents' is a valid excuse. If you are mature enough to move out of home and be independent, you should be mature enough to know you can't just roam around doing what you want in the 'real world'. You have to take others into consideration, believe it or not.

Anyway, if Waterford is that depressing and full of 'dole heads', why not take your own advice, and get the hell out of here sure.

So a person should never party and have a good time unless they have worked hard? What are you talking about?

CuriousG

Media999 wrote: »

What?

Your 19 years old and complaining about the youth. Clearly you couldnt play any less hard.

Go out and enjoy yourself man. Christ.

No....I don't complain about 'the youth' I complain about a group of students making everyone else's life a misery.

You're clearly missing the point, so you're just resorting to trying to get a rise out of me by saying I don't have fun. Like I said, most normal people can have a lot of fun without showing off to the whole place. :rolleyes: