Is 250tf or 76.2m achievable from a 1 joule sniper rifle??

miske

Is 250tf or 76.2m achievable from a 1 joule sniper rifle?? Guy selling a M700 and claiming 250ft plus range. Can't see how this is possible. My new G&P moe is shooting 325fps constant, 320 with hop on. with a 6.03mm barrel and it just cannot get that range let alone be accurate enough to hit anything. Any rifles claiming that kind of range are pushing 500fps on line. Is it possible from a 0.8-0.9joule rifle to hit an 18inch square target at 76.2m + 8 or 9 times out of ten or is it BS?

thermo

its possible, with the right conditions, right combination of parts, lots of practice, right ammo.

Nuke1973

miske wrote: »

Is 250tf or 76.2m achievable from a 1 joule sniper rifle?? Guy selling a M700 and claiming 250ft plus range. Can't see how this is possible. My new G&P moe is shooting 325fps constant, 320 with hop on. with a 6.03mm barrel and it just cannot get that range let alone be accurate enough to hit anything. Any rifles claiming that kind of range are pushing 500fps on line. Is it possible from a 0.8-0.9joule rifle to hit an 18inch square target at 76.2m + 8 or 9 times out of ten or is it BS?

70 to 80 metres would be on the high side for rifles in Ireland, especially with a TBB as while these increase accuracy will reduce range.

It's definitely possible to get that range and hit a man sized target but to consistenly hit a small target might be pushing it. I'm not getting in to the FPS but without other elements being right it just eans the bb will hit the ground faster

miske

thermo wrote: »

its possible, with the right conditions, right combination of parts, lots of practice, right ammo.

Nuke1973 wrote: »

70 to 80 metres would be on the high side for rifles in Ireland, especially with a TBB as while these increase accuracy will reduce range.

It's definitely possible to get that range and hit a man sized target but to consistenly hit a small target might be pushing it. I'm not getting in to the FPS but without other elements being right it just eans the bb will hit the ground faster

Can't believe it!! either of you guys own such a rifle or actually seen one fired and hit consistantly at that range in Ireland? not just a friend of a friend thing or read off the internet. I actually steped it out today and couldn't believe it possible, got a laser range finder to confirm the range and guys I just cannot see how!! I'm sure you guys know what 76m is but tomorrow pick a starting point and take 76 good paces and turn around. thats 3/4 of a football field.

Nuke1973

I would get accuracy at 60m with my G&P Stoner. Might be able to arc bb's up to 75 metres but not too accurately.

A few polish lads I play with manage 70 - 80 metres with their guns but these guys are perfectionists and their guns are modded to the max.

No way would I expect to get that kind of accuracy without a lot of work and a lot of money

miske

Nuke1973 wrote: »

I would get accuracy at 60m with my G&P Stoner. Might be able to arc bb's up to 75 metres but not too accurately.

A few polish lads I play with manage 70 - 80 metres with their guns but these guys are perfectionists and their guns are modded to the max.

No way would I expect to get that kind of accuracy without a lot of work and a lot of money

where do you play nuke would love to see that. Need to see it to believe it.

thermo

miske wrote: »

Can't believe it!! either of you guys own such a rifle

yes, had a m4 i had spent some serious money and time on tuning and adjusting, trying shed loads of combinations of barrel and hop up rubbers, nubs ect.
with that m4 my longest 1 shot "kill" was 104 paces. at the time it was shooting at 323 fps with a .5fps variance and it was an arced shot on a still day. also at the time it was the only gun i had so i gamed it quite a bit.

miske

thermo wrote: »

yes, had a m4 i had spent some serious money and time on tuning and adjusting, trying shed loads of combinations of barrel and hop up rubbers, nubs ect.
with that m4 my longest 1 shot "kill" was 104 paces. at the time it was shooting at 323 fps with a .5fps variance and it was an arced shot on a still day. also at the time it was the only gun i had so i gamed it quite a bit.

Unbelieveable!! do you still have it? Where do you skirmish? I need to see this, I thought all these guys were talking crap.

thermo

nope sold it, i was made an offer i could not refuse.
i now play between redhills and tallaght cqb.

miske

thermo wrote: »

nope sold it, i was made an offer i could not refuse.
i now play between redhills and tallaght cqb.

Dude your killing me, how could you sell it, you got anything now that can get that range or close to it. I'm making it my mission to see these 70 - 80 m or 105 m shot Rifles or AEGs. Am in naas so redhills is on the cards seeing as vacant so closed for months now with no date for reopening.

thermo

miske wrote: »

Dude your killing me, how could you sell it, you got anything now that can get that range or close to it. I'm making it my mission to see these 70 - 80 m or 105 m shot Rifles or AEGs. Am in naas so redhills is on the cards seeing as vacant so closed for months now with no date for reopening.

money talks mate. everything has a price.
the 104 pace shot was done under ideal conditions ie. zero wind/breeze and lots of practice and loads of tweaking done beforehand.

thermo

watch the video here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77182196&postcount=16

StevieGriff

The lads are right in saying its possible, especially with the likes of a flat hop/G hop/R hop mod but that still doesn't mean the chap isn't telling porkys. Usually when people are bragging about the range of their airsoft guns you can deduct around 10-20 meters off their claim.

miske

thermo wrote: »

watch the video here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77182196&postcount=16

watched the video and it could be true or just as easyily be faked but I could make a video identical to that showing my cyma aep doing the same. Little bit of editing, pre marked targets, a different aeg being chrono'd etc etc. I need to see it with my own eyes. I'm not a believer yet!

miske

StevieGriff wrote: »

The lads are right in saying its possible, especially with the likes of a flat hop/G hop/R hop mod but that still doesn't mean the chap isn't telling porkys. Usually when people are bragging about the range of their airsoft guns you can deduct around 10-20 meters off their claim.

Hey stevie have you got a legal sub joule airsoft sniper rifle or aeg capable of hitting an 18inch square target at 76.2m + 8 or 9 times out of ten? Would you be willing to give me a demonstration?

T4RGET

I have a Madbull Python and a h-hop in my M4 and can reach 65 metres, but about 50 if even is accurate. but as most have said here, it is possible. I play with a polish group, soundest lads ever but one of their AEG's reaches 70-75 metres accurately. the M700 is a gas sniper rifle AFAIK so I'd say getting the right parts for it to do that distance would be pretty difficult, but not impossible.

Leftyflip

I had a rifle much like Thermo's one too. Any of the old HRTA lads remember the F2000 in its glory days? Now that was some piece of kit...

miske

T4RGET wrote: »

I have a Madbull Python and a h-hop in my M4 and can reach 65 metres, but about 50 if even is accurate. but as most have said here, it is possible. I play with a polish group, soundest lads ever but one of their AEG's reaches 70-75 metres accurately. the M700 is a gas sniper rifle AFAIK so I'd say getting the right parts for it to do that distance would be pretty difficult, but not impossible.

Yes my moe can reach 65 metres but what I'm talking about is hitting a 18inch square at 75m first time and then each shot after that with 1 or 2 flyers not a full auto burst and bbs arcking down like rain. and 1 or 2 hitting the target. Who are these polish guys where do they skirmish?. Would their aeg hit the 18inch target everytime at 75m? would they be up for a demo? Cheers

miske

Leftyflip wrote: »

I had a rifle much like Thermo's one too. Any of the old HRTA lads remember the F2000 in its glory days? Now that was some piece of kit...

Hi
Do you still have it? Where do you skirmish? Would you be up for a demo? To hit a 18inch target at 75m 8 or 9 times out of ten.. Cheers

Leftyflip

miske wrote: »

Hi
Do you still have it? Where do you skirmish? Would you be up for a demo? To hit a 18inch target at 75m 8 or 9 times out of ten.. Cheers

Post in the past tense, haven't been involved in airsoft for a while now, bar upgrades and repairs. Don't have time. I can still build 'em though

thermo

miske wrote: »

Hi
Do you still have it? Where do you skirmish? Would you be up for a demo? To hit a 18inch target at 75m 8 or 9 times out of ten.. Cheers

why dont you teach yourself how to do upgrades/work on guns and start experimenting with parts and build your own long range gun.

miske

thermo wrote: »

why dont you teach yourself how to do upgrades/work on guns and start experimenting with parts and build your own long range gun.

Cheers I'm happy with the range on my guns. haven't met anyone outranging me by 25m. Only saw that guy selling a 250ft plus sniper rifle and wondered if it was actually possible. Now everyone says its possible but noone can show me its possible. If anyone has a sub joule rifle or aeg capable of 75m would love to see it. Cheers for the all the posts guys.

thermo

what barrel and hop up unit are you running in your current aeg

jayod30

miske wrote: »

Now everyone says its possible but noone can show me its possible. If anyone has a sub joule rifle or aeg capable of 75m would love to see it.

I have a Masada that's had some really nice upgrades done to it and it gets some really nice range, but 75m I doubt. But as a serious airsofter I will say this, if I had an aeg that was hitting anything around the 75m mark I sure as hell wouldn't be selling it so dude, take what's here with a pinch of salt:rolleyes:

thermo

jayod30 wrote: »

But as a serious airsofter I will say this, if I had an aeg that was hitting anything around the 75m mark I sure as hell wouldn't be selling it

why not? if your into building and tuning airsoft guns and have the know-how another can be built....................

Leftyflip

jayod30 wrote: »

I have a Masada that's had some really nice upgrades done to it and it gets some really nice range, but 75m I doubt. But as a serious airsofter I will say this, if I had an aeg that was hitting anything around the 75m mark I sure as hell wouldn't be selling it so dude, take what's here with a pinch of salt:rolleyes:

If I can do it once, I can do it twice buddy!
In fact I've done it many times. It's not a fluke or luck it's skill and knowing how to upgrade something.

miske

thermo wrote: »

what barrel and hop up unit are you running in your current aeg

mad bull 3 in 1 hop up and a 6.03mm inner barrel don't know the make. Sleepershark done the work.

thermo

i have had good results with the mad bull hop up units, madbull ultimate tbb's and madbull blue hop up rubbers.

jayod30

thermo wrote: »

why not? if your into building and tuning airsoft guns and have the know-how another can be built....................

Leftyflip wrote: »

If I can do it once, I can do it twice buddy!
In fact I've done it many times. It's not a fluke or luck it's skill and knowing how to upgrade something.

So does anyone have one now that can reach that range in perfect conditions? If so, like miske says, I'd love to see it to believe it. I'm not claiming it can't be done, but I just don't see it! It's easy to say this and that but at the end of the day the proof is in the pudding. And, I'll continue to take salt with my pudding till proven otherwise!

dinnybyrne

jayod30 wrote: »

thermo wrote: »

why not? if your into building and tuning airsoft guns and have the know-how another can be built....................

Leftyflip wrote: »

If I can do it once, I can do it twice buddy!
In fact I've done it many times. It's not a fluke or luck it's skill and knowing how to upgrade something.

So does anyone have one now that can reach that range in perfect conditions? If so, like miske says, I'd love to see it to believe it. I'm not claiming it can't be done, but I just don't see it! It's easy to say this and that but at the end of the day the proof is in the pudding. And, I'll continue to take salt with my pudding till proven otherwise!

personally i dont think id even be able to SEE a bb at 75meters let alone shoot it!

T4RGET

dinnybyrne wrote: »

personally i dont think id even be able to SEE a bb at 75meters let alone shoot it!

.. a real gun can shoot 400-800 metres for an AR, people can't see that far either or am I missing something?

dinnybyrne

T4RGET wrote: »

dinnybyrne wrote: »

personally i dont think id even be able to SEE a bb at 75meters let alone shoot it!

.. a real gun can shoot 400-800 metres for an AR, people can't see that far either or am I missing something?

a real gun has an effect on the T4RGET.Where as with a bb your looking to see when the little 6mm bb drops

thermo

dinnybyrne wrote: »

personally i dont think id even be able to SEE a bb at 75meters let alone shoot it!

i dont shoot at bb's, i shoot at other players................. much easier to see

dinnybyrne wrote: »

a real gun has an effect on the T4RGET.Where as with a bb your looking to see when the little 6mm bb drops

if you are familiar with the aeg you will know how it performs, set your sights and use experience to make adjustments. not everybody has to walk their bb's in to a target.
i generally use black or dark green bb's anyway and they are extremely hard to see after 20m anyways.

dinnybyrne

thermo wrote: »

dinnybyrne wrote: »

personally i dont think id even be able to SEE a bb at 75meters let alone shoot it!

i dont shoot at bb's, i shoot at other players................. much easier to see

dinnybyrne wrote: »

a real gun has an effect on the T4RGET.Where as with a bb your looking to see when the little 6mm bb drops

if you are familiar with the aeg you will know how it performs, set your sights and use experience to make adjustments. not everybody has to walk their bb's in to a target.
i generally use black or dark green bb's anyway and they are extremely hard to see after 20m anyways.

thermo what hop up setup would you use/recommend to get 75 metres?

miske

I seems that the thread about the 75m plus M700 has been closed. Apparently the buyer was making unreasonable requests such as asking the seller to prove the stated 75m plus range!!! And guys please only post if you have a sub joule 75m rifle or aeg and are interested in demoing it. Don't want the thread to degrade into arguement. Cheers

thermo

dinnybyrne wrote: »

thermo what hop up setup would you use/recommend to get 75 metres?

for what gun? the thing with tuning is its trial and error and results that work with one aeg may not be optimum in another.
the above question is on par with asking "whats the best gun"? in order to get a better answer you need to supply more information.
feel free to me me.

LAPUA

I've my current AEG tuned for 130ft (Give or take 10ft due to weather conditions) after painstakingly playing with the hop settings while on holidays in the west of Ireland. I was accurately hitting a man sized target at that range. I was on the aeg, and one friend spotted via binoculars while another stood next to the target and marked off each hit. We tuned each airsoft device lying prone with a very light wind.

We also used a Tokyo Marui L96 with a twist barrel and could almost replicate the shots, although things were a little inconsistent at best and the AEG out performed it. We then set a G&G SCAR and a G&G GR16 Raider Long for the same 130ft range.

Anything further out than 130ft was chaos. The BBs were arcing and accuracy was becoming a huge problem. I could imagine with upgrades you could make 150/160ft accurately but I cannot fathom how anyone would hit 200 ft, let alone the 250ft claims from an AEG, GBB or Spring rifle within Ireland's 1J limit. The internet is a great place for these magical claims, and I still have my AEG(s) set for this 130ft, so I can show anyone if we meet on site. Until someone shows me, in person, a sub 1J AEG/GBB/Springer hitting a target accurately at 250ft I'm not believing it.

The biggest problem with hitting anything at extreme range using the 1J limit is it is very hard to actually notice the hit. We were shooting each other in the back (wearing a t-shirt, not even a tac vest) and you could barely notice the hit. Further back again and the BB would just fall off you.

CaptainPrice

LAPUA wrote: »

I've my current AEG tuned for 130ft (Give or take 10ft due to weather conditions) after painstakingly playing with the hop settings while on holidays in the west of Ireland. I was accurately hitting a man sized target at that range. I was on the aeg, and one friend spotted via binoculars while another stood next to the target and marked off each hit. We tuned each airsoft device lying prone with a very light wind.

We also used a Tokyo Marui L96 with a twist barrel and could almost replicate the shots, although things were a little inconsistent at best and the AEG out performed it. We then set a G&G SCAR and a G&G GR16 Raider Long for the same 130ft range.

Anything further out than 130ft was chaos. The BBs were arcing and accuracy was becoming a huge problem. I could imagine with upgrades you could make 150/160ft accurately but I cannot fathom how anyone would hit 200 ft, let alone the 250ft claims from an AEG, GBB or Spring rifle within Ireland's 1J limit. The internet is a great place for these magical claims, and I still have my AEG(s) set for this 130ft, so I can show anyone if we meet on site. Until someone shows me, in person, a sub 1J AEG/GBB/Springer hitting a target accurately at 250ft I'm not believing it.

The biggest problem with hitting anything at extreme range using the 1J limit is it is very hard to actually notice the hit. We were shooting each other in the back (wearing a t-shirt, not even a tac vest) and you could barely notice the hit. Further back again and the BB would just fall off you.

dinnybyrne

thermo wrote: »

dinnybyrne wrote: »

thermo what hop up setup would you use/recommend to get 75 metres?

for what gun? the thing with tuning is its trial and error and results that work with one aeg may not be optimum in another.
the above question is on par with asking "whats the best gun"? in order to get a better answer you need to supply more information.
feel free to me me.

cheers thermo

dinnybyrne

LAPUA wrote: »

I've my current AEG tuned for 130ft (Give or take 10ft due to weather conditions) after painstakingly playing with the hop settings while on holidays in the west of Ireland. I was accurately hitting a man sized target at that range. I was on the aeg, and one friend spotted via binoculars while another stood next to the target and marked off each hit. We tuned each airsoft device lying prone with a very light wind.

We also used a Tokyo Marui L96 with a twist barrel and could almost replicate the shots, although things were a little inconsistent at best and the AEG out performed it. We then set a G&G SCAR and a G&G GR16 Raider Long for the same 130ft range.

Anything further out than 130ft was chaos. The BBs were arcing and accuracy was becoming a huge problem. I could imagine with upgrades you could make 150/160ft accurately but I cannot fathom how anyone would hit 200 ft, let alone the 250ft claims from an AEG, GBB or Spring rifle within Ireland's 1J limit. The internet is a great place for these magical claims, and I still have my AEG(s) set for this 130ft, so I can show anyone if we meet on site. Until someone shows me, in person, a sub 1J AEG/GBB/Springer hitting a target accurately at 250ft I'm not believing it.

The biggest problem with hitting anything at extreme range using the 1J limit is it is very hard to actually notice the hit. We were shooting each other in the back (wearing a t-shirt, not even a tac vest) and you could barely notice the hit. Further back again and the BB would just fall off you.

what weight bbs did you use?

LAPUA

0.20g King Arms 6mm BBs bought from Hobby Airsofter in Rathcoole.

dinnybyrne

LAPUA wrote: »

0.20g King Arms 6mm BBs bought from Hobby Airsofter in Rathcoole.

cheers for the detailed description

CaptainPrice

dinnybyrne wrote: »

cheers for the detailed description

Not to be confused with those "Patriot Low Velocity Spherical Missile" (PLVSM) BBs that lock onto their targets up to and over 250 feet away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvQJh-nS9TI

jayod30

CaptainPrice wrote: »

Not to be confused with those "Patriot Low Velocity Spherical Missile" (PLVSM) BBs that lock onto their targets up to and over 250 feet away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvQJh-nS9TI

Now that's the best comment I've seen here so far lol:D

sliabh

LAPUA wrote: »

I've my current AEG tuned for 130ft (Give or take 10ft due to weather conditions) after painstakingly playing with the hop settings while on holidays in the west of Ireland. I was accurately hitting a man sized target at that range. I was on the aeg, and one friend spotted via binoculars while another stood next to the target and marked off each hit. We tuned each airsoft device lying prone with a very light wind.

Em, that isn't even 40m. I can hit a half man size target consistently with my stock JG G36K at that distance. I have wooden target silhouettes and can hear the bbs strike.

With just a red dot I could get first shot hits at 50m 3 out of 5 times with the same G36, and I could manage at least one hit from a short 5-8 BB burst at 60m.

I won't make any comment on the OPs 75m, but I would say that the flight time for such a shot is probably 2-3 seconds. Which means that even if your gun is tuned to manage that distance, and you can allow for wind, hitting anything other than a stationary target will be quite a feat of skill.

LAPUA

Firstly, It is 39.6m, which rounded up is 40m. Secondly, I'm sorry you have to use a G36c.

In regards to my 40m shooting, that was me hitting with every shot, not the 60% chance on hitting the target you displayed with your AEG at a 10m increase. When I shoot, I want to know I'm going to hit the target (assuming I'm aiming correctly) with the first BB, not have to hope that 60% swings in my favour. The only factor in hitting the target should be me, not the AEG hop combo, in my opinion.

I imagine I could have gone further, but accurately hitting my target was what mattered to me, and so far I've yet to really engage anyone at 40+m in anyway, so it seems to be an ideal spot for my AEG.

As for the BBs striking the wooden target, of course they'll make a sound buddy- It's plastic on wood/paper! The impact is not felt distinctly though- Especially if the user is wearing any form of heavy clothing which is often the case in the Sunday skirmish and winters gaming. Having been shot in the back at 40m, I can safely say it would be hit and miss whether you'd feel the hit in order to take it. Either that, or I'm just an absolute tank.

CaptainPrice

Don't get me wrong here, as a guy who likes airsoft sniping more than hipsters love cardigans, I would like nothing more than to have snipers actually be able to attain this range- whatever about who's AEGs range penis is longer (though, I'll throw in that my SCAR is an absolute stallion).
The longest shot I've made is probably in fingal airsoft up at the tree stump. I hit a kid down beside the far tower twice or three times over the attack on the base. Now, the fecker didnt take it making this fact moot and showing me yet again another deficiency in playing sniper. I mustn't have accounted for his Juggernaut perk or something. And I wasn't imagining it because a guy had a go of my rifle and got me down at roughly the same place. And I did know I was hit.
that was a TM L96 springer at one joule. And I should add that I was up a hill by quite a bit to help with distance of the shot.
I have had honest and stand up players say to me they will stay put for a few seconds and wait for a second to fly near/past or overhead again and then take it if they think they are shot. But what is the point if you can be up there with the rest of your team helping out, instead of depending on the enemy to be like the princess and the pea to facilitate you deciding on sniping and being less useful to objectives as a direct result of that decision?
What I'm trying to get at here is that there is no way a 1 Joule piece can hurl a bb with any controllable accuracy to 250 feet. And even if it could, there's no point. With power drop off, even those who bloody know they are hit can play the didn't feel it card. And those problems exist at all long ish ranges.

sliabh

LAPUA wrote: »

Firstly, It is 39.6m, which rounded up is 40m. Secondly, I'm sorry you have to use a G36c.

I do believe I said "not even 40m" and that it's a G36K. Not that I use it as my primary AEG, I have 2 VFCs instead.

But my point is that even with a stock mid/low-end gun you should be able to get first shot hits at 40m.

Leftyflip

Here comes the pettiness train!!

LAPUA

Leftyflip wrote: »

Here comes the pettiness train!!

miske

Mods close this please. Is 250ft accuracy achievable from a subjoule airsoft AEG or Rifle?? Of course it is!!! Can anyone show me in person such a airsoft device??? No!! This answers my question.