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bbsrs

corktina wrote: »

Sids Not wrote: »

..But only if it IS going to be used on the road...........

but what if it is brought into the counry for track use but later sold and the new owner wants to use it on-road? If it's capable of road use, the Law says VRT must be paid. (not me , you understand)

What law says that?
Lots of vehicles ,sold new in this country ,are capable of road use but aren't subject by law to vrt because they won't ever be used on road.

Sids Not

corktina wrote: »

but what if it is brought into the counry for track use but later sold and the new owner wants to use it on-road? If it's capable of road use, the Law says VRT must be paid. (not me , you understand)

In order to make it "Capable of road use" would mean it must have lights ,speedo, road tyres etc.....
I bought a race bike, but i had to make it road legal, inc. all the above plus pay vrt.....luckily the seller had the v5 document which made it possible....otherwise i'd have walked away...;)

mountai

As a member of the IKCC for some years, I have become disalusioned with the attitude of Officers of the club with the evolving growth of incorrectly registered kit cars on the road . Insurance is a big worry for me. I have had corrispondance with two of these people and am shocked at the attitude portrayed . For my troubles my posts in the Club Forum have been deleted by the Moderator as "slanderous". Here is an answer by one of the officers to my querie on the integrity of the club.


I never frequent Boards.ie, full of trolls these days.

I really don't think the integrity of the club is something to worry about. The club as you well know always promotes the building and using of kit cars in Ireland to the best of their ability. What route people decide to register their car in the end is no concern for the club. We have worked long and hard over the last 10yrs to keep kit cars on the road and will always fight to do so in these challenging and changing times. Our insurance club scheme is just one example of that. It took years to get to were we are now with the Insurance Policy. Any kit car using the Club Insurance Scheme is completely covered so long as they declare the correct Make/Model of the Kit and the exact Engine size when being vetted, no matter what reg. is on the car.

I wouldn't worry yourself. These kind of threads from people with little better to do pop up from time to time across all areas of motoring, whether it be Kit Cars, Classic Cars, Modified Cars, Racing Cars etc. etc.

Note what the answer says about reg.

corktina

of course I guess it suits them, but boy will they squeal should Kit Cars be banned as a result of someone bending, nay , totally smashing the Rules.

Elsewhere on the net n the past day or two I have read of proposals to ban all modified cars, Kit Cars certainly come under this heading!

corktina

Sids Not wrote: »

In order to make it "Capable of road use" would mean it must have lights ,speedo, road tyres etc.....
I...;)

many track day cars are simply standard cars used on the track...

bbsrs

corktina wrote: »

Sids Not wrote: »

In order to make it "Capable of road use" would mean it must have lights ,speedo, road tyres etc.....
I...;)

many track day cars are simply standard cars used on the track...

And many are not.

Sids Not

I could be wrong but if theres any grey area about a vehicles details disclosed to an insurance company then that vehicle wont be covered...i.e an insurance company will issue an insurance cert with the car details inc. the foreign plate reg. , but (afaik) the vehicle MUST be registered in YOUR name to be covered....
Am i wrong.....

mountai

My belief is that the vehicle must be LEGALLY registered to be covered. The question is ---- Is a Cloned Vehicle capable of being legally registered?? . I will clarify this tomorrow when I speak to the Insurance Co that underwrights th IKCC Kit Car Policy.

w124man

shagman wrote: »

The assumption being made is that these are all road going cars. Given that we are talking about Cobras quite a few may be track only cars and only ever see a public road from the back of a trailer. In this case vrt/reg/tax don't matter AFAIK.

The revenue are very very clear about this issue. It does not differentiate between 'track cars' and 'road cars' ..... it clearly says unregistered vehicles.
So if you own an unregistered vehicle in the state you are liable for VRT.

bbsrs

w124man wrote: »

shagman wrote: »

The assumption being made is that these are all road going cars. Given that we are talking about Cobras quite a few may be track only cars and only ever see a public road from the back of a trailer. In this case vrt/reg/tax don't matter AFAIK.

The revenue are very very clear about this issue. It does not differentiate between 'track cars' and 'road cars' ..... it clearly says unregistered vehicles.
So if you own an unregistered vehicle in the state you are liable for VRT.

I'll ask revenue to clarify.

Sids Not

w124man wrote: »

So if you own an unregistered vehicle in the state you are liable for VRT.

In theory if you you dont register it YOU dont own it though.........

mountai

The following is a direct answer from the Insurance Officer in the IKCC re an enquiry I made re the validity of the Club Insurance scheme. Note the referance to "Registration" .
The second paragraph relates to the recent Cobra Run. This "Event" is clearly listed in the Clubs Event section. The first post in the Forum (under Runs) inviting people to participate comes from the same Officer . Now he is denying that this Run was "Official" . Rats jumping the ship IMHO !!!


I believe my answer to your main question was answered clearly but let me reiterate, once a kit car owner, when applying for insurance through the Club scheme, states up front to the insurance company that the vehicle being insured is a kit car and supplies all of the relevant kit & Engine details on it then the insurance taken out for it is 100% legit, regardless of how it is registered


I would also like to point out that last Sundays Cobra run in the Phoenix park was not an IKCC organized event but put together by an individual and that a high percentage of the cars on display there were not official members of the club (only 7 of the 16 Cobras were) but individuals who were specifically contacted by Charlie to try and get as many Cobras together for the 50th anniversary event.

Regards

corktina

sounds like an Official Approval of dodgy registered cars to me!

Sids Not

Its just this country's officials half-arsed attitude to everything motor related....maybe its a good thing...;);)

w124man

Sids Not wrote: »

In theory if you you dont register it YOU dont own it though.........

Nope! Purchasing a vehicle and registering a vehicle are completely different. Registration of a vehicle is not proof of ownership, its simply a legal requirement

mountai

Well I"ve seen it all now!! . The photos on the recent Cobra Run that the IKCC organized were doctored on their site yesterday. All the DODGY NUMBER PLATES have been edited out of the images and several photos have been removed. Is it not a crime to cover up a crime --- or is it just a conspiracy ?. Stable Door Lads!!!!

Sids Not

w124man wrote: »

Registration of a vehicle is not proof of ownership, its simply a legal requirement

Its also a legal requirement to disclose the facts of a vehicle to an insurance company too...but....;)

carchaeologist

mountai wrote: »

Well I"ve seen it all now!! . The photos on the recent Cobra Run that the IKCC organized were doctored on their site yesterday. All the DODGY NUMBER PLATES have been edited out of the images and several photos have been removed. Is it not a crime to cover up a crime --- or is it just a conspiracy ?. Stable Door Lads!!!!

Well well....

bbsrs

mountai wrote: »

Well I"ve seen it all now!! . The photos on the recent Cobra Run that the IKCC organized were doctored on their site yesterday. All the DODGY NUMBER PLATES have been edited out of the images and several photos have been removed. Is it not a crime to cover up a crime --- or is it just a conspiracy ?. Stable Door Lads!!!!

I'm sure you'll be told it's a victimless crime , what's the problem, if the state reg and car tax system wasn't such robbery they wouldn't have to do it .

corktina

bbsrs wrote: »

I'm sure you'll be told it's a victimless crime , what's the problem, if the state reg and car tax system wasn't such robbery they wouldn't have to do it .

Im the victim and so is everyone who pays up the right amount at the right time.

bbsrs

corktina wrote: »

bbsrs wrote: »

I'm sure you'll be told it's a victimless crime , what's the problem, if the state reg and car tax system wasn't such robbery they wouldn't have to do it .

Im the victim and so is everyone who pays up the right amount at the right time.

Yes the victim of the robbery and the vrt evasion. I'm not saying I condone the practice just I can see the reasons people do it.

f4fay

I would firstly just like to say i have no connection with the Irish kit car club what so ever !!!!

But am opposed to these witch hunts on the internet. As i have said before on forums of the same nature as this one....This is drawing negative unnessary attention to the Classic car scene in this country.

Perhaps Mauntai might like to share his registration number with us ?

mountai

Why is a witch hunt to expose corruption?? I"m sure that the IKCC people are more than capable of defending themselves. Then its impossible to defend the indefensable. Why did they try to cover their tracks by editing the photos on their site, some of which have been on public display for months??

My Regs ZV 3288 MGA
ZV 91741 MGB


You a member of IKCC ?

corktina

f4fay wrote: »

....This is drawing negative unnessary attention to the Classic car scene in this country.

?

kit cars are not Classic cars...simples..

I'll go further...kit Cars are often bastardised Classic Cars

further still....they should not be in a position to obtain the benefits that genuine Classic Cars attract.They have no Historic merit

f4fay

mountai wrote: »

Why is a witch hunt to expose corruption?? I"m sure that the IKCC people are more than capable of defending themselves. Then its impossible to defend the indefensable. Why did they try to cover their tracks by editing the photos on their site, some of which have been on public display for months??

My Regs ZV 3288 MGA
ZV 91741 MGB


You a member of IKCC ?

Errrrrm you forgot to mention...:eek:

1979 JBA falcon ????........JBA Falcons Manufactured from 82 to present day...It just doesn't add up.

Cortina Doner ????

No I'm Not a Member of IKCC !!!

Very Simple Go back through your own treads !!!!

f4fay

corktina wrote: »

kit cars are not Classic cars...simples..

I'll go further...kit Cars are often bastardised Classic Cars

further still....they should not be in a position to obtain the benefits that genuine Classic Cars attract.They have no Historic merit

If it's that SIMPLES why are we talking about them on a classic car forum

ALLMGS

I was directed to the boards.ie site by a worried fellow classic car owner re the new European legistation on old car modifications, but found this thread more worrying.
As a member of a large vintage and classic club based in the South of Ireland with a broad base of vehicles (steam, farm, classic, etc). Lots of our owners have spent a lot of time and money keeping old cars etc on the road for their and the publics interest and pleasure. Some of these cars are of an age that would attract a annual road tax of €2000.00 and like many other clubs owners around the country cannot be afforded.
We all attend shows in as many parts of the country as possible ( the wife thinks it's good for my health to walk around lines of parked cars, who am I to argue!!) and see cars with mabye not so true regs.
Highlighting this issue too much as f4fay says will cause every club in the country hassle and reduce shows etc. Do we need it in the current climate when owning and showing a classic car is all many of us can aspire to.
Ps. I do agree that all vehicles should be insured fully before taking them on the road or on trailers to shows and if this is the case with grey area cars Eg. a 4 door mk2 escort in our own club (owners permission given to post this), old clare reg, with a replaced body from eastern europe. This car is fully insured with details given to insurer. This car would not be on the road if he did not do this and that would be a shame.
Now off to walk for 3 miles under instruction from headoffice or no dinner!!!

bbsrs

f4fay wrote: »

corktina wrote: »

kit cars are not Classic cars...simples..

I'll go further...kit Cars are often bastardised Classic Cars

further still....they should not be in a position to obtain the benefits that genuine Classic Cars attract.They have no Historic merit

If it's that SIMPLES why are we talking about them on a classic car forum

Not taking sides but we are talking about them on classic cars forum because the number plates that some of them wear are numbers from more than 30 years ago which is giving them access to €52 euro per year tax and people are worried this is drawing un-needed attention to classic car owners and abuse of the privileges with regard to tax may lead to a change of the regs by revenue.

f4fay

bbsrs wrote: »

Not taking sides but we are talking about them on classic cars forum because the number plates that some of them wear are numbers from more than 30 years ago which is giving them access to €52 euro per year tax and people are worried this is drawing un-needed attention to classic car owners and abuse of the privileges with regard to tax may lead to a change of the regs by revenue.

As i said before it's treads like this creating unwanted attention and from what i can make out from reading this.... the man who started this tread......Well Let's just say there is obviusly friction between him and a club he's involved with !!! and in my opinion from reading his previous treads he should never have started this one !!

bbsrs

f4fay wrote: »

As i said before it's treads like this creating unwanted attention and from what i can make out from reading this.... the man who started this tread......Well Let's just say there is obviusly friction between him and a club he's involved with !!! and in my opinion from reading his previous treads he should never have started this one !!

Agreed it is threads like this that bring the attention .