TUS Programme

TepinTheGreat

Article 4 2 of the Convention ... 2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.

If I do not volunteer, then it is forced or compulsory and is a contravention of the European Convention on Human Rights which Ireland is a signatory.
For the purposes of that Convention the term forced or compulsory labour means all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily . The Court has taken that definition as a starting point for its interpretation of Article 4 2 of the Convention (ibid.; Graziani-Weiss v. Austria; Stummer v. Austria [GC], 118).

crossmolinalad

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

Article 4 2 of the Convention ... 2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.

If I do not volunteer, then it is forced or compulsory and is a contravention of the European Convention on Human Rights which Ireland is a signatory.
For the purposes of that Convention the term forced or compulsory labour means all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily . The Court has taken that definition as a starting point for its interpretation of Article 4 2 of the Convention (ibid.; Graziani-Weiss v. Austria; Stummer v. Austria [GC], 118).

Don't think so you will get paid more than on the dole Myself I see it as a good paid job Got almost 15 Euros an hour Witch employer would pay you that No one i know

TepinTheGreat

crossmolinalad wrote: »

Don't think so you will get paid more than on the dole Myself I see it as a good paid job Got almost 15 Euros an hour Witch employer would pay you that No one i know

Just because you are happy and volunteered yourself, does not mean everyone else feels the same.
I will repeat myself. Let me know if you have any questions.

Article 4 2 of the Convention ... 2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.

If I do not volunteer, then it is forced or compulsory and is a contravention of the European Convention on Human Rights which Ireland is a signatory.
For the purposes of that Convention the term forced or compulsory labour means all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily . The Court has taken that definition as a starting point for its interpretation of Article 4 2 of the Convention (ibid.; Graziani-Weiss v. Austria; Stummer v. Austria [GC], 118).

TepinTheGreat

Ha, they want me to do an interview at a GAA ground. Let me guess, I will be a ground-sweeping specialist. LOL

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

Ha, they want me to do an interview at a GAA ground. Let me guess, I will be a ground-sweeping specialist. LOL

It's the nature of social media to hear the complaints Moreso than the successes. We all know that. You could approach it positively and give it a shot. Who knows, you might actually enjoy it. If not, you can always request That you be moved to another organisation.

But it sounds to me from your last few posts that your mind is made up. So be it.

dodzy

crossmolinalad wrote: »

watch out for this
Igot two letters too
One for a meeting for jobpath and a interview for TUS
meeting for jobpath was two months before TUS
On the meeting at ceetec the guy told us that when you on their scheme you don't have to react for interviews of Tus or CE schemes
That's a lie I almost lost my benefits thanks to them
DPS see`s a scheme as CE or Tus as a job and you have to take it
Those seetec guys loosing money when you leave them without having given you a job so they telling you this lie to get the money for their work with you
Another joke I ve heard from a friend was he got a Ce job from the DPS and was on ceetec at that moment
He said to them he was going on that scheme and was with them for the last day
Two weeks later he got a letter he had to fill in with the details of the job he was going to do
Don't sign it and don t sent it back they didn't help you to get the job you got it from DPS
If you sign the form they get money for something they never worked on

pretty much all of your post is nonsense.

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

It's the nature of social media to hear the complaints Moreso than the successes. We all know that. You could approach it positively and give it a shot. Who knows, you might actually enjoy it. If not, you can always request That you be moved to another organisation.

But it sounds to me from your last few posts that your mind is made up. So be it.

It sounds to me you from your post along with previous posts that you have a vested interest . I have read with interest the experiences of a lot of other posters and yes, I do have a feeling of discord. Your obvious involvement and vested interest is indication of my feeling of discord being well founded.

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

It sounds to me you from your post along with previous posts that you have a vested interest . I have read with interest the experiences of a lot of other posters and yes, I do have a feeling of discord. Your obvious involvement and vested interest is indication of my feeling of discord being well founded.

You're talking crap. The only vested interest I have is helping people. Simple as that. I have no other agenda whatsoever. Any many are grateful for it.

As I previously stated, your mind is made up; you're blinkered, but so be it.

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

You're talking crap. The only vested interest I have is helping people. Simple as that. I have no other agenda whatsoever. Any many are grateful for it.

As I previously stated, your mind is made up; you're blinkered, but so be it.

Do you or do you not work and get paid for this TUS program?

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

Do you or do you not work and get paid for this TUS program?

I am a Tus teamleader, working directly with the host organisations & the people we place.

If you look back over my posts here (which I'm sure you have) you will see that I've been as helpful as possible and answered many questions for other boardsies. Again, just trying to be of assistance to people with queries in relation to the programme itself, eligibility criteria, payment queries, etc. Don't try and twist this into something it is not.

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

I am a Tus teamleader, working directly with the host organisations & the people we place.

If you look back over my posts here (which I'm sure you have) you will see that I've been as helpful as possible and answered many questions for other boardsies. Again, just trying to be of assistance to people with queries in relation to the programme itself, eligibility criteria, payment queries, etc. Don't try and twist this into something it is not.

As I said. Vested interest in compulsory labour.

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

As I said. Vested interest in compulsory labour.

You believe whatever you choose. Fine with me.

Rubberchikken

i had a Tus placement that lasted a year. it was a great experience. i went into it glad to be off jsa and ended up with a great reference and great memories.
i got a ce placement the following spring and only got 1 year on that as that was the way it worked (i guess). again, went into it determined to do my best. great experience and a glowing reference.
this morning i was offered a full time job, based on those experiences and references.

i think you get out of tus or CE what you put in.

dodzy

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i had a Tus placement that lasted a year. it was a great experience. i went into it glad to be off jsa and ended up with a great reference and great memories.
i got a ce placement the following spring and only got 1 year on that as that was the way it worked (i guess). again, went into it determined to do my best. great experience and a glowing reference.
this morning i was offered a full time job, based on those experiences and references.

i think you get out of tus or CE what you put in.

Well done RC. You're story is commonplace IMO. Have seen plenty of people mimic what you have achieved. You should be proud. And the boldfaced section of your post sums it up perfectly.

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

You believe whatever you choose. Fine with me.

It is a fact. You have a vested interest in this programme so your opinion is invalid. The fact some posters post about positive experiences does not take away from the fact a hell of a lot more had very negative experiences.

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

It is a fact. You have a vested interest in this programme so your opinion is invalid. The fact some posters post about positive experiences does not take away from the fact a hell of a lot more had very negative experiences.

As I've said, I enjoy the work and believe in the programme. The money is not why I'm here. If I did not enjoy it, I would be working elsewhere. You pointed out earlier that you've 'read through the posts since the start of the thread....' and seen 'alot of negative comments.....'. You failed to point out that there have been many people posting positives.

Out of interest, how long have you been out of work?

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

As I've said, I enjoy the work and believe in the programme. The money is not why I'm here. If I did not enjoy it, I would be working elsewhere. You pointed out earlier that you've 'read through the posts since the start of the thread....' and seen 'alot of negative comments.....'. You failed to point out that there have been many people posting positives.

Out of interest, how long have you been out of work?

Not a choice TUS participants are given. This is compulsory labour and you are earning a living from it. I did not fail to point out there have been positive comments. Just nowhere near as many as negative. I have worked for over 20 years in various jobs and am out of work for two years now. No, TUS is not going to give me the boost I need to get the job I want. I won't be taking part willingly and that will be abundantly apparent to whatever organisation I end up in.

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

Not a choice TUS participants are given. This is compulsory labour and you are earning a living from it. I did not fail to point out there have been positive comments. Just nowhere near as many as negative. I have worked for over 20 years in various jobs and am out of work for two years now. No, TUS is not going to give me the boost I need to get the job I want. I won't be taking part willingly and that will be abundantly apparent to whatever organisation I end up in.

you won't be forced, don't worry. Once they see you are out of work a relatively short time (which compared to most you are) and they see you have a good 'pursuit of work' ethic, you'll not be coerced into a placement. As I said, it works wonders for some, particularly those with zero work experience or the other end of the spectrum, the LONG term unemployed. You are clearly neither. I honestly wish you well. You've obviously a vast amount of experience and it's only a matter of time until you are sitting facing an interviewer who realises this. Raw experience counts for a hell of a lot. Don't get disheartened, as flattering as that sounds. Things are improving; keep focused, tailor your cover letters, ensure your CV is as well presented as possible
and stay positive.

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

you won't be forced, don't worry. Once they see you are out of work a relatively short time (which compared to most you are) and they see you have a good 'pursuit of work' ethic, you'll not be coerced into a placement. As I said, it works wonders for some, particularly those with zero work experience or the other end of the spectrum, the LONG term unemployed. You are clearly neither. I honestly wish you well. You've obviously a vast amount of experience and it's only a matter of time until you are sitting facing an interviewer who realises this. Raw experience counts for a hell of a lot. Don't get disheartened, as flattering as that sounds. Things are improving; keep focused, tailor your cover letters, ensure your CV is as well presented as possible
and stay positive.

So it is about forcing long-term unemployed into compulsory labour. All said and done, I think long-term unemployed are most often not so by choice and I don't agree with tarring them with the same brush as the relatively few idlers.

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

So it is about forcing long-term unemployed into compulsory labour. All said and done, I think long-term unemployed are most often not so by choice and I don't agree with tarring them with the same brush as the relatively few idlers.

you're like a dog with a bone now. I'm done.

/unsub

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

you're like a dog with a bone now. I'm done.

/unsub

Not to worry, the conveyor belt of compulsory labour will keep your cushy number going for a long time yet. All good from your point of view. No wonder you have such positive glowing feelings towards it. The many negative posters, from experience, are all wrong and must not get in the way of your nice little number.

karen29070

Does your Team Leader do the interview & get feedback? Myself & the other participants just got a letter from our Team Leader. Couldn't get away quick enough.

dodzy wrote: »

There's a few bits of paperwork. We do an exit interview with each person and get their feedback along with feedback from the host organisation as well as our own feedback. We also supply all paperwork to each person along with a cessation letter. You will need to bring some forms of ID and a recent bank statement. We have an appointment set up for every finisher on the Monday immediately after their finish date. No queuing with general population in the local DSP office; in and out in 15 mins and back into payment from that week. It should be a very straight forward process.

laurenceltic

dodzy wrote: »

Your TL should be getting feedback. If he/she is doing their job, then they should know in advance of any issues resulting in your move/transfer as they sholud be periodically meeting with you both.

I hear you Karen29070, What if your TL isn't Dodzy? It seems a bit unfair that the participant can't leave any feedback on the scheme or there TL. It's a shame there's not more Team Leader's like you around. Honestly a few i've seen now or not bothered at all. I would have thought they could at least be helpful & pretend to be interested. Cushy job indeed.

TepinTheGreat

laurenceltic wrote: »

I hear you Karen29070, What if your TL isn't Dodzy? It seems a bit unfair that the participant can't leave any feedback on the scheme or there TL. It's a shame there's not more Team Leader's like you around. Honestly a few i've seen now or not bothered at all. I would have thought they could at least be helpful & pretend to be interested. Cushy job indeed.

The only thing concerning these TLs, including Dodzy, is protecting their cushy number. A steady stream of compulsory labour is a very cushy number. That is why this forum is getting positive comments on the program from a TL. Cannot have the masses talking negatively without being 'put right', now can we.

TepinTheGreat

A friend of mine knows someone who did this BS for a year. Working at a GAA ground. Hauled in kegs of beer for the Christmas too, even though it wasn't in the job description. Then come Christmas time, they didn't even get so much as a pint as a thank you. Totally abused scheme just like job bridge was.

dodzy

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

The only thing concerning these TLs, including Dodzy, is protecting their cushy number. A steady stream of compulsory labour is a very cushy number. That is why this forum is getting positive comments on the program from a TL. Cannot have the masses talking negatively without being 'put right', now can we.

TepinTheGreat wrote: »

A friend of mine knows someone who did this BS for a year. Working at a GAA ground. Hauled in kegs of beer for the Christmas too, even though it wasn't in the job description. Then come Christmas time, they didn't even get so much as a pint as a thank you. Totally abused scheme just like job bridge was.

If you'd put half the time into actual job-searching for yourself as you do into slating this programme, you'd most likely be working at this stage.

TepinTheGreat

dodzy wrote: »

If you'd put half the time into actual job-searching for yourself as you do into slating this programme, you'd most likely be working at this stage.

So it is all about forcing work then. And I put in a lot of effort in finding gainful employment. This TUS crap is not gainful employment and is nothing but a gravy train for some people, just as Job Bridge was until it was terminated.

VirgoGirl

Hi, I've been called to attend an information meeting on TUS. I have arthritis in my shoulder so I can't lift much and it gives me a lot of pain. Will I mention this when I attend?

blowin3

The information meeting is just that a presentation. They will give a date for a one to one with a case officer and than you can tell him or her your problem they are very helpful and understanding.

VirgoGirl

blowin3 wrote: »

The information meeting is just that a presentation. They will give a date for a one to one with a case officer and than you can tell him or her your problem they are very helpful and understanding.

Appreciate that info blowin3, thank you