Fluoride endgame approaches....

Jimoslimos

zef wrote: »

Even the Government and the Gardai dont drink the water.
EW Technologies (http://www.ewtechnologies.ie/our-water-filter-range.php) count among their many satisfied customers the HSE , Gardai Siochana , DCU , the National Museum of Ireland and many more.
They do reverse osmosis, which does remove fluoride from the water.

Might want to change that to only count because I don't see any other companies listed, especially not from Kent where they seem to be based (or Lithuania). Something doesn't smell right, and it's not the water.

Not to mention the bullshít being spouted on the website

Greatly reduces the risk of cancers
Our water filters greatly reduces the risk of rectal cancer, colon cancer, and bladder cancer by removing chlorine by products from drinking water.

:rolleyes: Indeed, I'm sure they have the evidence to back this up

Removes dangerous contaminants
Our water filter can selectivively remove dangerous contaminants from drinking water while retaining healthy mineral depsoits that balance the pH of drinking watre

Would love to see how they explain a RO system being able to do that

Jimoslimos

JCabot wrote: »

And how can a foreign country which does not allow this pratice and classes this as a biotoxin justify allowing it citizens to consume food produced in a country which uses it.

Are you just throwing in words that sound scary? If not please explain what a "biotoxin" is to the less educated including myself.

fasttalkerchat

I always drink tap water... even if you use bottled water, you're still going to get tap water in your food and tea anyway. I like the taste, only stopped drinking it when I lived in Dublin... its tasted funny.

fasttalkerchat

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Are you just throwing in words that sound scary? If not please explain what a "biotoxin" is to the less educated including myself.

Biotoxin is a toxic substance coming from a living thing.
Potentially toxic would be more accurate.

Don't Chute!

Christ Almighty! If Jim Corr believes it, it must be true!! http://www.jimcorr.com/

JCabot

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Are you just throwing in words that sound scary? If not please explain what a "biotoxin" is to the less educated including myself.

Your just picking at words and there meanings to take away from the real issue which is the fluoride. The word I meant to use is Biocide

A Biocides is a preparation containing one or more active substances that are intended to control harmful organisms by either chemical or biological, but not physical means.

Hexafluoorosilicic acid EC number: 241-034-8: CAS number16961-83-4 is a biocide. NAS and SCHER found that the toxicological profile of Hexafluorisilicic Acid used for water fluoridation was incomplete.In the absence of any toxicological or health risk data the Health Authorities in Ireland continue to advise that the chemical is safe for consumers and the environment.

This product is a posion to living organisms and I dont want to consume it or have my children drinking it.

Sarky

Better cut out oxygen while you're at it. That sh*t is seriously toxic if you inhale enough of it.

Jimoslimos

JCabot wrote: »

A Biocides is a preparation containing one or more active substances that are intended to control harmful organisms by either chemical or biological, but not physical means.

I'm guessing you had no problem knocking back copious volumes of another "biocide" at the weekend. I'm also presuming you'll be petitioning the government to stop disinfecting your water.

JCabot wrote: »

Your just picking at words and there meanings to take away from the real issue which is the fluoride. The word I meant to use is Biocide

Yeah man, words, they don't really mean anything important like...

...except when I want them to and can use them to further an agenda.

Robbo

JCabot wrote: »

Why bother quoting some case and a play with words , wheather it is found unconstitional or not doesn't matter, what fluoride is is mass medication and that is removing my free choice to consume it. That is against fundamental principles or established precedents according to the Irish state.

Whether it is found unconstitutional or not is relevant when in the interests of muddying the waters, you've falsely declared it constitutional. There is no splitting of hairs here, you're spouting effluent to further your agenda.

Full judgment here (but that's what they want you to read).

Ando's Saggy Bottom

Everytime a thread like this comes up it never fails to amuse me that people can't grasp that toxicity is dose dependent and that every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities.

Robbo

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Everytime a thread like this comes up it never fails to amuse me that people can't grasp that toxicity is dose dependent and that every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities.

You'll often find the same people have no difficulty with homeopathy though.

opinion guy

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Everytime a thread like this comes up it never fails to amuse me that people can't grasp that toxicity is dose dependent and that every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities.

You're smugness is based on a 500 year old viewpoint of toxicology you realise ?

Ando's Saggy Bottom

opinion guy wrote: »

You're smugness is based on a 500 year old viewpoint of toxicology you realise ?

This After Hours. Smug generalisations are where its at, yo.

JCabot

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Everytime a thread like this comes up it never fails to amuse me that people can't grasp that toxicity is dose dependent and that every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities.

Why on earth would you consume something that is toxic and then continue to consume it and defend the pratice of being forced to consume it.

Why don't you read the proven facts on fluoride and what exactly is being put into our mains water and our food stuff. Start with this recent report http://www.enviro.ie/Human%20Toxicity,%20Environmental%20Impact%20and%20Legal%20Implications%20of%20Water%20Fluoridation_February%202012_EnviroManagement%20Services.pdf

Harvard University has just published a study in a peer-reviewed journal by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences demonstrating how fluoride in water can cause permanent neurological damage to children.

There is no defence is mass medication of us with this chemical.

opinion guy

Pete Campbell wrote: »

This After Hours. Smug generalisations are where its at, yo.

Fair point

Pete Campbell

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Everytime a thread like this comes up it never fails to amuse me that people can't grasp that toxicity is dose dependent and that every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities.

For the same reason that certain people insist that "organic" veg is better for you..it is a trendy cause that suits a certain image so logic and facts don't matter

Capt'n Midnight

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Everytime a thread like this comes up it never fails to amuse me that people can't grasp that toxicity is dose dependent and that every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities.

Deuterium Oxide is toxic. Deuterium Hydroxide is nearly as bad, the only difference is that it takes longer to accumulate in the body.

Nothing is being done to remove these substances from tap water.

Capt'n Midnight

JCabot wrote: »

Harvard University has just published a study in a peer-reviewed journal by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences demonstrating how fluoride in water can cause permanent neurological damage to children.

No they did not.

Since you didn't link to it I have to assume you are just parroting.

They list 27 surveys comparing High Fluoride areas with Low Fluoride areas. In only 8 of these do they list a "Low" fluoride level that is below our maximum legal limit, not the level we use, but the maximum permissible amount. So it's crazy levels of Fluoride they are talking about. In a some of the "High Fluoride" areas there were visible signs of Fluoridosis on teeth. In three of the areas the fluoride came from burning coal ( did they rule out the other negative effects of air pollution ?? )

You'd also have to rule out poverty too and other factors more applicable to rural China than urban Ireland.

And all that's if you take all the individual references at face value.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

The exposed
groups had access to drinking water with fluo-ride concentrations up to 11.5 mg/L (Wang
SX et al. 2007); thus, in many cases concen-trations were above the levels recommended
(0.7–1.2 mg/L; DHHS) or allowed in pub-lic drinking water (4.0 mg/L; U.S. EPA) in
the United States (U.S. EPA 2011).

JCabot

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

No they did not.

Since you didn't link to it I have to assume you are just parroting.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/ There read it, long john

I did not question what it does or does not do to teeth even if this opinion that it is healthy for teeth not based on any scientific facts. Unless you can dig up some obscure report from the 50s.

The WHO recommend to determine when it is appropriate to fluoridate is a matter that requires the prior determination of prevailing fluoride intake from all sources . No such study was ever undertaken by the Irish Authorities. And a percentage of this population is intolerant to fluoride in drinking water.

I can not understand how any sane person can justify the continuation of this dangerous pratice unless they have alternative interest.

http://fluoridedangers.blogspot.ie/2008/07/dentists-admit-fluoride-risk-to-kidney.html

Jimoslimos

JCabot wrote: »

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/ There read it, long john

Eh? That was the report Capt'n was referring to. Did you even read the paper (and understand it - be honest now) other than seeing the words "fluoride" and "neurotoxicity" in the title?

Zer0

It's all a plan made by the nwo I tells ya! They're trying to make us stupid what with their fluoride water and flu vaccines, so they can control us.... run to the hills.. ahhh... 1984 is coming to life!

JCabot

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Eh? That was the report Capt'n was referring to. Did you even read the paper (and understand it - be honest now) other than seeing the words "fluoride" and "neurotoxicity" in the title?

You really don't understand or even want to understand that we are being poisoned do you, its pointless discussing this with a faceless entity who supports this regime.

From the report

"The results support the possibility of an adverse effect of high fluoride exposure on children’s neurodevelopment. Future research should include detailed individual-level information on prenatal exposure, neurobehavioral performance, and covariates for adjustment."

The Irish goverment never undertook research to establish fluoride intake from all sources so maximum permissible amount obviously can be exceeded.

Do some research into what you are defending instead of just being argumentative for the sake of it.

JCabot

Zer0 wrote: »

It's all a plan made by the nwo I tells ya! They're trying to make us stupid what with their fluoride water and flu vaccines, so they can control us.... run to the hills.. ahhh... 1984 is coming to life!

I think its working, look out for the gullible ones with great big teeth and rotting brains....

Aquarius34

People defending flouride, comical and yet barbaric and horrific.

Flouride makes people docile, brain damaged and stupid, and the only way to realise this is to stop putting it into your own body so you can not only just see it on yourself but on everyone around you. It calcifies the pineal gland in the brain, it causes so many forms of cancers, it actually damages teeth and bones once ingested into the body and it causes so many more types of illnesses.

It is added to ciggerette's, alcohol, (occurs naturally in tea which is not as harmful as the chemically added flouride), cereals, canned/processed food etc. Just think about how much flouride that goes into the body just as you start your actual day besides brushing your own teeth.

Their is a reason why it says on a packet of toothpaste, "don't swallow it"

People who are defending flouride, should seriously quit playing this stupid game.

Aquarius34

Aquarius34 wrote: »

It is added to ciggerette's, alcohol, (occurs naturally in tea which is not as harmful as the chemically added flouride), cereals, canned/processed food etc. Just think about how much flouride that goes into the body just as you start your actual day besides brushing your own teeth.

Their is a reason why it says on a packet of toothpaste, "don't swallow it"

People who are defending flouride, should seriously quit playing this stupid game.

What's the difference seeing as it is an element!

Aquarius34

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

No they did not.

Since you didn't link to it I have to assume you are just parroting.

They list 27 surveys comparing High Fluoride areas with Low Fluoride areas. In only 8 of these do they list a "Low" fluoride level that is below our maximum legal limit, not the level we use, but the maximum permissible amount. So it's crazy levels of Fluoride they are talking about. In a some of the "High Fluoride" areas there were visible signs of Fluoridosis on teeth. In three of the areas the fluoride came from burning coal ( did they rule out the other negative effects of air pollution ?? )

You'd also have to rule out poverty too and other factors more applicable to rural China than urban Ireland.

And all that's if you take all the individual references at face value.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

It's more apparent that you are parroting.

We don't need flouride at all in our bodies. That's the point most want to seem to ignore. So one would have to ask why such a need to defend even the thought of putting it into our water supply? Ulterior motive, hmm.?

If you say we do need "flouridation", then you could say we should drink poison too, because that's exactly what you're trying to say above. People are not falling for these stupid argument's anymore. There is just simply no beneficial reason for fluoridation whatsoever. In fact many dentists are now campaigning against fluoridation. So that should really turn this thread around on what is really going on.

It should seriously alarm anyone to see and witness anyone defending flouride.

Aquarius34

jh79 wrote: »

What's the difference seeing as it is an element!

Natural flouride vs added sodium flouride by chemical means. Flouride is harmful, and adding more would suggest what? Tea has naturally occurring calcium flouride, and the flouride added to our water supply is sodium flouride.

Ireland is one of the most flouridated counties in the world that drink the most tea and alcohol per capita. That should tell us something about the state of the nation.

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RossFixxxed

I heard the illuminati in association with reverse vampires started the whole thing! (Scientific fact and common sense)

And there's mercury in fillings. (It's mercury amalgam, but caused quite the hysteria)

And spider ghosts in crisps. (This one is a joke)

And if you open the bottom of a packet of popcorn you will die six days later. (Undeniable fact of life, don't mess with popcorn).


I'm envious of anyone who has such a good life they actively need to go out and find demons to bother them.

Aquarius34

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Natural flouride vs added sodium flouride by chemical means. Flouride is harmful, and adding more would suggest what? Tea has naturally occurring calcium flouride, and the flouride added to our water supply is sodium flouride.

Ireland is one of the most flouridated counties in the world that drink the most tea and alcohol per capita. That should tell us something about the state of the nation.

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So why dodn't we add flourine to our water supply using calcium flouride and both sides could be happy?

RossFixxxed

jh79 wrote: »

So why dodn't we add flourine to our water supply using calcium flouride and both sides could be happy?

Because our Lizard Overlords will not allow it. Didn't you get the memo?