Fluoride endgame approaches....

poeticseraphim · 06-11-2012 08:24PM

If you think fluoride is bad you don't want to hear what you encounter in your daily life.

I want fluoridated water.....if it was bottled i would buy it rather than volvic.

Conspiracy theorists are really starting to annoy me.

If a campaign starts to take it out of my water I am NOT going to be happy.

GO AWAY.

Women bleach their hair... inject botox into their faces..people eat junk food with more chemicals than their water ..do you really think people would care?

I believe fluoride is safe.

And no one would care anyway.......women are starting to put acid on the faces at night to burn off a top layer of skin....my friend does it.....sleeps with it on all night breathing it in. She KNOWS it is not great for her ...she does not care.

Fluoride is good for your teeth....it makes them pretty.....thats all that counts.....

My name is URL · 06-11-2012 09:20PM

poeticseraphim wrote: »

If you think fluoride is bad you don't want to hear what you encounter in your daily life.

What are you on about?

I want fluoridated water.....if it was bottled i would buy it rather than volvic.

Many don't want it added to their water. And all bottled water contains natural levels of fluoride, so knock yourself out. You can also buy tablets that you can add to the water yourself in case you want more.

If a campaign starts to take it out of my water I am NOT going to be happy.

GO AWAY.

Nah

Women bleach their hair... inject botox into their faces..people eat junk food with more chemicals than their water ..do you really think people would care?

What are you on about?

And no one would care anyway.......women are starting to put acid on the faces at night to burn off a top layer of skin....my friend does it.....sleeps with it on all night breathing it in. She KNOWS it is not great for her ...she does not care.

At least she has a choice on the matter. It's not as if a man comes round every night to scrub her face with acid for the good of everyone else.

poeticseraphim wrote: »

Fluoride is good for your teeth....it makes them pretty.....thats all that counts.....

lol.. No it doesn't. Proper dental care and regular visits to the dentist keep your teeth looking pretty. All fluoride does is very slightly remineralise softened enamel.

And besides it's in pretty much everything you eat and drink already. So with that in mind.. give at least one reason why it needs to be added to the entire public water supply.

ballsymchugh · 06-11-2012 09:25PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That has always been my only argument against fluoridation. There was a time when I'm sure it was necessary to add it wholesale to water supplies, but with the modern availability of fluoridated toothpastes, access to dentistry and a more educated population etc, imo; the number of people it benefits has dropped significantly. It's been almost half a century since a proper study has been conducted in Ireland.. which in itself is bloody worrying really.

you'd be very, very surprised on that bit.

Capt'n Midnight · 07-11-2012 02:12AM

My name is URL wrote: »

All fluoride does is very slightly remineralise softened enamel.

qft

caste_in_exile · 07-11-2012 02:16AM

I don't give a toss for my marbles long as my teeth are together.. after all, behind the flawless smile what girl sees your scattered brain.

craggles · 07-11-2012 02:19AM

My name is URL wrote: »

What are you on about?

One day of exposure to car exhaust fumes in a busy city is worse for you than a year of drinking fluorinated water.

joseph brand · 07-11-2012 02:26AM

The tap water in Tallaght is delicious, as water goes. But that was then.

Now I live in Navan, our water isn't great for makin tae, and out of a glass, it's pretty sh*t! It's hard water, which means it also dries my hands in cold weather, resulting in small cracks and blood.

That's enough of my whinging for now. /puts kettle on

joseph brand · 07-11-2012 02:37AM

craggles wrote: »

One day of exposure to car exhaust fumes in a busy city is worse for you than a year of drinking fluorinated water.

Let's not forget the hazards poised by the carcinogenic BBQ.

Barbecue grills can be problematic for two reasons. First, both charcoal and wood burn “dirty,” producing not only hydrocarbons but also tiny soot particles that pollute the air and can aggravate heart and lung problems. Secondly, the grilling of meat can form two kinds of potentially carcinogenic compounds: polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and heterocyclic amines (HCAs).

Charcoal Grilling May Pose Cancer Risks
According to the American Cancer Society, PAHs form when fat from meat drips onto the charcoal. They then rise with the smoke and can get deposited on the food. They can also form directly on the food as it is charred. The hotter the temperature and the longer the meat cooks, the more HCAs are formed.

HCAs can also form on broiled and pan-fried beef, pork, foul and fish, not just on grilled meats. In fact, National Cancer Institute researchers have identified 17 different HCAs that result from cooking “muscle meats” and that may pose human cancer risks. Studies have also shown increased risk of colorectal, pancreatic and breast cancers associated with high intakes of well done, fried or barbequed meats.

So, if you're selling the Herald in traffic, don't smoke, and certainly don't BBQ you're dinner. You're just asking for it!

Run_to_da_hills · 07-11-2012 06:37AM

poeticseraphim wrote: »

I
I believe fluoride is safe.

You watch too much television.

Radiation is also nutritious.

ballsymchugh · 07-11-2012 01:50PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You watch too much television.

Radiation is also nutritious.

oh FFS

i take it you never leave the house in case the sun is shining, what with all those carcinogenic rays shining on your pasty face?

JCabot · 10-11-2012 11:30PM

This action of adding fluoride to our drinking water which is compulsory medication by a substance regarded within europe and many other parts of the world as a biocide and a posion is unconstutional. But it also has the potential of destroying our food export industry.

If it becomes common knowledge within many counteries where fluoride is rightly regarded as a toxin and is banned that our food products are manufacture with water containing fluoride they may also be banned.

I asked Diaego recently if beer brewed in St. James gate was done so using water which was medically treated with fluoride. As most of this product is exported to counteries which ban fluoride, I am still waiting for an answer.

Rynox45 · 10-11-2012 11:35PM

Install a morality core in every water pumping station to prevent it filling the water supply with deadly neurotoxin

Solair · 11-11-2012 05:10PM

joseph brand wrote: »

The tap water in Tallaght is delicious, as water goes. But that was then.

Now I live in Navan, our water isn't great for makin tae, and out of a glass, it's pretty sh*t! It's hard water, which means it also dries my hands in cold weather, resulting in small cracks and blood.

That's enough of my whinging for now. /puts kettle on

Hardwater is mostly just dissolved limestone from the rocks in your area. Calcium Carbonate. It's good for your bones, but bad for your hot-water heating appliances and can be a bit drying on your skin, especially if you're using exessive amounts of soap.

Get yourself a better shower gel and a water filter.

OurLadyofKnock · 11-11-2012 08:27PM

Even if flouride worked, then it should be topical only. Toothpaste. Problem solved.

The ingestion part makes no sense and potentially dangerous. Should we put Oil of Olay in the drinking water so we have nice skin?

It's banned in many countries for a reason. Get it out.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-11-2012 08:54PM

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

It's banned in many countries for a reason. Get it out.

Freedom of speech is banned in many countries, alcohol too.

hatrickpatrick · 11-11-2012 09:16PM

poeticseraphim wrote: »

Women bleach their hair... inject botox into their faces..people eat junk food with more chemicals than their water ..do you really think people would care?

And no one would care anyway.......women are starting to put acid on the faces at night to burn off a top layer of skin....my friend does it.....sleeps with it on all night breathing it in. She KNOWS it is not great for her ...she does not care.

All of the above are entirely optional choices. Drinking water is not a choice. To compare the two is ridiculous.

Shryke · 11-11-2012 09:18PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Freedom of speech is banned in many countries, alcohol too.

For religious reasons, not based on the weighing of scientific evidence or any logical reasoning. Don't run away with yourself.

OurLadyofKnock · 11-11-2012 09:44PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Freedom of speech is banned in many countries, alcohol too.

That's a frankly absurd comparision to be fair.

dttq · 11-11-2012 10:19PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2012/0731/1224321156328.html

'Sir, – The problem with fluoride just got a whole lot bigger now that Harvard University has published a study in a peer-reviewed journal by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences demonstrating how fluoride in water can cause permanent neurological damage to children. The Harvard study joins 26 other scientific studies in finding that fluoride is a dangerous neurotoxin.

This supports the findings noted in the esteemed Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons in its review of water fluoridation by Prof Joel M Kauffman, PhD, which concluded: “There is evidence that fluoridation increases the incidence of cancer, hip fractures, joint problems, and that by causing fluorosis it damages both teeth and bones. Other medical problems may also occur, including neurological damage. Fluoridation of municipal water should cease. Individuals should remove fluoride from their tap water if fluoridation cannot be stopped.”

It also supports the observations in the recent Irish risk assessment of water fluoridation titled Human Toxicity, Environmental Impact and Legal Implications of Water fluoridation which was submitted to the Government in March 2012. – Yours, etc,

DECLAN WAUGH,
Doherty’s Road,
Bandon,
Co Cork.'

Looks as tho the fact that fluoride is a serious health hazard is finally beginning to seep out into the mainstream.

The real question is; will the Irish government act hastily to rid this chemical from our water system; or will they just keep pretending they knew none the wiser and thus avoid scandal.

Ill bet they will keep it going as long as possible. At least until they are out of office, so someone else can deal with the political repercussions.

Do you think any of the cabinet drink water from their taps?

Do you drink water from the tap.........?

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dttq · 11-11-2012 10:26PM

grenache wrote: »

I grew up in the countryside. We've always had our own well, none of that nasty fluoride in our supply. Just pure natural spring water. My cousins from the city always remarked how much better it tasted than what they were used to.

Now that I live in a city I do miss it.

Natural Spring water? With the amount of chemicals, pesticides and slurry used in modern agriculture, a lot of which passes down through the soil and into aquifers - I doubt most of the water out there now qualifies as "spring water". Think I'll take my chances with a regulated, thoroughly checked and treated water supply over risking drinking untreated water out of a potentially polluted aquifer rife with chemicals and bacteria.

JCabot · 12-11-2012 08:43AM

The medication of our water supply should be an individual choice not something that is done to everyone. This is banned in most counteries and our export foods contain it so thats a potential time bomb on its own. But also in this time of penny pinching why are we spending millions on this pratice buying the toxin in and adminestering it to everyone. Let alone this so called expert group who are supposed to meet voluntary yet never publish anything from there meeting and cost a fortune in secretarial services and I believe contain commercial interest including undertakers.

The newspapers and expert group keep refering to studies but never produce.

LivelineDipso · 12-11-2012 03:55PM

In Holland it is banned in law. There was a TV documentary shown on Dutch TV on the pros and cons and people literally marched on the government and told them not to dare even think of putting it in their water.

The best way to deal with this issue is to encourage foreigners not to purchase Irish food and drink made with our water. I have hundreds of people in Europe I know no longer drinking Guinness, Bailieys or eating Irish foods because of the industrial waste put into our water supply.

Eventually the food and drink producers will tell the government to get it out, and it'll be quietly stopped with no hype.

Lilly O'Brien will wonder why her chocs are not selling and that'll will be how the flouride endgame happens in Ireland.

zef · 12-11-2012 04:11PM

Even the Government and the Gardai dont drink the water.
EW Technologies (http://www.ewtechnologies.ie/our-water-filter-range.php) count among their many satisfied customers the HSE , Gardai Siochana , DCU , the National Museum of Ireland and many more.
They do reverse osmosis, which does remove fluoride from the water.

Capt'n Midnight · 12-11-2012 05:13PM

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

That's a frankly absurd comparision to be fair.

A better comparison would perhaps be the teaching of evolution.

Evidence based and all that

LivelineDipso · 12-11-2012 05:19PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A better comparison would perhaps be the teaching of evolution.

Evidence based and all that

People's concerns about Floruide - all over the Europe and other educated societies is based on on rational thought and not religion.

Robbo · 12-11-2012 06:22PM

JCabot wrote: »

This action of adding fluoride to our drinking water which is compulsory medication by a substance regarded within europe and many other parts of the world as a biocide and a posion is unconstutional. But it also has the potential of destroying our food export industry.

Fluoridation was never found unconstitutional.

There's a popular misconception that it was found so in Ryan -v- AG; it wasn't. An unenumerated right to bodily integrity was founded but it was held that fluoridation did not impinge upon this.

hooradiation · 12-11-2012 06:40PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

People's concerns about Floruide - all over the Europe and other educated societies is based on on rational thought and not religion.

Actually, the only issues with fluoridation that withstand any scrutiny are the ethical implications of what is essentially mass medication, but that's for each society to decide for itself whether it wants to engage in that or not.
In which case going "everyone else is/isn't doing this" carries no weight and never did.

The scientific concerns, such as they are, don't have the same standing.

Don't Chute! · 12-11-2012 06:50PM

JCabot wrote: »

This action of adding fluoride to our drinking water which is compulsory medication by a substance regarded within europe and many other parts of the world as a biocide and a posion is unconstutional. But it also has the potential of destroying our food export industry.

If it becomes common knowledge within many counteries where fluoride is rightly regarded as a toxin and is banned that our food products are manufacture with water containing fluoride they may also be banned.

I asked Diaego recently if beer brewed in St. James gate was done so using water which was medically treated with fluoride. As most of this product is exported to counteries which ban fluoride, I am still waiting for an answer.

One of the worlds biggest companies doesn't answer letter from lone nutjob shocker!

JCabot · 12-11-2012 10:18PM

black and amber wrote: »

One of the worlds biggest companies doesn't answer letter from lone nutjob shocker!

Maybe your the nutjob shocker by accepting fluoride poison because they did answer my letter.

JCabot · 12-11-2012 10:29PM

Robbo wrote: »

Fluoridation was never found unconstitutional.

There's a popular misconception that it was found so in Ryan -v- AG; it wasn't. An unenumerated right to bodily integrity was founded but it was held that fluoridation did not impinge upon this.

Why bother quoting some case and a play with words , wheather it is found unconstitional or not doesn't matter, what fluoride is is mass medication and that is removing my free choice to consume it. That is against fundamental principles or established precedents according to the Irish state.

And you say dont drink the water which I dont but it is also in all our home produced foodstuff aswell.

And how can a foreign country which does not allow this pratice and classes this as a biotoxin justify allowing it citizens to consume food produced in a country which uses it.

Fluoride endgame approaches....

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