The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)

robdonn

tommy2bad wrote: »

I don't think gay men are eulogised because he's gay, more likely the media uses gay men as surrogate females.
Theirs a trend to use female characters share males would have filled the role by default previously. Which is fair enough but the female roles are now being filled by gay characters. Sometimes it works and sometimes it fails. I'm looking at you Will and Grace.
Its more than slightly paranoid to claim theirs some gay agenda at work when its mostly lazy attempts to be cutting edge.

So they have replaced Alice from The Brady Bunch with South Park's Big Gay Al?

Daith

Black Menorca wrote: »

Social conditioning has immasculated the father figure. He is ridiculed in the media, the buffoon in sitcoms, an outdated dinosaur in the eyes of his children.

So basically what Fr Ted did for the Catholic Church here?

PopePalpatine

Oh noes, the gay agenda has come for BM! It's cultural Marxism, I tells ya, shure that's what it says in this week's "Alive!"

umop apisdn

Daith wrote: »

So basically what Fr Ted did for the Catholic Church here?

Dougal and Ted were grand priests, and very likeable.

aloyisious

Black Menorca wrote: »

Social conditioning has immasculated the father figure. He is ridiculed in the media, the buffoon in sitcoms, an outdated dinosaur in the eyes of his children.

While the gay man is eulogised, given preferential treatment, idolised in popular culture.

Conditioning that is escalating at it becomes more and more successful,

Interesting theory. Now do you watch real life or just U.S. TV cartoon and comedy series? I understand that most (if not an extremely large majority of) LGBT people are born to straight male and female couples and have a great deal of respect for both their parents, due to the love and respect given them by their parents.

Maybe the father-figure you refer-to not actually a parent, but the other titled father previously revered by the Irish public?

Delirium

Just an FYI, Black Menorca is sitebanned so you won't be getting a reply to your post from them.

aloyisious

News from Oz. Tony Abbott replaced by Malcolm Turnbull as party leader in secret ballot, now out of PM's office. Maybe this'll mean a change in cabinet stance on marriage equality in Oz.

Peregrinus

aloyisious wrote: »

News from Oz. Tony Abbott replaced by Malcolm Turnbull as party leader in secret ballot, now out of PM's office. Maybe this'll mean a change in cabinet stance on marriage equality in Oz.

Not immediately. Turnbull says he stands over the existing government policy, which is that this matter should be decided by a vote of the people. Someday. Somehow.

aloyisious

Supreme Court dismissed the last appeal against equal Civil Marriage within the last hour or so, and the Govt is moving ahead with law to comply with the wishes of the people, marriages by year end possible. RTE 1 Drive-time programme has news of same, say's there was no syncronisitry between court and Govt on decision, marriages within weeks.... Civil Partnerships will be equal to Civil marriages after bill goes before Dail next week (expected to be pro-forma route without delays by members) and then on for signature into law by Michael D....... EDIT. the €50 charge will apply to those who want to have paperwork on transfer of their existing C.P's to C.M., a reduction of the €200 fee which will (apparently) apply to those who are NOT in C.P's and plan entering C.M.

jobbridge4life

aloyisious wrote: »

Supreme Court dismissed the last appeal against equal Civil Marriage within the last hour or so, .

link...

Delirium

jobbridge4life wrote: »

link...

Supreme Court rejects leave to appeal over Marriage Equality referendum result

The Supreme Court has rejected the final leave to appeal over the result of the Marriage Equality referendum.

Gerry Walshe, an electrician from Lisdeen Road, Co Clare and Maurice Lyons, a gardener with an address at Callan, Co Kilkenny argued that the referendum had not been conducted in the correct manner.

Mr Walshe had claimed there was State bias in funds towards the Yes side, and that the the secrecy of the ballot was compromised by CCTV at polling stations.

Both were dismissed by High Court President Nicholas Kearns - and the Supreme Court will now not hear the cases.

In the decision of Mr Walse's case, the Supreme Court says: "the [applicant's] application for leave should be refused as lacking any factual or evidential basis".

"The [applicant's] claims rely on unsubstantiated assertions which are offered without any, or any adequate, evidence".

It comes as the Government publishes the Marriage Bill 2015, paving the way for same-sex marriage.

[..continues on linked page above]

jobbridge4life

Delirium wrote: »

Supreme Court rejects leave to appeal over Marriage Equality referendum result

Cheers.

Excellent news.

aloyisious

jobbridge4life wrote: »

link...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/court-rejects-referendum-objection-as-minister-approves-marriage-bill-696250.html. It's been reported in the Y.E.W. f/b page and on another equality page. YEW = Yes Equality Wicklow.

aloyisious

Bruce Springsteen cancell's Greenboro, N/Carolinna concert in protest against the new anti-lgbt state laws... http://www.nme.com/news/bruce-springsteen/92848

MrPudding

aloyisious wrote: »

Bruce Springsteen cancell's Greenboro, N/Carolinna concert in protest against the new anti-lgbt state laws... http://www.nme.com/news/bruce-springsteen/92848

Not a huge fan of him, but he has gone up in my estimation after this. I think the interesting thing here is that this legislation has been roundly criticised. I think is highly questionable whether or not "the people" support or want it. Obviously certain people do, but plenty are not supportive.

MrP

aloyisious

Rónan Mullen is aiming for re-election to the Seanad. He's got at least 2 videos up on facebook plugging himself & looking for votes. I wish him well, NOT, in his new campaign.

solodeogloria

aloyisious wrote: »

Rónan Mullen is aiming for re-election to the Seanad. He's got at least 2 videos up on facebook plugging himself & looking for votes. I wish him well, NOT, in his new campaign.

Good morning!

Is this now the politics forum? What does this have to do with Christianity? It is a matter of secular politics.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

lazygal

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning!

Is this now the politics forum? What does this have to do with Christianity? It is a matter of secular politics.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Mullen uses his office to push a religious agenda.

keano_afc

aloyisious wrote: »

Bruce Springsteen cancell's Greenboro, N/Carolinna concert in protest against the new anti-lgbt state laws... http://www.nme.com/news/bruce-springsteen/92848

As far as I understand the law is not that new, in fact it was in place when the concert was booked 6 months ago. I wonder why he booked the gig in the first place.

Cabaal

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning!

Is this now the politics forum? What does this have to do with Christianity? It is a matter of secular politics.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Not at all, his religious viewpoint dictate what agenda he pushes.
For example he was against marriage equality for religious reasons, he was also against civil marriage for religious reasons.

Kev W

keano_afc wrote: »

As far as I understand the law is not that new, in fact it was in place when the concert was booked 6 months ago. I wonder why he booked the gig in the first place.

I doubt he deals with the bookings himself.

Delirium

keano_afc wrote: »

As far as I understand the law is not that new, in fact it was in place when the concert was booked 6 months ago. I wonder why he booked the gig in the first place.

It was signed into law the week of March 26 this year.

alma73

I'm confused. The law allows for women to have their bathroom. What is wrong with his and hers? What has the civil law of some state in the us got to do with ireland? Or with gay people?

Off topic i know of no women who would use a mans jacks, my wife brought my son into one once and should could not beleve how filthy they were.

solodeogloria

Cabaal wrote: »

Not at all, his religious viewpoint dictate what agenda he pushes.
For example he was against marriage equality for religious reasons, he was also against civil marriage for religious reasons.

Good evening!

I'm personally happy to discuss what the Bible says in respect to sexuality. However, I do regard elected officials and what they may or may not say as a matter of politics. Or indeed performers who may have moral objections to certain laws in certain jurisdictions.

It's unsettling to see that there's threads primarily about political issues of secular politics on the Christianity forum. We should be using this forum to discuss matters of Christian faith. Our understanding of sexuality is one of those, and I'm happy to discuss Christian viewpoints on this subject, but that's the limit of what I will do.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Bannasidhe

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good evening!

I'm personally happy to discuss what the Bible says in respect to sexuality. However, I do regard elected officials and what they may or may not say as a matter of politics. Or indeed performers who may have moral objections to certain laws in certain jurisdictions.

It's unsettling to see that there's threads primarily about political issues of secular politics on the Christianity forum. We should be using this forum to discuss matters of Christian faith. Our understanding of sexuality is one of those, and I'm happy to discuss Christian viewpoints on this subject, but that's the limit of what I will do.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

It would be wonderful if Christians were content to discuss Christian viewpoints among themselves however, far too often, they then seek to impose their viewpoint (generally calling it The Christian view - even when other Christians disagree) upon all of society including non-Christians.

When issues such as Marriage Equality cannot be discussed without commentators such as Ronan Mullins and David Quinn using Christianity as their primary motive for opposition than religion becomes enmeshed in politics.

Personally I would prefer if all religions - and I do mean all - kept out of civil politics and recognised that while it is reasonable to expect members of a particular faith to abide by the 'rules' of that faith it is not reasonable to seek to impose those 'rules' on all of society.

aloyisious

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good evening!

I'm personally happy to discuss what the Bible says in respect to sexuality. However, I do regard elected officials and what they may or may not say as a matter of politics. Or indeed performers who may have moral objections to certain laws in certain jurisdictions.

It's unsettling to see that there's threads primarily about political issues of secular politics on the Christianity forum. We should be using this forum to discuss matters of Christian faith. Our understanding of sexuality is one of those, and I'm happy to discuss Christian viewpoints on this subject, but that's the limit of what I will do.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Rónan does not think that the issue of equal access to civil marriage is a political matter. He sees it as a religious matter, as marriage (IHO) is linked directly to religion as defined in the biblical messages of his God. He has dedicated a good piece of his political life in the Séanad and elsewhere opposing LGBT folk access to Civil Marriage on religious moral grounds. It's quite simple, Civil Marriage here exists via an act of the Oireachtas, not an edict from any religious body or authority, much to the disgust of (some) people of a religious bent.

It's quite possible that he also believes in solodeogloria, to the exception of other religions here in our democracy. We don't live in a theocratic republic here, TG.

aloyisious

alma73 wrote: »

I'm confused. The law allows for women to have their bathroom. What is wrong with his and hers? What has the civil law of some state in the us got to do with ireland? Or with gay people?

Off topic i know of no women who would use a mans jacks, my wife brought my son into one once and should could not beleve how filthy they were.

Seriously,,, your wife went into a MANS toilet???? :pac:

solodeogloria

aloyisious wrote: »

Rónan does not think that the issue of equal access to civil marriage is a political matter. He sees it as a religious matter, as marriage (IHO) is linked directly to religion as defined in the biblical messages of his God. He has dedicated a good piece of his political life in the Séanad and elsewhere opposing LGBT folk access to Civil Marriage on religious moral grounds. It's quite simple, Civil Marriage here exists via an act of the Oireachtas, not an edict from any religious body or authority, much to the disgust of (some) people of a religious bent.

It's quite possible that he also believes in solodeogloria, to the exception of other religions here in our democracy. We don't live in a theocratic republic here, TG.

Good morning all!

I think my point still stands. If people want to discuss further political moves to secularisation (which I'm in favour of) then there's copious space in the politics forum. Indeed if non-believers have issues with things they also gave the atheist forum.

I'm disturbed when the Christianity forum is being used to discuss political issues. If people have issues with what the Bible teaches on this issue I'm happy to discuss it. As I've done on the abortion thread I've said that personally I refuse to discuss secular political matters on the Christianity forum.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

MrPudding

solodeogloria wrote: »

I refuse to discuss secular political matters on the Christianity forum.

OK. We will try to muddle through.

MrP

aloyisious

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning all!

I think my point still stands. If people want to discuss further political moves to secularisation (which I'm in favour of) then there's copious space in the politics forum. Indeed if non-believers have issues with things they also gave the atheist forum.

I'm disturbed when the Christianity forum is being used to discuss political issues. If people have issues with what the Bible teaches on this issue I'm happy to discuss it. As I've done on the abortion thread I've said that personally I refuse to discuss secular political matters on the Christianity forum.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

As some members of the Séanad and the Dáil are unable to differentiate between matters civil and religious when it comes to marriage, it is inevitable that discussion of their political statements that marriage is absolutely a religious rite will pop up in any of the forums you mentioned. I admire your stance of refusing to discuss secular political matters on this Christianity forum.