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crazy cabbage

MOC88 wrote: »

I really do find it hard to see any moral implications considering we are already extending our lives far beyond what we could have lived 200 years ago

There is quite a difference between extending your life by 20ish% by taking care of yourself and eating proper and keeping healty ect and by 10000% and up by the means you are talking about.

MOC88

crazy cabbage wrote: »

There is quite a difference between extending your life by 20ish% by taking care of yourself and eating proper and keeping healty ect and by 10000% and up by the means you are talking about.

why?
if you have a hear or organ transplant is that a moral choice?
if you have any surgery does that mean it is a moral choice?
if you take any form of medication is it a moral choice?

the three above are all artificial life extensions.
I just don't see how it could be considered to be immoral to extend your life- in the end nobody would force you to do it anyhow and couldn't constrict you once it was done.

Wibbs

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

our immune system is comprised of organic nanobots that have been carefully tuned over the last 500,000,000 years are genetically programed to recognise your uniqueness. And they still get it wrong.

True but they've evolved to keep you alive for enough time to reproduce and pass on cultural information, theyre not built for extreme longevity. On the other hand on average a 20 year olds built in nanobots are pretty damn good and their risk of cancer etc is significantly lower than say a 60 year old. If you could upgrade a 60 year olds nanobots to acting like a 20 year olds their risk would drop. Never mind if you specifically tailored artificial ones.

If you live long enough you have a one in three risk of cancer. If you lived beyond three score and ten the risk goes up faster.

IIRC and counter intuitively the risks peak in late middle age and actually go down in the very old. It's usually simple wear and tear that sees them off.

To reduce that wear and tear and try to live as long as possible with your current body, keep your insulin levels in check. One thing that is common with all extremely old people is a very good genetic insulin response. Sugar it seems is much worse for you than even ciggies. This is even reflected in how we look. People with low blood sugar look younger and have biologically younger skin. People with higher blood sugars look older than their age and diabetics look older most of all. So cut down on the simple carbs. While type 1 diabetes is just pure bad luck and genetics, type 2 is almost entirely down to environment and lifestyle. It's almost unknown in primitive societies. Actually how young or old you look appears to be reflected in how biologically young and old you are.

Teeth made mammals successful but at the cost of dentists , most other animals have teeth that constantly regrow or use gizzards.

Well yes but lifestyle has a huge impact on this too. Look at the teeth of cavemen over the last 200,000 years. It's notably difficult to find one with dental caries, and crowding is significantly more rare. No braces required and plenty of space for wisdom teeth to come through because their dental arches are fully formed (apparently because of the chewing of tougher foods when young.Archaic Sapiens). Shít we see this in our dogs and recently too. Look at the ads for doggie dental sticks on the telly. Brought to you by the same companies that feed you bullshít about healthy foods and feed your dog the crap carb/veggie based diet in the first place. They're creating their own market. They even put artificial colourings into the bloody food, yet dogs can't see em. Think about it we feed an apex predator a mostly grain based diet and this is considered the norm, hell vets will recommend this diet and actually sell it in their surgeries. Daft. Ditto for cats dental health. There are specialised vet dentists FFS. Try and find a wolf or wildcat roaming the gloaming with dicky fangs. You won't. And barring accidents they live longer too.

Rented Mule

kneemos wrote: »

Our only hope for survival is to download our brains onto something which can last the thousands of years it will take to get to another habital planet and reasemble ourselves when we get there.

Who is going to assemble us if we have all downloaded our brains ?

ScumLord

Wibbs wrote: »

If you could upgrade a 60 year olds nanobots to acting like a 20 year olds their risk would drop.

If you could upgrade cells it would fix most aging problems. The other problem with our immune system is it's effectively fixed at birth. If something new comes along it's powerless, if you could upgrade them to be able to fight new diseases health issues would be a thing of the past. That could go further where every cell in the body could be rewritten every few years to repair any damaged dna sequences.

Well yes but lifestyle has a huge impact on this too. Look at the teeth of cavemen over the last 200,000 years. It's notably difficult to find one with dental caries, and crowding is significantly more rare.

That could be down to learned techniques too. Everyone in my family has straight teeth, none of us needed braces because our father used to push the gums down onto teeth coming through. Always resulted in perfectly straight teeth. Modern parents don't like putting their children through that because it hurts the baby but people back then would be less fearful of inflicting that kind of pain.

kneemos

Rented Mule wrote: »

Who is going to assemble us if we have all downloaded our brains ?

Could create a foetus and keep it nourished until it's old enough to download into,as long as it could walk and talk it would probably work.

Wibbs

ScumLord wrote: »

That could be down to learned techniques too. Everyone in my family has straight teeth, none of us needed braces because our father used to push the gums down onto teeth coming through. Always resulted in perfectly straight teeth. Modern parents don't like putting their children through that because it hurts the baby but people back then would be less fearful of inflicting that kind of pain.

Could be S. Eating more fibrous and tough foods would do similar, so maybe that's a replacement for that?

ScumLord

Wibbs wrote: »

Could be S. Eating more fibrous and tough foods would do similar, so maybe that's a replacement for that?

I have vague memories of our father giving us bones to chew on too. The poor old dog waiting patiently for his turn on the bone once we'd taken all the nice bits of spare meat off it.

Capt'n Midnight

ScumLord wrote: »

father giving us bones to chew on too

Bones ?

Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!