Unpopular hip hop opinions.

Bobby Baccala

Stealing this idea from the music forum, basically state opinions you have on anything hip hop be it artists, albums, songs etc that you would deem unpopular.

Here goes, Game is shít, like really shít. 50 is the better rapper by a mile when those 2 are compared.

At one point in his career Busta was one of the best rappers on the planet.

Phife is a better rapper than Q-Tip.

Nas' new album is only decent, I'm not mad about it, only a couple of stand out tracks on it.

Eazy was just bad altogether, horrible voice, gammy flow, barely wrote his own lyrics.

Nowadays KRS-One is just a pain in the bollocks to listen to.


Knock yourselves out.

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Here goes, Game is shít, like really shít. 50 is the better rapper by a mile when those 2 are compared.

Eazy was just bad altogether, horrible voice, gammy flow, barely wrote his own lyrics.

Nowadays KRS-One is just a pain in the bollocks to listen to.

You broke me, I don't know where to start.

Biggie is not a top 5 rapper, nor is he better than 2pac hell he is not even top 5 from Brooklyn.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

he is not even top 5 from Brooklyn.

Was surprised at that tbh, who would you rate above biggie that's from bk?

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Was surprised at that tbh, who would you rate above biggie that's from bk?

Mos, Kweli, Ortiz, GZA and BDK and MCA.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Mos, Kweli, Ortiz, GZA and BDK and MCA

I'd agree with that apart from Ortiz, I'm not mad into him. Jay Z is another brooklyn rapper, would you rate him above big?

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I'd agree with that apart from Ortiz, I'm not mad into him. Jay Z is another brooklyn rapper, would you rate him above big?

Yes, I can't believe I did not put him on. I was thinking him. Well there is 6/7 better than Big from Brooklyn alone. He died, he was then over-hyped.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

He died, he was then over-hyped.

I dont think he was over-hyped, he was an excellent MC. He had it all really, brilliant flow, lyrics, beats (for the most part). If any dead rapper is over-hyped it's Tupac.

Jimmy Iovine

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Yes, I can't believe I did not put him on. I was thinking him. Well there is 6/7 better than Big from Brooklyn alone. He died, he was then over-hyped.

It happens a lot with dead artists, and people in general.

If Biggie and Tupac were around today I don't think they'd have the same mythical status in hip hop. They were frozen in time and they were spared the ignominy of trying to stay relevant to hip hop when they reach their 40s.

What more would Biggie be able to rap about? He would have turned 40 a few months ago. He wouldn't be able to keep rapping about drugs and bitches and all that, and I couldn't see him going down the "socially conscious rapper" route.

Tupac would probably have been able to get away with it, but he may have done a 3 Stacks on it and gone into films full time while putting out the odd verse.

I think I said on this a few months ago that if someone like Snoop had been shot and killed 5/10 years ago then he'd be immediately elevated to that top tier of rappers.

As bad and all as it is to say this if he was got after '2001' was released then he'd probably be held in the same regard as Biggie and Tupac. He played a significant role in 3 classics and ever since the turn of the millennium he has gone downhill and become a parody of himself. He's releasing a reggae album soon ffs.

Rjd2

I really don't like Aesop Rock.


And scroobius pip doesn't rock my boat sadly.

Bobby Baccala

Rjd2 wrote: »

I really don't like Aesop Rock.

That's not an unpopular one i know a good few people who wont tolerate his music, personally, I think he's brilliant.

conor.hogan.2

I think 2pacs 10 platinum albums speak for themselves, and half of his best songs aren't even on some of those albums.

He did not have to die to nearly go Diamond either.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I think 2pacs 10 platinum albums speak for themselves, and half of his best songs aren't even on some of those albums.

He did not have to die to nearly go Diamond either.

I know you're intelligent enough to know that sales dont reflect talent. Dont get me wrong though, I'm not doubting pacs talent.

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I know you're intelligent enough to know that sales dont reflect talent. Dont get me wrong though, I'm not doubting pacs talent.

No, but his talent along with his sales clearly state he is in no way overhyped.

He was an actor etc too so his hype is around everything, but as a rapper he deserves his spot in rappers GOAT and fans GOAT lists.

Makaveli

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

What more would Biggie be able to rap about? He would have turned 40 a few months ago. He wouldn't be able to keep rapping about drugs and bitches and all that, and I couldn't see him going down the "socially conscious rapper" route.

Jay-Z is still relevant in his 40s without being socially conscious or rapping about drugs and bitches.

Briando

I like Rhianna, she has her own unique sound. I know alot of you think she sucks, but consider this.. why do all the other rappers want to collaborate with her? Cause she is awesome. SLAM DUNK!!!!1

baddebt

looks like Drake was reading your Thread Paddy

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.20582/title.drake-says-hes-the-first-person-to-successfully-rap-and-sing


Lupe fiasco as well

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.20561/title.lupe-fiasco-says-97-of-hip-hop-is-terrible-praises-drake-slaughterhouse

Bobby Baccala

Briando wrote: »

I like Rhianna, she has her own unique sound. I know alot of you think she sucks, but consider this.. why do all the other rappers want to collaborate with her? Cause she is awesome. SLAM DUNK!!!!1

She's not hip hop.

baddebt wrote: »

looks like Drake was reading your Thread Paddy

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.20582/title.drake-says-hes-the-first-person-to-successfully-rap-and-sing


Lupe fiasco as well

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.20561/title.lupe-fiasco-says-97-of-hip-hop-is-terrible-praises-drake-slaughterhouse

What???

baddebt

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

She's not hip hop.



What???

that was exactly my re-action when I read the articles

baddebt

ok here goes ,


Purely my own opinion of course
Outkast are over-rated
Biggie only had 1 good Album
I don't rate Ludacris at all
Raekwon's latest Album "Shaolin Vs Wu-Tang was bitterly disappointing

mufcboy1999

great idea for a thread

Eminem was hip hops first true global star and introduced a whole generation properly to hip hop and other artists and is going to go down as the goat when he's gone for what he's achieved.

Commercial hip hop is dead and if its not, its defiantly on its last legs. Techno and pop have all but killed it thanks to your drake's, lil waynes etc.

why didn't the likes of dr dre and snoop who are multi millionaires help pay for nate doggs medical bills? real friends...i think not.

2pac murder was the biggest set up ever and micheal jackson was murdered.

Bobby Baccala

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

great idea for a thread

Eminem was hip hops first true global star and introduced a whole generation properly to hip hop and other artists and is going to go down as the goat when he's gone for what he's achieved.

Commercial hip hop is dead and if its not, its defiantly on its last legs. Techno and pop have all but killed it thanks to your drake's, lil waynes etc.

why didn't the likes of dr dre and snoop who are multi millionaires help pay for nate doggs medical bills? real friends...i think not.

2pac murder was the biggest set up ever and micheal jackson was murdered.

I agree completely with most of this apart from techno playing a part in killing hip hop. I'm partial to a bit of techno and believe me it's not similar to the likes of the beats wayne and drake and nicki and all that lot are using, they use a different type of EDM, it's like that david guetta shít, he's not really techno, he's electro, very similar to the stuff you hear in todays hip hop. If you want to hear real techno listen to a song called "1010" by Boyz Noize, i can guarantee that you'll hate it but it's real techno and commercial hip hop wasnt affected by the likes of it.

I agree pacs murder was a set up, not gang related like others will tell you, it had to be either government or record label related. I also agree MJ was murdered but god knows what's behind that.

Bobby Baccala

baddebt wrote: »

ok here goes ,


Purely my own opinion of course
Outkast are over-rated
Biggie only had 1 good Album
I don't rate Ludacris at all
Raekwon's latest Album "Shaolin Vs Wu-Tang was bitterly disappointing

Why do you find outkast overrated?
Personally i like biggies ready to die and life after death, 2 very consistent albums imo.

I agree on your other points, I despise ludacris' music and Rae being one of my favourite rappers i was horribly disappointed by shaolin vs wu tang.

HalloweenJack

I hate all the crossovers and watering down of hip-hop music. Some people are just putting out dance music at this stage.

As mentioned above, the likes of Busta and Snoop have lost whatever they once had. Some rappers need to know when to step away, which is especially ironic if you ever listened to Busta's song "Legend of the Fall-Offs".

Dre owes nobody anything and if he wants to spend the next ten years working on Detox, he should.

I like Drake but can't stand Lil' Wayne.

I agree that death cemented 2Pac and Biggie's legendary status. Just looking at other rappers, their quality definitely dipped over the years.

baddebt

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Why do you find outkast overrated?
Personally i like biggies ready to die and life after death, 2 very consistent albums imo.

I agree on your other points, I despise ludacris' music and Rae being one of my favourite rappers i was horribly disappointed by shaolin vs wu tang.

Ready to die is a great album ,
just don't have Life after death in the same bracket really ,
could never just get into outkast past or present , just never enjoyed their ****

mufcboy1999

+1 on outkast, I cant call them over-rated as I didn't listen too much of them but i do find them hard to get into I must say.

Jimmy Iovine

Makaveli wrote: »

Jay-Z is still relevant in his 40s without being socially conscious or rapping about drugs and bitches.

He is one of the few.

I actually just realised there that Jigga was 2 and a half years older than Biggie. I always had it in my head that Biggie was almost like an older brother to Jay. I never knew that he was so much younger than him.

HalloweenJack

Best rap group is a toss up between Wu Tang and Outkast.

Also, I've always been on Nas' side as opposed to Jay'Z.

Jason Todd

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

At one point in his career Busta was one of the best rappers on the planet.

Agreed!

Outkast and B.I.G. are overrated

Ludacris and Method Man are underrated

Lil' Wayne could have been one of the greatest, but he riggidy-wrecked himself

I thought Ice Cube's Raw Footage was a poor album, a lot of my mates disagree.

Rap's collabos with Rock elevated it in the 80's/90's (Run DMC/ Aerosmith, nu-metal) but the collabos in the last 5-10 years with Pop/Dance have ruined it.

I worry Eminem is finished. The hunger may be gone and I'd hate to see him become a joke figure (Snoop anyone?), like someone the old Em would have destroyed on a track.

My two cents anyway! Good to get that off my chest!

FishBowel

Most famous rap samples were already used by other rappers.

latenia

House of Pain's first album is a classic.

Live hip-hop is generally terrible-I've gone to just about every gig by American artists in Dublin over the last 15 years and I'd say about 5 of those were genuinely great concerts. The rest always have poor sound and shouting mc's doing lame crowd participation "Wave your hands in the air like you just don't care" etc.

Late 90s Puff Daddy, Ma$e, Biggie etc is great commercial pop music

Mickolution

baddebt wrote: »

Biggie only had 1 good Album

While I disagree with you on this one (I love both albums), a 50% record on good albums isn't that bad in hip-hop!

I agree to an extent that he wouldn't be as highly regarded if he was still alive today as he would have probably put out some bad albums/tracks. That's the case with almost any artist who died young, though. Look at Nirvana or Hendrix. Great acts who weren't around long enough to dirty their bib.

BetterCallSaul

Rjd2 wrote: »

I really don't like Aesop Rock.

Aesop is definitely an acquired taste, Labor Days and None Shall Pass are great albums. The more you listen to him the more he grows on you.

Bobby Baccala

latenia wrote: »

House of Pain's first album is a classic.

Couldnt agree with you more Got the CD a few weeks back and it's been regularly played since then.

Talib Fiasco

Seriously you won't find a guy on here with more unpopular and outrageous opinions than me. Here goes.

-Biggie and 2pac are not top 20 worthy let alone top 5
-Big L is far from the best punchline artist ever and shouldn't be considered top 30 let alone top 10
-One Be Lo is the best rapper of all time (probably the most outrageous one but I feel damn strongly about it and I think he definitely deserves consideration)
-KRS-One is boring as hell 75% of the time and hasn't been relevant or worth listening to with a long @ss time now
-Don't Sweat The Technique is the most enjoyable and overall best Eric B + Rakim album
-The Black Album is Jay-Z's best album
-CunninLynguists are wack besides Kno's production
-Eazy E was/is a terrible rapper
-Ghostface Killah is the best rapper from the Wu overall and should be considered for top 10 status
-My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was awful and is as bad or if not worse than 808's which was a well executed creative and experimental album but was just too experimental for most people
-Tonedeff although technically a good rapper is truly a sub par rapper
-Ice Cube has the most classic albums/joints bar none
-Lloyd Banks is and has always been the best rapper in G-Unit regardless of albums released

I've got lots more but I think that'll do for now...

mufcboy1999

-Lloyd Banks is and has always been the best rapper in G-Unit regardless of albums released

agreed !

Ludacris and Method Man are underrated

agreed even though luda's new stuff is awful.

- 808s was possibly one of the worst albums iv ever listened too.
- 50 cent is the mixtape king and set the blueprint for what the mixtape game is today, 1st successful artist to them in song format and get a record deal through them.
- lil wayne is one of the worst rappers iv ever heard, really ruins just about every song he's on.
- Snoop dogg has fallen of so much that he should honestly retire. Most of his new stuff is just cringe-worthy.
- Illmatic is not the greatest hip hop album of all time.
- Drake is not hip hop imo.

tossy

The majority of people who post in this forum don't have the first clue about Hip Hop.

Jimmy Iovine

Jason Todd wrote: »

Lil' Wayne could have been one of the greatest, but he riggidy-wrecked himself

I don't think he ever had it in him to become one of the greatest. I think his mixtapes were probably his best works but even they wouldn't match up to the other great mixtape artists around.

He's a joke now.

TheComeUp wrote: »

Ghostface Killah is the best rapper from the Wu overall and should be considered for top 10 status

I agree with that.

TheComeUp wrote: »

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was awful

Can't agree with this.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

50 cent is the mixtape king and set the blueprint for what the mixtape game is today, 1st successful artist to them in song format and get a record deal through them.

I think Chamillionaire's mixtapes as a whole are actually better than 50's.

His Mixtape Messiah series is one of the greatest in the whole industry. His first tape, "The Mixtape Messiah", is the most bought mixtape in Texas history. No mean feat in a state the size of Texas. It's also the longest with 67 tracks and it managed to end Mike Jones' career.

There are 7 mixtapes in that series and each of them is brilliant, and he has put out a lot of other high quality tapes.

This didn't exactly transfer over into the commercial side like 50 managed to do but there's still time.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Snoop dogg has fallen of so much that he should honestly retire. Most of his new stuff is just cringe-worthy.

Have you heard his reggae song? It's rubbish.

MrKingsley

TheComeUp wrote: »

-Tonedeff although technically a good rapper is truly a sub par rapper

not that im trying to be smart or anything but what do you mean by that?

Just on the point of dead rappers being over hyped. I think that with Biggie his best was perhaps yet to come. I think that hed be held in even higher regard if hed brought out 5/6 albums. Fair enough if he was still rapping now he surely wouldve brought out some dross but I still think that wouldve been worth it. When I listen to him im not thinking about how sad it is that his life was cut short though. Im thinking 'every single one of these tracks is a thing of beauty and id like more of it'


Anywho unpopular opinion eh???
D-12 world is a quality album and as a group they werent given the credit they deserved(barring the fatty of course) purely becuase they were 'latching' onto eminem

Bobby Baccala

MrKingsley wrote: »

Anywho unpopular opinion eh???
D-12 world is a quality album and as a group they werent given the credit they deserved(barring the fatty of course) purely becuase they were 'latching' onto eminem

Coincidentally I'm listening to Proof as i type this, i have Devils Night and i have to say it's a fairly good album for the most part, i didnt hold D-12 in high regard until i'd heard it, i was always a fan of proofs solo stuff though.

mufcboy1999

I think Chamillionaire's mixtapes as a whole are actually better than 50's.

His Mixtape Messiah series is one of the greatest in the whole industry. His first tape, "The Mixtape Messiah", is the most bought mixtape in Texas history. No mean feat in a state the size of Texas. It's also the longest with 67 tracks and it managed to end Mike Jones' career.

There are 7 mixtapes in that series and each of them is brilliant, and he has put out a lot of other high quality tapes.

This didn't exactly transfer over into the commercial side like 50 managed to do but there's still time.

im well aware of chamillionaires presence on the mixtape scene and how many he has out there, he's similar to banks and budden in terms of being a heavy mixtape artist with series of tapes behind his back. I give 50 the credit purely because he really made the mixtape scene what it is today, started making them in song format after none of the labels would sign him after he was shot in the early 00s and managed to create a huge buzz from them similar to what artists like cole,lamar and even drake have done in recent years and manged to get that 1 million dollar deal with shady/aftermath even before an album.

i really am lazy towards cham and tbh what iv heard i like a lot, he brought a few songs out a few months back and one of them was a version of one of j.coles songs and it got some serious playback from me at the time.

Have you heard his reggae song? It's rubbish.

yes i have man, terrible !. He's actually bringing out a reggae album, interesting too see how it stacks up against distant relatives because that was quality imo.

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Coincidentally I'm listening to Proof..

He is excellent. (brilliant albums and his d12 work, he should get as much respect as Biggie and Eminem)

Which reminds me that Eminem is far from a top 5 rapper he is not the best rapper from detroit (Royce) or d12 (Proof) even and he barely places himself in his top 10 (he places himself 9th..)

Much like with Biggie I am a huge fan but they get way way too much credit.

Hip-Hop is and never was dead or dieing, you just have to look.

Bobby Baccala

British hip hop is shít apart from some of Mike Skinners work.

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

British hip hop is shít apart from some of Mike Skinners work.

Much like Irish, Canadian and other hip-hop there is some gems among the crap much like in America.

Jimmy Iovine

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

i really am lazy towards cham and tbh what iv heard i like a lot, he brought a few songs out a few months back and one of them was a version of one of j.coles songs and it got some serious playback from me at the time.

Which song was that? Was it from his Ammunition EP?

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

yes i have man, terrible !. He's actually bringing out a reggae album, interesting too see how it stacks up against distant relatives because that was quality imo.

It won't have a patch on that. Snoop seems to be trying to sing on it himself. He should just retire at this stage. He's making a fool of himself really. It won't be long until people start remembering him for this sort of gimmicky shíte and not the three classics that he was a part of.

pragmatic1

-Raekwon is one of the weakest from the wu. His flow is boring and he mostly spits just random ****.
-Jay and Nas are way better than Biggie and 2 Pac ever were.
-Eminem's best album was the slim shady LP.
-GZA is good but overrated.
-The takeover is a better diss than ether.
-Kurupt is complete shyte now, much like snoop but in a different way.
-Kool G Rap is/was way better than Rakim.

Makaveli

baddebt wrote: »

looks like Drake was reading your Thread Paddy

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.20582/title.drake-says-hes-the-first-person-to-successfully-rap-and-sing

Kid has obviously never heard of Lauryn Hill.

ustari

Good idea OP.

Here we go:

Tupac is extremely overrated as a rapper. He may be a decent poet to some but his rapping is just poor imo.

As someone said earlier, Takeover is a better song than Ether, Ether is probably more vicious but as a song Takeover is better and deserves more credit.

Lil Wayne is ****e by and large. Can't understand the appeal for him.

Rick Ross is another person I don't understand the appreciation for, one decent album is all he has done.

Action Bronson deserves more credit, really good rapper, I feel his colour/appearence is holding him back.

Asher Roth is a good rapper, the fact that "I love College" was his big single is not a fair representation of him. While he is quite fratty he has done some great with Nottz.

J. Cole is hugely talented and should get more appreciation.

Kanye West has been one of hip hops most important figures, even if you dont like his music you have to appreciate his talent/success/work.

I know it won a Mercury but "Boy in the Corner" from Dizzee Rascal is a brilliant album and more people need to listen to it. Forget the recent years where he has been cashing in (which I have no problem with), BITC will be a future classic.

Frank Ocean and maybe Earl will be the only part of the OF movement that we will be hearing about in 5 years time.

Jay Z has had the best career of anyone in rap.

The new age of piracy isnt ruining the music industry, it is helping it.

Wu Tang are becoming a parody of themselves.

horsebox09

Hmmm...

Ghostface Killah is the best rapper of all time, just ahead of Kool G Rap for me

DJ Paul & Juicy J are the most underrated producers of all time

Immortal Technique is a sh!tty rapper, a good lyricist at his best, but his flow and delivery are atrocious

Rick Ross has been making better music than 50 Cent or The Game since 2009 (not sure if this is unpopular, probably on this forum)

Lil Wayne is overhated on this board, Da Drought 3, Dedication 2, Carter 1 and 2 and the Carter 3 sessions are all solid

Wu Tang Forever is the most underrated album of the 90s, in any genre

The 7 Day Theory is 2pac's best album

Follow the Leader is a far superior album to Paid In Full

Electric Circus is one of Common's best releases, and one of the most overlooked albums of the 2000s

Just a few for now

Osmosis Jones

Everything Lil Wayne has released is pure shyte.

Tyler the Creator and well pretty much all of Odd Future are over rated.

I actually like Relapse, and think Em might have 1 more decent album in him.

Lowkey is a brilliant rapper.

FishBowel

Rap music peaked in 1994 and it's gone downhill since. The only reason people rate the recent rappers is because they don't listen to the older stuff.

conor.hogan.2

Waka and 2chains are worse than Drake, Ross or Wayne.