Permission granted to grow GM potatoes in Ireland

suicide_circus

The EPA has given permission to Teagasc to begin growing genetically modified potatoes in Ireland.

Initially on a trial basis, two hectares of potatoes will be planted in Co Carlow. It is claimed that the crops will grow faster and be more resistant to blight.

What is your opinion on these abominations against God and nature? I will give them a cautious thumbs up.

girl2

Disgraceful. I hope no one buys these. There's enough artificial stuff in our foods out there as it is and it's having a crazy impact on people.

No good.

Quatermain

As long as they do not rise against us, overthrowing their masters, I think we should be alright.

On the other hand, this man makes an awful lot of sense.

Hande hoche!

Will have their work cut out to beat a good bag of Kerr's Pink.

Ghandee

Does this mean Mr Tayto gets supersized willy?

--Kaiser--

girl2 wrote: »

Disgraceful. I hope no one buys these. There's enough artificial stuff in our foods out there as it is and it's having a crazy impact on people.

No good.

Evidence?

Sulla Felix

My problem isn't with the potatoes per se but with the absolute impossibility of genetically isolating them. Cross pollination WILL happen. Even on terminator corn which are supposed to be sterile its happened.

Jester252

suicide_circus wrote: »

The EPA has given permission to Teagasc to begin growing genetically modified potatoes in Ireland.

Initially on a trial basis, two hectares of potatoes will be planted in Co Carlow. It is claimed that the crops will grow faster and be more resistant to blight.

What is your opinion on these abominations against God and nature? I will give them a cautious thumbs up.

Old news. GM food has been growen here for ever

Duggy747

Eventually, one mutant potato will have had enough of seeing his brethren being devoured by us and will concoct a terrorist plot to kill us all.

I know this to be true because I've watched too many shìt movies.

danniemcq

All for it.

we have come to a stage in time where we are quickly running out of food to feed a ever expanding population.

If we can have a more resistant strand of wheat or corn (or spuds) that would be more resiliant to drought or create a higher yeild per acre then all for it.

All this organic crap where you pay extra for little or no benifit is bullcrap.

CardBordWindow

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

--Kaiser--

CardBordWindow wrote: »

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Go back to living in a cave so

vicwatson

suicide_circus wrote: »

The EPA has given permission to Teagasc to begin growing genetically modified potatoes in Ireland.

Initially on a trial basis, two hectares of potatoes will be planted in Co Carlow. It is claimed that the crops will grow faster and be more resistant to blight.

What is your opinion on these abominations against God and nature? I will give them a cautious thumbs up.

God? Ah hold on.

Cookie_Monster

girl2 wrote: »

Disgraceful. I hope no one buys these. There's enough artificial stuff in our foods out there as it is and it's having a crazy impact on people.

No good.

Rice has been GM for decades, probably hasn't bothered you though has it?

Seaneh

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Evidence?

Men are developing enlarged breasts because of the hormone levels in intensively raised chickens, children are being born with sexual organ mutaions at a higher rate for the same reason.
Girls are developing puberty at a younger age, the instances of prostate cancer is vastly increased, instances of breast cancer are vastly increased.


I could go on if you want?

The ****e we (or poducers) are adding to our foods is ****ing with our bodies in a massive way.

Hande hoche!

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Rice has been GM for decades, probably hasn't bothered you though has it?

Key part of the green revolution.

Seaneh

danniemcq wrote: »

All for it.

we have come to a stage in time where we are quickly running out of food to feed a ever expanding population.

If we can have a more resistant strand of wheat or corn (or spuds) that would be more resiliant to drought or create a higher yeild per acre then all for it.

All this organic crap where you pay extra for little or no benifit is bullcrap.

the problem is, gm crops require more neutraints, more water and more effort, not really much help when the places crops are needed most tend to me dry and the soils tend to not be great.

danniemcq

Seaneh wrote: »

the problem is, gm crops require more neutraints, more water and more effort, not really much help when the places crops are needed most tend to me dry and the soils tend to not be great.

no they don't they require less. well maybe in the initial testing stage maybe but in the long run i don't think so

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8789279.stm

We take a plant, which typically carries about 30,000 genes, and add a few additional genes that confer insect resistance, or herbicide resistance, or disease resistance, or more efficient water use, or improved human nutrition, or less polluting effluent from animals that eat the grain, or more efficient fertiliser uptake, or increased yield.

We could even (heck, why not?) do all of the above to the same plant.

The result is increased yield, decreased agrochemical use and reduced environmental impact of agriculture.

Cú Giobach

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Rice has been GM for decades, probably hasn't bothered you though has it?

Rice has been genetically modified for thousands of years, from this to this.
Why do people forget this???

Here is an un-genetically modified dog.

It would be a tad tricky not using genetically modified things.

tmc86

po-tay-toe

po-tah-toe

The Dagda

CardBordWindow wrote: »

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

It is broke, blight is getting more aggressive, requiring more and more chemicals to be used. They are researching making the potatoe more resistant to this aggressive blight. Thus avoiding the use of chemicals. Science is not evil.

danniemcq

The Dagda wrote: »

It is broke, blight is getting more aggressive, requiring more and more chemicals to be used. They are researching making the potatoe more resistant to this aggressive blight. Thus avoiding the use of chemicals. Science is not evil.

agreed, also from the same article i quoted abouve

Some say we do not need GM blight resistant potatoes to solve the £3.5bn per year problem of potato blight, because blight resistant varieties have been bred. But if these varieties are so wonderful, how come farmers spend £500 per hectare on spraying to protect blight sensitive varieties?

The answer is the market demands varieties such as Maris Piper, so we need to make them blight resistant.

Seaneh

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Rice has been genetically modified for thousands of years, from this to this.
Why do people forget this???

Here is an un-genetically modified dog.

It would be a tad tricky not using genetically modified things.

Yoy are confusing selective breeding with genetic modification.

Seaneh

danniemcq wrote: »

no they don't they require less. well maybe in the initial testing stage maybe but in the long run i don't think so

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8789279.stm

The most commonly used GMO's in the world are Monsanto's RR Soybean, his has been proven to require several times more water and fertalizer and have negligibly increased yields.

Their pest resistant corn is the same and both have been proven to cause organ failure in animals.

GMO's are not the solution to our food shortage.

Sea Filly

suicide_circus wrote: »

What is your opinion on these abominations against God and nature? I will give them a cautious thumbs up.

You know the word 'abomination' has a negative connotation?

Cú Giobach

Seaneh wrote: »

Yoy are confusing selective breeding with genetic modification.

Selective breeding is a tool for genetic modification of a species, it just takes longer than doing it in a lab.
For example, we have used selective breeding to modify the genetic make up of a type of grass to produce large seeds that don't fall off the plant when "ripe", so we can harvest it easily and make bread out of it.

Seaneh

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Selective breeding is a tool for genetic modification of a species, it just takes longer than doing it in a lab.
For example, we have used selective breeding to modify the genetic make up of a type of grass to produce large seeds that don't fall off the plant when "ripe", so we can harvest it easily and make bread out of it.

Again, this is different.

We are isolating already present genetic advantages and over the course of generations developing something that is of more use to us. We turned corn and wheat from useless grasses to massive portions of the westren diet of hundreds/thousands of years. We do the same thing with cows, pigs, sheep, dogs, I know this.

But what monsanto and their ilk do is introduce entirely alien genetics into an organism, like thier beans and corn products.

These products are bad news, on a lot of levels.

books4sale

suicide_circus wrote: »

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What is your opinion on these abominations against God .

Steady on there, not everyone believes in fairytales.

Global warming getting worse, 7 billion population, reduced crop yields and resources. Added to all this we are eating GM foods through cereals etc. already

So not only is it the future it is already our present. Ireland as an agricultural country should be at the forefront of this technology but sure why don't we just leave it to someone else, reminds me of Denmark's world leading wind energy industry when Ireland is the country with stacks of wind.

Ireland ...global leaders of nothing!

SocSocPol

Seaneh wrote: »

Men are developing enlarged breasts because of the hormone levels in intensively raised chickens, children are being born with sexual organ mutaions at a higher rate for the same reason.
Girls are developing puberty at a younger age, the instances of prostate cancer is vastly increased, instances of breast cancer are vastly increased.


I could go on if you want?

The ****e we (or poducers) are adding to our foods is ****ing with our bodies in a massive way.

None of which has anything at all to do with GM foods, GM is NOT an additive!

--Kaiser--

Seaneh wrote: »

Men are developing enlarged breasts because of the hormone levels in intensively raised chickens, children are being born with sexual organ mutaions at a higher rate for the same reason.
Girls are developing puberty at a younger age, the instances of prostate cancer is vastly increased, instances of breast cancer are vastly increased.


I could go on if you want?

The ****e we (or poducers) are adding to our foods is ****ing with our bodies in a massive way.

None of which has anything to do with GM crops

hardCopy

danniemcq wrote: »

All for it.

we have come to a stage in time where we are quickly running out of food to feed a ever expanding population.

If we can have a more resistant strand of wheat or corn (or spuds) that would be more resiliant to drought or create a higher yeild per acre then all for it.

All this organic crap where you pay extra for little or no benifit is bullcrap.

We're not running out of food. We have starving people because our distribution systems are flawed. We punish farmers for producing too much milk while people starve in other parts of the world.

I'm not particularly worried about GM food, I'd more concerned about the levels of pesticides we currently use than the threat of GM.

Bacon Fries are made from GM corn and they taste bloody great.

Seaneh

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

None of which has anything to do with GM crops

IT has to do with GM foodstuffs though.

Also, the poster your quoted didn't specify GM crops, they merely said "There's enough artificial stuff in our foods out there as it is and it's having a crazy impact on people".


You asked them to back it up, I backed it up for them...

Cú Giobach

Seaneh wrote: »

Again, this is different.

We are isolating already present genetic advantages and over the course of generations developing something that is of more use to us. We turned corn and wheat from useless grasses to massive portions of the westren diet of hundreds/thousands of years. We do the same thing with cows, pigs, sheep, dogs, I know this.

But what monsanto and their ilk do is introduce entirely alien genetics into an organism, like thier beans and corn products.

These products are bad news, on a lot of levels.

I am just pointing out genetic modification has been going on for a long time, and not always with good results nor only using "already present genetic advantages", look at this poor creature.

There is good and bad in modifying genes the key point is "be very fucking careful".
I have no time for Monsanto etc.. as they are driven by profit, not by a desire to do good.

Seaneh

SocSocPol wrote: »

None of which has anything at all to do with GM foods, GM is NOT an additive!

None of those are from additives, they are from GM dairy cows, GM chickens and so forth.
Those animals are feed with GM cereals which make them grow quicker/produce more and the end result is, dun dun dun, the stuff I listed.

--Kaiser--

Seaneh wrote: »

IT has to do with GM foodstuffs though.

Also, the poster your quoted didn't specify GM crops, they merely said "There's enough artificial stuff in our foods out there as it is and it's having a crazy impact on people".


You asked them to back it up, I backed it up for them...

(Actually, making statements without any evidence is not backing anything up, but anyway....)

How is feeding growth hormomes to chickens anything to do with GM? Merely a rhetorical question because I know the answer

Seaneh

Cú Giobach wrote: »

I am just pointing out genetic modification has been going on for a long time, and not always with good results nor only using "already present genetic advantages", look at this poor creature.

There is good and bad in modifying genes the key point is "be very fucking careful".
I have no time for Monsanto etc.. as they are driven by profit, not by a desire to do good.

The problem is, that companies like Monsanto are the ones who will benefit from this in the long run.

Spuds will go the way of soy and corn and people won't be allowed to save their seed potatoes because some bastarding company will have a "patent" on the ****ing plant, that patented plant will cross contaminate the other plants in the area and then the company will sue the farmers who aren't even planting their organism for patent breech because of cross contamination.
It's already happening in the US.

steddyeddy

More or less every crop in Ireland is already genetically modified.

Seaneh

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

(Actually, making statements without any evidence is not backing anything up, but anyway....)

How is feeding growth hormomes to chickens anything to do with GM? Merely a rhetorical question because I know the answer

Well, the chickens aren't just fed the growth hormones, the genetically modified corns they are fed also cause their bodies to produce more of the hormones themselves.

Cows fed GM corn/soy produce meat with much higher fat content and lower nutritional values.

etc, etc, etc.

My name is URL

I've no problem with the idea of GM crops in theory. Though if it goes in the way of the US where a couple of massive and highly litigious corporations have a monopoly on the market I wouldn't be too keen on it. There's various documentaries about Monsanto etc which people should watch just to get an idea of how they operate.

The whole GM thing was originally touted as a way to help farmers, and instead has led to thousands upon thousands of farmers been put out of action throughout the world. Monsanto have actually sued farmers because their patented seeds were found amongst their own crops (carried by wind in some cases). Some of their patented crops also require increased applications of pesticides, which in turn leads to soil degradation.

The modern agribusiness sector isn't as progressive as it lets on to be. It causes more problems than it solves in many cases.

--Kaiser--

Seaneh wrote: »

Well, the chickens aren't just fed the growth hormones, the genetically modified corns they are fed also cause their bodies to produce more of the hormones themselves.

Cows fed GM corn/soy produce meat with much higher fat content and lower nutritional values.

etc, etc, etc.

Still waiting on that evidence. My thoughts are that problems with growth hormones would be due to the fact animals are injected with growth hormone to increase their size. Again, nothing to do with GM crops

Cú Giobach

Seaneh wrote: »

The problem is, that companies like Monsanto are the ones who will benefit from this in the long run.

Spuds will go the way of soy and corn and people won't be allowed to save their seed potatoes because some bastarding company will have a "patent" on the ****ing plant, that patented plant will cross contaminate the other plants in the area and then the company will use the farmers who aren't even playing their organism for patent breech because of cross contamination.
It's already happening in the US.

You're spot on there, though that is mis-use of the "tool", it is not genetic modification itself that is bad in the above examples, but how it is used.

As I mentioned in another thread recently, the modern world sadly runs on greed at the moment, and until that changes many wonderful tools we have will be used to put profit over people.

Conflats

CardBordWindow wrote: »

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

But the problem is it is broke, Late blight is rampant this year especially due to the climate we live in, farmers are having great difficulty controlling the disease along with the fact the end up applying upto 15 sprays a season to try and hold the infection off.
Also the potatoes used in this trial use genes from the potato family from a region in mexico which is rampant in the strains of blight
Blight has shown the ability to become more aggressive with new strains and also the ability to become resistant to fungicides (selection pressure) GM is going to be another tool in the arsenal against this disease. If the trials are not done how can we find out how the potato behaves in the environment?

girl2

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Evidence?

I am referring to the evidence that the consumption of artificial products in some people's diets are producing side effects that mimic strokes, multiple sclerosis and a multitude of other auto immune diseases.

Here are a couple of websites that can give some food for thought……

http://www.foodandhealing.com/articles/article-aspartame.htm

http://www.safe-food.org/-issue/dangers.html

http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/the-very-real-danger-of-genetically-modified-foods/251051/

Shenshen

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Rice has been GM for decades, probably hasn't bothered you though has it?

GM usually means less artificial stuff required to make them grow, so the post is a contradiction in itself.

Somnus

I posted a lot in the GM thread a few months ago, so might try and avoid this one as the arguements get too frustrating.

I'm glad to see this being implemented. I agree with GM foods and think that the development of the industry will be a good thing here.
The only problem with it in my eyes are legal matters, which is nothing to do with the science/safety of the food.
The more organisations growing GM the more it will create a competitive marketplace, hence solving the monopoly problem.

Oh and for the pro-GM posters using selective breeding as an argument, it's not really the same thing but I know what you're trying to put across.

Duggys Housemate

Those articles tend to be rubbish, or mix up GM food with additives.

The OP is going to be surprised that his sarcastic comment about abominations and God got such serious replies, after all he did go on to say he welcomed GM food. I suppose that some people stop reading at God and had to get their new Atheist reply in.

SocSocPol

Seaneh wrote: »

None of those are from additives, they are from GM dairy cows, GM chickens and so forth.
Those animals are feed with GM cereals which make them grow quicker/produce more and the end result is, dun dun dun, the stuff I listed.

Link to factual scientific evidence for this?

Somnus

girl2 wrote: »

I am referring to the evidence that the consumption of artificial products in some people's diets are producing side effects that mimic strokes, multiple sclerosis and a multitude of other auto immune diseases.

Here are a couple of websites that can give some food for thought……

http://www.foodandhealing.com/articles/article-aspartame.htm

http://www.safe-food.org/-issue/dangers.html

http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/the-very-real-danger-of-genetically-modified-foods/251051/

Ah the old Aspartame arguement. Pure bullsh*t
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame#Safety_and_approval_controversies

Anything is harmful in large enough doses, no one consumes near enough aspartame in their diet to have any effects at all.

The only article there worth reading is the last one. As it is actually backed up with a paper from Nature. Very interesting. But the miRNA could be harmful regardless of GM or not, as that article says it was just a normal rice crop, and also the genes being introduced to the plant may not code for miRNAs at all, so no problem there.

In fact you should read this article, in which the author states he contacted the editor of your third link and that it was corrected
http://biologyfiles.fieldofscience.com/2012/01/why-did-atlantic-publish-this-piece.html

Cú Giobach

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The OP is going to be surprised that his sarcastic comment about abominations and God got such serious replies, after all he did go on to say he welcomed GM food. I suppose that some people stop reading at God and had to get their new Atheist reply in.

Interesting that the only mention of god outside the OP was one person saying "God?" and you. (and now me of course).

--Kaiser--

girl2 wrote: »

I am referring to the evidence that the consumption of artificial products in some people's diets are producing side effects that mimic strokes, multiple sclerosis and a multitude of other auto immune diseases.

Here are a couple of websites that can give some food for thought……

http://www.foodandhealing.com/articles/article-aspartame.htm

http://www.safe-food.org/-issue/dangers.html

http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/the-very-real-danger-of-genetically-modified-foods/251051/

That aspartame study was debunked years ago Link

Thanks for the rest, I'll have a look

Duggys Housemate

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Interesting that the only mention of god outside the OP was one person saying "God?" and you. (and now me of course).

There were 3 who took the abdominations or God seriously.