Mazda 6 Timing Chain

geneyuss

kermitpwee wrote: »

You say that once is enough if ever to change a chain, how does that make sense by your logic? Say you change the chain at 150k as a precaution surely you must by your logic change the chain at 300k then?

Mechanics are specialists in their chosen field and not gombeen men. In fact mechanics often spend their time fixing cars that have design flaws that have been caused by so called engineers that haven't a clue how things work in the real world.

i dont know how you have determined that, read the thread, im not going to explain my position in every reply,

alot of mechanics are "gombeen" men also, as are engineers, but not all of us have just rolled out of college with a piece of paper saying we are engineers, some of us can make stuff, and make it well.

MetzgerMeister

OK, there's gombeens in every profession, let's leave it at that.

kermitpwee

geneyuss wrote: »

i dont know how you have determined that, read the thread, im not going to explain my position in every reply,

alot of mechanics are "gombeen" men also, as are engineers, but not all of us have just rolled out of college with a piece of paper saying we are engineers, some of us can make stuff, and make it well.

You said that once is enough if ever to change a chain. You said to the op that you would get the chain changed as a precaution. You have said that once if ever is enough to change a chain on a car. The car in question has 150k odd miles on it. You would change the chain as a precaution. Yet according to yourself the car would only need a change of chain once if ever. How have you come to this thinking? Surely if you change the chain at 150k by your thinking you would then change the chain at 300k? If you dont change the chain at 300k on what grounds did you change the chain at 150k?
And I have read all the thread so can we leave the assumptions on your part out of it and deal with the facts please.
P.s if you dont change the chain at 300k your thought process is not logical and is based on a hunch rather than any scientific or documetary evidence.

randy hickey

geneyuss wrote: »

yes , he cant make up his mind who to troll,,,spot on with your view on engineers, may they be mechanical or whatever, although, civil engineers are a thorn in my side

Woah there horsey!What,pray tell,is your problem with civil engineers?

geneyuss

kermitpwee wrote: »

You said that once is enough if ever to change a chain. You said to the op that you would get the chain changed as a precaution. You have said that once if ever is enough to change a chain on a car. The car in question has 150k odd miles on it. You would change the chain as a precaution. Yet according to yourself the car would only need a change of chain once if ever. How have you come to this thinking? Surely if you change the chain at 150k by your thinking you would then change the chain at 300k? If you dont change the chain at 300k on what grounds did you change the chain at 150k?
And I have read all the thread so can we leave the assumptions on your part out of it and deal with the facts please.
P.s if you dont change the chain at 300k your thought process is not logical and is based on a hunch rather than any scientific or documetary evidence.

if i didnt know the history of the car id change the chain, IF YOU READ THE THREAD that has been made clear, by me, on numerous occasions.

If i had the car from then onwards, i know it would have been looked after, (by me) so probably no need to change it at 300k, but it wouldn't be unheard of,,,,my advice for you, think less of the "logical" bullshyte there spock and concentrate more on what ive actually said if your gunna have a rant.

ps,,,,if you have any scientific or documentary information on when or if a Mazda 6 timing chain should be changed, ,,,,post it!!! it would answer the op's question :D hell, i bet you even know where the higgs boson is ??

Nissan doctor

geneyuss wrote: »

The only arrogance ive seen here all week on this thread is coming from you sir,

I said ignorance, not arrogance.


I very much doubt you would have been involved in any training I ever received. Your comments on several things in this thread, not least of which, your comments on vehicle diagnostics, show that you have never been involved in any vehicle technician studies or training.

geneyuss

Nissan doctor wrote: »

I said ignorance, not arrogance.


I very much doubt you would have been involved in any training I ever recieved.

id doubt so either, for two simple reasons i couldn't work, or train with a know all,nobody likes them :P
secondly, after the training i received , ive learned intelligence is better than education.

if somebody made a thread saying a black bus went down the road you'd say it was blue

kermitpwee

geneyuss wrote: »

if i didnt know the history of the car id change the chain, IF YOU READ THE THREAD that has been made clear, by me, on numerous occasions.

If i had the car from then onwards, i know it would have been looked after, (by me) so probably no need to change it at 300k, but it wouldn't be unheard of,,,,my advice for you, think less of the "logical" bullshyte there spock and concentrate more on what ive actually said if your gunna have a rant.

ps,,,,if you have any scientific or documentary information on when or if a Mazda 6 timing chain should be changed, ,,,,post it!!! it would answer the op's question :D hell, i bet you even know where the higgs boson is ??

First I am not having a rant. I have read the thread and you brought in your service history argument as an after thought when you were challenged on your statements. Later you then say that the chain should be changed depending on the mileage. So maybe you should concentrate on what you are actually saying.
I approach matters in a logical fashion so dont call me spock and dont tell me to forget about ' "logical" bullshyte' as you put it.
I have read what you have said and will take logic over what you are saying as you are not consistent and are ill informed. Why would I listen to what you have said when you and I both know that you are wrong.
You made a mistake in saying that the chain would need replacing, you are not mature enough to admit it even though you know you are wrong. That is why the this thread has lasted so long.
Everybody makes mistakes its no big deal, why can you not face up to it?
I am sure you have a good knowledge of cars and mechanics and are an excellent Engineer but this time you are wrong. Perhaps you know that it doesn't make sense to change the chain but you said it by accident and now you are sticking with it come hell or high water.
It is very sad to see a new poster such as yourself who has so much to give to boards.ie sticking by your statements even though we and you know that you are wrong.
There is no doubt in my mind that you know you are wrong, its okay to be wrong. Dont worry about it, admit it and move on.
Nice talking to you I hope you can see the error of your ways and move on and enjoy the motoring forum.
Dont tell me that you are correct as I will know that you are lying and I will not consider the other option that you dont actaully know that you are wrong, as to do so would do you a injustice that your posting does not deserve.

geneyuss

kermitpwee wrote: »

First I am not having a rant. I have read the thread and you brought in your service history argument as an after thought when you were challenged on your statements. Later you then say that the chain should be changed depending on the mileage. So maybe you should concentrate on what you are actually saying.
I approach matters in a logical fashion so dont call me spock and dont tell me to forget about ' "logical" bullshyte' as you put it.
I have read what you have said and will take logic over what you are saying as you are not consistent and are ill informed. Why would I listen to what you have said when you and I both know that you are wrong.
You made a mistake in saying that the chain would need replacing, you are not mature enough to admit it even though you know you are wrong. That is why the this thread has lasted so long.
Everybody makes mistakes its no big deal, why can you not face up to it?
I am sure you have a good knowledge of cars and mechanics and are an excellent Engineer but this time you are wrong. Perhaps you know that it doesn't make sense to change the chain but you said it by accident and now you are sticking with it come hell or high water.
It is very sad to see a new poster such as yourself who has so much to give to boards.ie sticking by your statements even though we and you know that you are wrong.
There is no doubt in my mind that you know you are wrong, its okay to be wrong. Dont worry about it, admit it and move on.
Nice talking to you I hope you can see the error of your ways and move on and enjoy the motoring forum.
Dont tell me that you are correct as I will know that you are lying and I will not consider the other option that you dont actaully know that you are wrong, as to do so would do you a injustice that your posting does not deserve.

I read as far as this, once i saw the word logical again,,,i just couldn't be assed,, reply to the thread,,,not to me

Nissan doctor

geneyuss wrote: »

id doubt so either, for two simple reasons i couldn't work, or train with a know all,nobody likes them :P
secondly, after the training i received , ive learned intelligence is better than education.

if somebody made a thread saying a black bus went down the road you'd say it was blue

Only if it was actually blue, as is the case with this thread(metamorphically)

DublinDilbert

geneyuss wrote: »

id doubt so either, for two simple reasons i couldn't work, or train with a know all,nobody likes them :P
secondly, after the training i received , ive learned intelligence is better than education.

if somebody made a thread saying a black bus went down the road you'd say it was blue

I would genuinely hope your not involved in education of any kind. Your attitude is terrible. Oh and I am an engineer and involved in education.

kermitpwee

geneyuss wrote: »

id doubt so either, for two simple reasons i couldn't work, or train with a know all,nobody likes them :P
secondly, after the training i received , ive learned intelligence is better than education.

if somebody made a thread saying a black bus went down the road you'd say it was blue

I must disagree with your above statement and I am astonished by it. Intelligence is in no way better than education. Remember that old quote

Genuis without education is like silver in the mine.
It is so true. I know many people that had very little formal education but educated themselves in the field or job they pursued, intelligence is not a substitute for education be it formal or on the job learning.
As a very well educated person myself I am astounded by the level of ignorance you have displayed above. I am really questioning whether you are a troll or not?

kermitpwee

geneyuss wrote: »

I read as far as this, once i saw the word logical again,,,i just couldn't be assed,, reply to the thread,,,not to me

Thats fine. People display the white flag in different ways. Thank you, confirmation that you are a troll and also that you have been defeated.

kermitpwee

geneyuss wrote: »

I read as far as this, once i saw the word logical again,,,i just couldn't be assed,, reply to the thread,,,not to me

Reply to the thread? Are you serious? You are the guy that was calling me spock

geneyuss

DublinDilbert wrote: »

I would genuinely hope your not involved in education of any kind. Your attitude is terrible. Oh and I am an engineer and involved in education.

well you obviously read the thread then, i sincerely hope your not in engineering, from reading this thread it's your kind that's giving us a bad name,,btw, 90% of engineers are involved in education in some form or another,


again,,for all you supposedly educated people,,reply to the thread, not to me. especially you Dilbert, as your only input in this thread is to have a go at me, "attitude"? dont make me laugh !:rolleyes: If you are that sensitive to words on a screen i wonder how are you able to leave the house in the mornings to educate and engineer.

kermitpwee

geneyuss wrote: »

again,,for all you supposedly educated people,,reply to the thread, not to me.

What about calling me spock? You were replying to the thread were you? How about you reply to the thread;)

geneyuss

kermitpwee wrote: »

I must disagree with your above statement and I am astonished by it. Intelligence is in no way better than education. Remember that old quote

Genuis without education is like silver in the mine.
It is so true. I know many people that had very little formal education but educated themselves in the field or job they pursued, intelligence is not a substitute for education be it formal or on the job learning.
As a very well educated person myself I am astounded by the level of ignorance you have displayed above. I am really questioning whether you are a troll or not?

another person that doesn't read the post :rolleyes:,,Now that is the height of ignorance, i said its better, not a substitute, you may be well educated, not everything can be learned from books,
i have a relative who has a very senior position in the Dept of Education, yet when he gets a puncture he has to call his sixty year old father to change his wheel (he is 34/35)
so to be "very well educated" means very little to us that learn our trade on the job, not looking at pictures

Divorce Referendum

kermitpwee wrote: »

What about calling me spock? You were replying to the thread were you? How about you reply to the thread;)

And having a go at civil engineers, and nissan doctor and mechanics and......:rolleyes:

geneyuss

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

And having a go at civil engineers, and nissan doctor and mechanics and......:rolleyes:

just for starters,,,where exactly???

I'll get to the rest in due course

DublinDilbert

geneyuss wrote: »

well you obviously read the thread then, i sincerely hope your not in engineering, from reading this thread it's your kind that's giving us a bad name,,btw, 90% of engineers are involved in education in some form or another,


again,,for all you supposedly educated people,,reply to the thread, not to me. especially you Dilbert, as your only input in this thread is to have a go at me, "attitude"? dont make me laugh !:rolleyes: If you are that sensitive to words on a screen i wonder how are you able to leave the house in the mornings to educate and engineer.

Your post actually just made me laugh...

Divorce Referendum

geneyuss wrote: »

yes , he cant make up his mind who to troll,,,spot on with your view on engineers, may they be mechanical or whatever, although, civil engineers are a thorn in my side

There ya go. Forgetting what you are saying already?

geneyuss wrote: »

just for starters,,,where exactly???

I'll get to the rest in due course

geneyuss

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

There ya go. Forgetting what you are saying already?

oh my,,, do you call that " having a go"??
jeez the men of this country are turning into a bigger shower of pansies with every generation that passes,

kermitpwee

geneyuss wrote: »

another person that doesn't read the post :rolleyes:,,Now that is the height of ignorance, i said its better, not a substitute, you may be well educated, not everything can be learned from books,
i have a relative who has a very senior position in the Dept of Education, yet when he gets a puncture he has to call his sixty year old father to change his wheel (he is 34/35)
so to be "very well educated" means very little to us that learn our trade on the job, not looking at pictures

I never said that you said substitute, if you look at my post at the start I said that in no way is intelligence better than education. I then later added that it is no substitute. At no point did I say that you said substitute. As for your very well educated comment, you are the one that introduced that you are an Engineer not I so dont come back with your learning from the trade. You are the guy that told us that Engineers know more than mechanics or can you actually remember what you have said in this thread.
My comment on the fact that I am very well educated was reference to my astonishment of the level of ignorance displayed by you an educated person. Education generally should bring about not only theoretical knowledge but an enlightenment in thinking that helps to disband the stereotypical views that you have so strongly shown to hold in this thread. This is why I am amazed that you are an Engineer.

You dont need to talk to me about pictures, i have a strong mechanical knowledge learned from theory and making mistakes while trying to fit t belts on my cars and various other issues.
You started by telling us that as you were Engineer and that is why you know more then the mechanics, now when it suits you, you are telling us that you learned it from the trade and not pictures. Which is it? You are all over the place, You are not only lying to us you are believing your own lies for gods sake.

Divorce Referendum

geneyuss wrote: »

oh my,,, do you call that " having a go"??
jeez the men of this country are turning into a bigger shower of pansies with every generation that passes,

Whatever having a go or not talking about the thread is what I meant i dont really care. You are the one that brought it up and there you go again contradicting yourself.

geneyuss

kermitpwee wrote: »

I never said that you said substitute, if you look at my post at the start I said that in no way is intelligence better than education. I then later added that it is no substitute. At no point did I say that you said substitute. As for your very well educated comment, you are the one that introduced that you are an Engineer not I so dont come back with your learning from the trade. You are the guy that told us that Engineers know more than mechanics or can you actually remember what you have said in this thread.
My comment on the fact that I am very well educated was reference to my astonishment of the level of ignorance displayed by you an educated person. Education generally should bring about not only theoretical knowledge but an enlightenment in thinking that helps to disband the stereotypical views that you have so strongly shown to hold in this thread. This is why I am amazed that you are an Engineer.

You dont need to talk to me about pictures, i have a strong mechanical knowledge learned from theory and making mistakes while trying to fit t belts on my cars and various other issues.
You started by telling us that as you were Engineer and that is why you know more then the mechanics, now when it suits you, you are telling us that you learned it from the trade and not pictures. Which is it? You are all over the place, You are not only lying to us you are believing your own lies for gods sake.

you've misquoted me so many times here i just couldn't be bothered at this late stage to start hen picking, but that one will do for me tonight, if you're brilliant education has brought you to the stage of calling people ignorant and liars (and what not) me especially on a number of occasions, well it's true whats said about the Irish education system. third world !

You dont know who i am, what i do or anything else for that matter, ignorance is bliss i guess .

Our man in Havana

And that's enough folks!