Carl Frampton v Kiko Martinez, EBU title @ Odyssey Arena, Belfast. Sept 22. SKY Sport

slapbangwallop

Carl Frampton vs Kiko Martinez to fight in Belfast on September 22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx9pPmG6K_s&feature=channel&list=UL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx9pPmG6K_s

el flaco

I see McCloskey is on the bill too. I thought he would probably pack it in after the Corley fight.

MD1990

el flaco wrote: »

I see McCloskey is on the bill too. I thought he would probably pack it in after the Corley fight.

don't like McCloskey thinks he is a lot better than he is

risteard7

hope martinez beats him just to shut barry mcguigan up

slapbangwallop

Pat Magee talks at Dougie Curran and Kiko Martinez fight ahead of Carl Frampton (inc weigh in)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZctBiSzygL4&feature=channel&list=UL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZctBiSzygL4

Syferus

risteard7 wrote: »

hope martinez beats him just to shut barry mcguigan up

So we're at the stage where we're begrudging our own fighters before they've even hit their peak, eh? Pathetic.

djhaxman

Syferus wrote: »

So we're at the stage where we're begrudging our own fighters before they've even hit their peak, eh? Pathetic.

Totally agree.

Underground

What's wrong with McGuigan? Comes across quite honest and likeable imo.

slapbangwallop

risteard7 wrote: »

hope martinez beats him just to shut barry mcguigan up

Wouldnt be the biggest fans of Barrys slabbering about Carl either but thats some seriously poor form there. :cool:

risteard7

Syferus wrote: »

So we're at the stage where we're begrudging our own fighters before they've even hit their peak, eh? Pathetic.

Our fighters? hes british
Carl frampton was born in northern ireland which last time i checked was in great britain.

carl is a protestant from a loyalist area. if you want to be deluded and think carl is representing the tri_colour fair enough
now i know this is a boxing forum and dont want to bring politics into it but i am merely stating facts and they are facts.

megadodge

risteard7 wrote: »

Our fighters? hes british
Carl frampton was born in northern ireland which last time i checked was in great britain.

carl is a protestant from a loyalist area. if you want to be deluded and think carl is representing the tri_colour fair enough
now i know this is a boxing forum and dont want to bring politics into it but i am merely stating facts and they are facts.

Since you did bring it up - what country did Carl box for as an amateur?

themandan6611

risteard7 wrote: »

Our fighters? hes british
Carl frampton was born in northern ireland which last time i checked was in great britain.

carl is a protestant from a loyalist area. if you want to be deluded and think carl is representing the tri_colour fair enough
now i know this is a boxing forum and dont want to bring politics into it but i am merely stating facts and they are facts.

pal, would you please stop trying to raise it up, McGuigan is a decent skin, he obviously thinks big of this kid, everyone will be looking forward to the fight and nobody needs someone like you come on and start stirring it.... good nite kid

Syferus

risteard7 wrote: »

Our fighters? hes british
Carl frampton was born in northern ireland which last time i checked was in great britain.

carl is a protestant from a loyalist area. if you want to be deluded and think carl is representing the tri_colour fair enough
now i know this is a boxing forum and dont want to bring politics into it but i am merely stating facts and they are facts.

Didn't seem to have a problem representing the tri-colour when he was winning silver for Ireland at the EU championships in 2007. Maybe he was trying to contain his loyalist rage the whole time, though.

You're just digging the hole deeper for yourself by trying to make it into a loyalist/nationalist issue. Both sides are Irish and he most certainly is Irish. I couldn't care a jot what area of the country or what his or his family's politics are. Simply put, your attitude is a stone age mentality that's mired somewhere in 1981.

Join us in the year 2012, won't you?

gene_tunney

risteard7 wrote: »

Our fighters? hes british
Carl frampton was born in northern ireland which last time i checked was in great britain.

carl is a protestant from a loyalist area. if you want to be deluded and think carl is representing the tri_colour fair enough
now i know this is a boxing forum and dont want to bring politics into it but i am merely stating facts and they are facts.

Disturbing, deluded post.

Spazdarn

Lads it's a boxing forum not an Irish lovefest. There's nothing wrong with him wanting a boxer to get beat one way or another, him being Irish shouldn't matter a ****, he's only just now about to step up his competition and McGuigan has been ****eing on about him like he's the next messiah, long before said praise was due.

The other by products of this discussion are pointless.

Underground

Even if he is Protestant or from a Loyalist area, so what?

He was born on the island of Ireland; that to me, makes him Irish regardless of religious or political views.

Don't see why people bother distinguishing between the north and the south, we're a tiny little island at the end of the day.

Syferus

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Lads it's a boxing forum not an Irish lovefest. There's nothing wrong with him wanting a boxer to get beat one way or another, him being Irish shouldn't matter a ****, he's only just now about to step up his competition and McGuigan has been ****eing on about him like he's the next messiah, long before said praise was due.

The other by products of this discussion are pointless.

Hoping any fighter gets beat, let alone one from your own country, just because their manager rubbed you up the wrong way in praising their fighter isn't a valid contribution to a discussion.

Spazdarn

Syferus wrote: »

Hoping any fighter gets beat, let alone one from your own country, just because their manager rubbed you up the wrong way in praising their fighter isn't a valid contribution to a discussion.

I don't see how you deem it your job to determine what is valid and what is not... people have disliked boxers for far less.

megadodge

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Lads it's a boxing forum not an Irish lovefest. There's nothing wrong with him wanting a boxer to get beat one way or another, him being Irish shouldn't matter a ****, he's only just now about to step up his competition and McGuigan has been ****eing on about him like he's the next messiah, long before said praise was due.

The other by products of this discussion are pointless.

You're completely missing the point.

He brought politics, religion and bigotry into a boxing forum. He never mentioned anything about liking or disliking Frampton.

As for Barry promoting his abilities - well that's his job! He's his manager ffs!!!

barney4001

This is a boxing forum what dos it matter what Framptons religion is ,Barry has been singing Framptons abilities since he turned pro and so far he has done very well for himself,just lets hope he can go the whole way to a world title Barry gave the boxing fans in ireland many great nights so get behind Frampton and cheer him to hopefully world domination,this religious crap has no place on a sports board

barney4001

came across this verse just take it as it is a wind up to the foolishness of bigotory

The Arab Orange Order

A loyal band of Orangemen from Ulster 's lovely land,
They could not march upon the Twelfth – processions were all banned,
So off they flew till the Middle East this dreadful law till dodge
And they founded in Jerusalem the Arab Orange Lodge.

Big Ali Bei who charmed the snakes – he was the first recruit,
John James McKeague frae Portglenone taught him till play the flute,
And as the oul' Pied Piper once was followed by the rats,
There followed Ali till the lodge, ten snakes in bowler hats.

They made a marital picture as they marched along the shore,
It stirred the blood when Ali played 'The fez my father wore',
And Yussef Ben Mohammed hit the Lambeg such a bash,
It scared the livin daylights frae a camel in a sash.

Now the movement spread both far and wide – there were lodges by the score,
The 'Jerusalem Purple Heroes was the first of many more,
The 'Loyal Sons of Jeddah' and 'The Mecca Purple Star',
And 'The Rising Sons of Jericho' who came by motor car.

The banners too were wonderful and some would make you smile,
King Billy on his camel as he splashed across the Nile
But the 'Tyre and Sidon Temperance' had the best one of them all,
For they had a lovely picture of Damascus Orange Hall!

The Apprentice Boys of Amman marched beneath the blazing sun,
The Royal Black Perceptory were negroes every one,
And the lodges came from Egypt , and the Abu Simbel Falls
And they shouted 'No Surrender' and ‘We'll guard old Cairo's walls'!

But when the ban was lifted and the lodges marched at last,
The Arabs all decided for till march right through Belfast
And they caused a lot of trouble before they got afloat,
For they could not get the camels to board the Heysham boat!

Now camels blocked up Liverpool and camels blocked Stranraer,
And the Sheik of Kuwait came along in his great big motor car,
But 'The Eastern Magic' L.O.L., they worked a crafty move,
They got on their magic carpets and flew in till Aldergrove.

When they came till Castle Junction – where once stood the wee kiosk,
They dug up Royal Avenue to build an Arab mosque,
And McGuinness says till Gerry Adams - 'I think it's time till go,
For there's half a million camels coming down frae Sandy Row!'

The speeches at the field that day were really something new
For some were made in Arabic and some were in Hebrew,
But just as Colonel Gadaffi had got up till sing 'The Queen',
I woke up in my bed at home and found it was a dream.

celtictiger32

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Lads it's a boxing forum not an Irish lovefest. There's nothing wrong with him wanting a boxer to get beat one way or another, him being Irish shouldn't matter a ****, he's only just now about to step up his competition and McGuigan has been ****eing on about him like he's the next messiah, long before said praise was due.

The other by products of this discussion are pointless.

thats typical of the attitude in this country we cant seem to get behind our own
sports persons, as far as im concerned ireland is one of the greatest boxing nations in the world when you look at the size and population etc. what inspiration does it give to any irish sports man or woman when they have a******es like you to look for support from. carl frampton has been representing ireland for years and i think hes a class act and hope he gets cheered on by all irish boxing fans

Spazdarn

celtictiger32 wrote: »

thats typical of the attitude in this country we cant seem to get behind our own
sports persons, as far as im concerned ireland is one of the greatest boxing nations in the world when you look at the size and population etc. what inspiration does it give to any irish sports man or woman when they have a******es like you to look for support from. carl frampton has been representing ireland for years and i think hes a class act and hope he gets cheered on by all irish boxing fans

Firstly less of the name calling... there's no place for it.

It's complete crap to insinuate we have to blindly support or get behind out own just because they were born in Ireland. I'm all for getting behind a young up and coming Irish talent, but it's bull**** to give out stink just because someone else doesn't have the same blind patriotism as you do.

He has every right not to like McGuigan or Frampton, and shouldn't have to justify his reasoning to you.

megadodge wrote: »

You're completely missing the point.

He brought politics, religion and bigotry into a boxing forum. He never mentioned anything about liking or disliking Frampton.

As for Barry promoting his abilities - well that's his job! He's his manager ffs!!!

I addressed this in my previous post by saying the other by products (Religion etc.) were pointless.

megadodge

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Firstly less of the name calling... there's no place for it.

It's complete crap to insinuate we have to blindly support or get behind out own just because they were born in Ireland. I'm all for getting behind a young up and coming Irish talent, but it's bull**** to give out stink just because someone else doesn't have the same blind patriotism as you do.

He has every right not to like McGuigan or Frampton, and shouldn't have to justify his reasoning to you.


I addressed this in my previous post by saying the other by products (Religion etc.) were pointless.

You're right to say he has every right to like or dislike someone, the only problem here is we don't know whether he likes or dislikes Carl Frampton, because he never said so, he just spouted the other "pointless" tripe and that's what has pissed people off.

I would have thought that was very obvious.

barney4001

A couple of years ago Ireland was awash with would be world champions according to the press only one delivered Brendan Dunne maybe Brian Magee not sure if he did win the title but him and Frampton are our best hopes to do so for now but Frampton and Magee are our best hopes on the horizon no matter what foot they kick with keepreligion and politics out of it

gene_tunney

barney4001 wrote: »

A couple of years ago Ireland was awash with would be world champions according to the press only one delivered Brendan Dunne maybe Brian Magee not sure if he did win the title but him and Frampton are our best hopes to do so for now but Frampton and Magee are our best hopes on the horizon no matter what foot they kick with keepreligion and politics out of it

Andy Lee is worthy of a version of the MW world title. He is certainly as good as Sylvester/Sturm who used to hold the MW belts

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Andy Lee is worthy of a version of the MW world title. He is certainly as good as Sylvester/Sturm who used to hold the MW belts

That really tells one the state of the division if Lee is worthy of a world title. Hate to be harsh, but what else can one say? I could really dig deep and try and justify this claim you made, but I can't. Oh, and before any sensitive folks jump in, this is not personal. Lee comes across as a real decent lad. Just not at all what I would consider a quality pro. And getting brutalised in a few rds against Chavez tells me that he's not at all worthy. Although, as you say, there are versions.

BTW, Sturm is one of history's most average champions.

risteard7

megadodge wrote: »

You're completely missing the point.

He brought politics, religion and bigotry into a boxing forum. He never mentioned anything about liking or disliking Frampton.

As for Barry promoting his abilities - well that's his job! He's his manager ffs!!!

All i said was i didnt like mc guigan and hoped frampton would lose.
am i not entitled to say that? then everybody jumps down my neck because
im not supporting an "irish" boxer.

Im a boxing fan in general, ill give my opinions on boxers,promoters and
managers regardless where there from. i dont have to be narrow minded
just because there"irish"

Syferus

risteard7 wrote: »

All i said was i didnt like mc guigan and hoped frampton would lose.
am i not entitled to say that? then everybody jumps down my neck because
im not supporting an "irish" boxer.

Im a boxing fan in general, ill give my opinions on boxers,promoters and
managers regardless where there from. i dont have to be narrow minded
just because there"irish"

Oh, you said a hell of alot more than that. Own up to your BS or don't respond, but don't piss on us and say it's a summer shower.

Spazdarn

megadodge wrote: »

You're right to say he has every right to like or dislike someone, the only problem here is we don't know whether he likes or dislikes Carl Frampton, because he never said so, he just spouted the other "pointless" tripe and that's what has pissed people off.

I would have thought that was very obvious.

My original post was in answer to people saying it was "bad form" to not support one of our own.

I kept my point as far away from the religion aspect as possible.

megadodge

risteard7 wrote: »

All i said was i didnt like mc guigan and hoped frampton would lose.
am i not entitled to say that? then everybody jumps down my neck because
im not supporting an "irish" boxer.

Im a boxing fan in general, ill give my opinions on boxers,promoters and
managers regardless where there from. i dont have to be narrow minded
just because there"irish"

That would be fine if it actually was "all you said".
Remarkable how you seem to forget the following post

Our fighters? hes british
Carl frampton was born in northern ireland which last time i checked was in great britain.

carl is a protestant from a loyalist area. if you want to be deluded and think carl is representing the tri_colour fair enough
now i know this is a boxing forum and dont want to bring politics into it but i am merely stating facts and they are facts.

That's what people are jumping down your neck over.
Stop trying to bullsh!t your way out of it.

walshb

My 2 cents on it? Yes, Carl boxed for Ireland, but so did many men from the North who would consider themselves British. Ireland's amateur boxers is an all island team. Make no mistake, loyalists living in the North don't see themselves as Irish. And, that's their business. Carl? I don't know what he sees himself as. I didn't know his religion until now. But, if he is protestant AND loyalist, I wouldn't at all think that he sees himself as Irish.

celtictiger32

if a boxer is protestant/loyalist/unionist or whatever would they not be more inclined to fight for gb instead?

walshb

celtictiger32 wrote: »

if a boxer is protestant/loyalist/unionist or whatever would they not be more inclined to fight for gb instead?

Amateur?

I am not sure if they can declare for Britain. If affiliated to the IABA (All island of Ireland) then maybe they need to register with the ABA and become affiliated with them before they are eligible to compete for Britain. Living in the North I would assume clears them as regards residency.

As it stands Frampton represents the United Kingdom. He was born in the North of Ireland which is recognised as British on an international level. I would also take it that he sees himself as British.

Other people born in the North who see themselves as Irish, for example, Duddy, are "representing" Ireland.

celtictiger32

walshb wrote: »

Amateur?

I am not sure if they can declare for Britain. If affiliated to the IABA (All island of Ireland) then maybe they need to register with the ABA and become affiliated with them before they are eligible to compete for Britain. Living in the North I would assume clears them as regards residency.

As it stands Frampton represent the United Kingdom. He was born in the North or Ireland which is recognised as British on an international level. I would also take it that he sees himself as British.

yes amateur

im assuming similar to the football they have a right to declare for either association, it just seems to make more sense if they consider themselves why not box for britain if they consider themselves irish box for ireland

walshb

celtictiger32 wrote: »

yes amateur

im assuming similar to the football they have a right to declare for either association, it just seems to make more sense if they consider themselves why not box for britain if they consider themselves irish box for ireland

Yes, but I guess most may not be too bothered with representing Ireland instead of Britain even though they consider themselves British. If they really felt something I guess they would resist boxing for Ireland.

I was reading a lot about the Olympics and how many many Irish athletes had to represent Britain pre 1924. They didn't like it one single bit. We have had some great great athletes that the record books record as British winners.

risteard7

bullsh1t my way out of what? everything i said is true. The man is british what part of that do you not understand?? the FACTS are

He was born in britain

Holds a british passport

British and commonwealth champion

Grew up in a loyalist area

protestant religion

If you want to support frampton thats fine but dont go on as if hes an irish fighter fighting under the tri-colour. if hes in a world title fight will they carry an irish flag to the ring NO.

Im leaving it at that

celtictiger32

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but I guess most may not be too bothered with representing Ireland instead of Britain even though they consider themselves British. If they really felt something I guess they would resist boxing for Ireland.

I was reading a lot about the Olympics and how many many Irish athletes had to represent Britain pre 1924. They didn't like it one single bit. We have had some great great athletes that the record books record as British winners.

its amazing the amount of our winners that they lay claim to aswell. i suppose its not an uncommon thing for them a lot of their best sport people arent even british

walshb

risteard7 wrote: »

bullsh1t my way out of what? everything i said is true. The man is british what part of that do you not understand?? the FACTS are

He was born in britain

Holds a british passport

British and commonwealth champion

Grew up in a loyalist area

protestant religion

If you want to support frampton thats fine but dont go on as if hes an irish fighter fighting under the tri-colour. if hes in a world title fight will they carry an irish flag to the ring NO.

Im leaving it at that

All you say is true. Maybe the harshness of it is what folks find annoying.

celtictiger32

walshb wrote: »

All you say is true. Maybe the harshness of it is what folks find annoying.

especially from someone with an irish username;)

risteard7

walshb wrote: »

All you say is true. Maybe the harshness of it is what folks find annoying.

Truth hurts sometimes.

i just find it frustrating when someone from the north does well, we all
want to jump on the bandwagon. Rory mcilroy and mcdowell another example
runnin up there arses when they couldnt give a toss about the republic..

walshb

risteard7 wrote: »

Truth hurts sometimes.

i just find it frustrating when someone from the north does well, we all
want to jump on the bandwagon. Rory mcilroy and mcdowell another example
runnin up there arses when they couldnt give a toss about the republic..

Rory is half and half as far as I know. His mother is catholic and his father is protestant. Now, that is not to say that his mam or dad consider themselves Irish or British. I don't know this. If an athlete in the North considers themselves British then I personally wouldn't be too concerned with supporting them or claiming them. That is not to say I would not support them. If an athlete in the North considers themselves as Irish I would get behind them that bit more. That is just human nature.

celtictiger32

risteard7 wrote: »

Truth hurts sometimes.

i just find it frustrating when someone from the north does well, we all
want to jump on the bandwagon. Rory mcilroy and mcdowell another example
runnin up there arses when they couldnt give a toss about the republic..

rory mcilroy keeps his declarations private but ive seen graeme mc dowell hoisting the tri colour on many occasions

Syferus

walshb wrote: »

My 2 cents on it? Yes, Carl boxed for Ireland, but so did many men from the North who would consider themselves British. Ireland's amateur boxers is an all island team. Make no mistake, loyalists living in the North don't see themselves as Irish. And, that's their business. Carl? I don't know what he sees himself as. I didn't know his religion until now. But, if he is protestant AND loyalist, I wouldn't at all think that he sees himself as Irish.

On a quick tangent: you can feel British as well as Irish and the vast majority of Protestants in the North consider themselves Irish, albeit in a different way to republicans. Same as English people, Welsh people and Scottish people who consider themselves British, it's very rarely as simple as considering themselves British alone.

'Irish' doesn't stop or end with republicans or people born in the Republic of Ireland.

In Carl's case he's talked about boxing with both Protestants and Catholics and having plenty of friends in both communities. He also talked about an 'All-Ireland' fight with Willie Casey so clearly he's not exactly running away from 'Ireland' (the island) as an identity. He comes across as pretty apolitical, his idol growing up was Wayne McCullough who of course made a point of not playing anthems before his fights and generally brought both sides together.

I think we all can agree that is a better way to be that what's went before.

Bodhisopha

risteard7 wrote: »

Truth hurts sometimes.

i just find it frustrating when someone from the north does well, we all
want to jump on the bandwagon. Rory mcilroy and mcdowell another example
runnin up there arses when they couldnt give a toss about the republic..

I've seen Frampton posting on the Irish forum over on eastside so if he doesn't give a toss about the republic he certainly does give a toss about Irish boxing. It's not something he's been trying to disassociate himself from.

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

'Irish' doesn't stop or end with republicans or people born in the Republic of Ireland.

.

I agree fully.

But generally I would think that loyalists would consider themselves to be British.

There is a difference between being protestant/protestant-loyalist.

Syferus

walshb wrote: »

I agree fully.

But generally I would think that loyalists would consider themselves to be British.

There is a difference between being protestant/protestant-loyalist.

What I said was meant to apply to both - what exactly do loyalists have and want to pledge to the Crown? Ireland.

Now I'm sure there's some out there that consider themselves British and not anything else but they are a very small minority - there would be far less use of the Northern Ireland flag (the Ulster Banner in common parlance), which is a mixture of Irish symbolism and St. Georges' Cross, otherwise. Most Loyalists even when using the Union Jack also put out an Ulster flag, which is nothing if not a statement of Irishness.

Big Ears

risteard7 wrote: »

bullsh1t my way out of what? everything i said is true. The man is british what part of that do you not understand?? the FACTS are

He was born in britain

Holds a british passport

British and commonwealth champion

Grew up in a loyalist area

protestant religion

If you want to support frampton thats fine but dont go on as if hes an irish fighter fighting under the tri-colour. if hes in a world title fight will they carry an irish flag to the ring NO.

Im leaving it at that

He was born in Belfast which is outside Britain, although is within the United Kingdom (under the Northern Ireland part of 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

People born in Northern Ireland are entitled to either Irish citizenship, British citizenship, or dual citizenship of Irish and British, so lets not work under the false pretence than everyone born in the North is British.

Holds a British passport ?, have you seen him state this ?, I mean sure he probably does, but I think the fact he hasn't come out and announced his Britishness is an indication Carl would like to remain apolitical.

grey up in a loyalist area ?- so did Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Protestant religion- same as Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Carl is not the British champion, that's Scott Quigg. Carl holds the Commonwealth title, and Northern Ireland is part of the Commonwealth, which was finely illustrated at the last Commonwealth games as Northern Irish boxers topped the medal table.

Amateur boxing in Ireland is like rugby and run on an all-Ireland basis. There is the same mentality in terms of supporting Ireland, and this carries on with these fighters as they turn pro. Frampton considers himself an Irish fighter, he's proud to represent the island of Ireland, just like Andrew Trimble or Stephen Ferris or any rugby player from the north. Of course to some people you can't be Irish if you won't go waving the tri-colour all over the place, shout your desire for a United Ireland, dismiss any link to Britain you may have, route for the opponent of the English football team, support Celtic, and declare the queen as the anti-christ.

Being Irish and British are not mutually exclusive, some of you may not like that, deal with it......Carl certainly can.

Syferus

Big Ears wrote: »

He was born in Belfast which is outside Britain, although is within the United Kingdom (under the Northern Ireland part of 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

People born in Northern Ireland are entitled to either Irish citizenship, British citizenship, or dual citizenship of Irish and British, so lets not work under the false pretence than everyone born in the North is British.

Holds a British passport ?, have you seen him state this ?, I mean sure he probably does, but I think the fact he hasn't come out and announced his Britishness is an indication Carl would like to remain apolitical.

grey up in a loyalist area ?- so did Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Protestant religion- same as Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Carl is not the British champion, that's Scott Quigg. Carl holds the Commonwealth title, and Northern Ireland is part of the Commonwealth, which was finely illustrated at the last Commonwealth games as Northern Irish boxers topped the medal table.

Amateur boxing in Ireland is like rugby and run on an all-Ireland basis. There is the same mentality in terms of supporting Ireland, and this carries on with these fighters as they turn pro. Frampton considers himself an Irish fighter, he's proud to represent the island of Ireland, just like Andrew Trimble or Stephen Ferris or any rugby player from the north. Of course to some people you can't be Irish if you won't go waving the tri-colour all over the place, shout your desire for a United Ireland, dismiss any link to Britain you may have, route for the opponent of the English football team, support Celtic, and declare the queen as the anti-racist.

Being Irish and British are not mutually exclusive, some of you may not like that, deal with it......Carl certainly can.

Feck, I was ok with this Queen one until I heard she was against racism!

Big Ears

Syferus wrote: »

Feck, I was ok with this Queen one until I heard she was against racism!

Haha, that's my firefox dictionary playing tricks on me.
I'd say if she was anti-racist she'd have awful arguments with her husband

barney4001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWpD6v1hB0U&feature=relmfu


nuff said