The Vampire Diaries - Season 4 [US] *Spoilers*

Richard Dower

Season 4 baddies cast: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Vampire-Diaries-Connor-1049848.aspx

Mr Freeze

The OH flipping loves this show, I have to suffer through it, as it has really gone downhill (imho). Season 1 was good.

But whats with the air dates? Never seen a show to take so many breaks.
Season 3 started on September 15, 2011, and due to about 4 breaks didn't finish till May this year.

JP Liz V1

The Secret Circle star Phoebe Tonkin has joined the cast of The Vampire Diaries.
Tonkin will first appear in the third episode of the CW drama's fourth season, TV Guide reports.
The Australian actress will play an old friend of

Tyler (Michael Trevino) - her character Hayley is described as "wild, sexy and very free-spirited".

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I stopped watching this very early season 3 (around the time Katherine left). I saw the last episode where stuff happened. I might tune in for a while again at the start of this season as it could be very interesting, or it could be like the last season and be bogged down in love triangles and people I don't care about *cough*Everyone*cough*

Not surprised Tonkin is going to be in it. The CW is like an incestuous little bubble. They just go from one show to the other until they get to be the lead in their own show, or die.

p.s. half the cast must be Australian now. I think Rebecca is Aussie, and did they add another Original brother after I stopped watching, also played by an Aussie. I think Elijah is a Kiwi too.

JP Liz V1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFQI1fqZFZk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5t0GVUIHm0

http://tvline.com/2012/09/04/vampire-diaries-season-4-trailer-video/

DeWitt

I wish they'd kill Bonnie already. Magic fixes everything :rolleyes:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

There was another promo I saw where it kind of implied that Bonnie was going to do some mega magic to try and stop Elena from becoming a vampire, and keep her human. I'll be so pi$$ed if they cop out on this. It's pretty much the only reason I thought about watching this show again. Dobrev is a pretty nifty actor when they give her something to get her teeth into (no pun intended) but if they just have her go back to being the dull as dishwater Elena again, I'm out, again.

prettyinpink

DeWitt wrote: »

I wish they'd kill Bonnie already. Magic fixes everything :rolleyes:

I never took to her character, wouldn't mind them killing her off!

Richard Dower

First episode out....i still have the last three episodes of season 3 to watch.

DeWitt

I don't know how to feel about this show anymore. While I can appreciate the story progression in the premiere, I find myself not caring about any of the characters.
When does Phoebe Tonkin turn up?

FouxDaFaFa

I don't like where they've gone with this. I am glad that Elena

finally chose one of the brothers but I wasn't happy with her choice. Stefan is insufferable.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I don't like where they've gone with this. I am glad that Elena

finally chose one of the brothers but I wasn't happy with her choice. Stefan is insufferable.

Looks wise I prefer

Stefan these days, but as far as the character goes I've had issue with him ever since he pronounced "mozzarella" weird way back at the beginning of the 1st series.

Not sure that needed to be spoilered, but just in case.

JP Liz V1

The Vampire Diaries Season 4 starts Monday the 15th of October 2012 at 9pm on ITV2

trendy88

Episode 2 of Season 4 was brilliant. Absolutely loved the ending-had me in tears particularly the scene at the end with Damon in the cemetery.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Didn't Stefan feed Caroline his blood at some point? I'm sure he did. So what's he got his knickers in a twist over Damon feeding Elena when she needed it?

Also, why is Tyler still alive?

And why didn't Uncle Daddy John get a God damn lantern?!?!

PhiloCypher

Great episode with a real emotional kicker at the end .

I was choked up at the end and I'm a grown assed man.

JP Liz V1

Poor Damo no friends only Alaric's ghost now

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Poor Damo no friends only Alaric's ghost now

Pretty much everyone who had a lantern go up was dead because of him, either directly or indirectly, he probably should stick to ghost friends.

Sudden Valley

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Pretty much everyone who had a lantern go up was dead because of him, either directly or indirectly, he probably should stick to ghost friends.

I think that could be said also about Elena

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I think that could be said also about Elena

Well yes, indirectly because of Elena for all of them, but Damon actually physically killed most of them :eek:

JP Liz V1

So Delena finally happens and now is it because she is sired Elena showed in seasons 1, 2 and 3 she has feelings for Damon

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So Delena finally happens and now is it because she is sired Elena showed in seasons 1, 2 and 3 she has feelings for Damon

So I have to admit I haven't really been watching this since early season 3 but I keep up with these photo recaps on TV.com (http://www.tv.com/news/the-vampire-diaries-my-brothers-keeper-review-urge-overkills-photo-recap-30175/) but I'm confused about this "Siring" business. Is there some specific reason Elena is "sired" to Damon? I don't remember there ever being an issue with this before. Like Stefan is responsible for making Caroline a vampire in the same way Damon made Elena one, but I don't remember her trying to jump Stefan's bones?

The only thing that's been consistent with all the vampire changes is the "heightened emotions" thing, so that would imply the feelings were there all along, they've just pushed their way up more?

ToniTuddle

This whole sire thing between Damon and Elena isn't a definite. I'd be pretty pissed off if that was the case!

Watched all of season 3 and all the up to date season 4 episodes over the last few days, love this show.

Important question now when is Klaus and Caroline going get together

JP Liz V1

ToniTuddle wrote: »

This whole sire thing between Damon and Elena isn't a definite. I'd be pretty pissed off if that was the case!

Watched all of season 3 and all the up to date season 4 episodes over the last few days, love this show.

Important question now when is Klaus and Caroline going get together

I prefer to see Caroline get with Stefan

JP Liz V1

Starts on TG4 tonight at 9pm

FouxDaFaFa

The siring thing annoyed me, particularly Caroline's ramblings intercut with the shots of Damon and Elena.

It seems like the show's way of absolving Elena of being seen as a harlot. It's "oh, she can't help it, she's sired" rather than "she's gone off Stefan and would prefer to be with Damon".

It's still an enjoyable show.

I quite like Klaus and Caroline. I have to keep reminding myself he's a complete psychopath.

ToniTuddle

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I prefer to see Caroline get with Stefan

Aww what!! Klaus all the way

_Bella_

I'm really annoyed by this sire thing. I have been a Delena fan and whatever happens between them now has been pretty much ruined by this sire bond, especially now they have basically made it so it is unbreakable.

The hybrid storyline was pretty meh, though I am interested in what the Professor wants to do. It sounds like he wants to bring ghosts back from the dead?

Richard Dower

_Bella_ wrote: »

I'm really annoyed by this sire thing. I have been a Delena fan and whatever happens between them now has been pretty much ruined by this sire bond, especially now they have basically made it so it is unbreakable.

The hybrid storyline was pretty meh, though I am interested in what the Professor wants to do. It sounds like he wants to bring ghosts back from the dead?

^ so Matt Davis can return to the show if Cult as widely predicted bombs......;)

FouxDaFaFa

_Bella_ wrote: »

I'm really annoyed by this sire thing. I have been a Delena fan and whatever happens between them now has been pretty much ruined by this sire bond.

I know. I had been waiting for this to happen for so long and then they had to go and do that.

Sudden Valley

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I know. I had been waiting for this to happen for so long and then they had to go and do that.

I don't know the whole idea of her getting with one brother under the same roof she had sex with the other brother is just wrong. One of the salvatores should just move out.

Elbi

I just realised it was back on TG4. How many episodes have I missed ?

Richard Dower

RIP

Carol Lockwood

....anyone over 25 is fecked on this show! :rolleyes:

JP Liz V1

Richard Dower wrote: »

RIP

Carol Lockwood

....anyone over 25 is fecked on this show! :rolleyes:

No parents or guardians are safe, Caroline better protect her mother the Sheriff she is only one left

CatEyed92

Anyone else see tonights episode? :eek::eek:

CatEyed92

CatEyed92 wrote: »

Anyone else see tonights episode? :eek::eek:

Caroline has a big mouth lol

Not convinced by Elena and Damon at all. And I like Damon..

SirDelboy18

Show is seriously annoying the sh*t out of me to the point where I think I'll give up. The entire sire bond plot is the most contrived thing ever - a stupid, basic, insulting way to keep the love triangle going when there was no need.

After Elena turned into a vampire, the natural progression was to grow closer to Damon - why introduce this crap about a sire bond?

And we are told that it only occurs in vampires where someone feels strongly for the person who turns then - so voila, it doesn't change a thing.

But the problem is that the show makes it out that Damon is doing the right thing by telling Elena to stay away? How? They made it clear she has feelings for him and that the sire bond doesn't impact on that so what is the problem? It's not as if he is making bad choices for her - he has helped her immensely this season. I just see no logical explanation for the show trying to tell us he is doing the right thing - especially when she is still sired. All he has done is told her to love him somewhere else.

And Caroline, wow. She needs to get a grip - she has this irrational hatred for Damon, especially when taking into account the fact that she has given Klaus a bit of leeway. It all just seems how false - when I watch it I can't believe that the writers would feed that garbage up.

Season 4 was brilliant until the moment they introduced the sire bond. Since that very second it has been cack.

realdanbreen

Where would I get the vampire diaries boxset?

Sudden Valley

it's kinda disappointing that everyone is just talking about the disappointing Damon sire subplot since I think the main plot surrounding the professor is actually quite good and Klaus is back to his bad ass self. I'm surprised though that anyone would question why Caroline would hate Damon considering he's tried to kill her, kill her parents and was generally a dick to her in season 1.

DeWitt

realdanbreen wrote: »

Where would I get the vampire diaries boxset?

Play.com, HMV, it's also available on netflix.

SirDelboy18

Sudden Valley wrote: »

it's kinda disappointing that everyone is just talking about the disappointing Damon sire subplot since I think the main plot surrounding the professor is actually quite good and Klaus is back to his bad ass self. I'm surprised though that anyone would question why Caroline would hate Damon considering he's tried to kill her, kill her parents and was generally a dick to her in season 1.

Yeah, but that was a long time ago and he has done plenty to help out the group since (and specifically her). It just seems that she is willing to look past the mistakes of others and with Damon it's always just "no no no".

Sudden Valley

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Yeah, but that was a long time ago and he has done plenty to help out the group since (and specifically her). It just seems that she is willing to look past the mistakes of others and with Damon it's always just "no no no".

Yeah she does seem to forgive Klaus all his past sins and his body count is way longer than Damon's. Perhaps it's just that she prefers Stefan and he has done way more things for her. I enjoy the scenes there both in together Damon is usually condescending towards her and Caroline is grossed out by him.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Yeah she does seem to forgive Klaus all his past sins and his body count is way longer than Damon's. Perhaps it's just that she prefers Stefan and he has done way more things for her. I enjoy the scenes there both in together Damon is usually condescending towards her and Caroline is grossed out by him.

I've yet to watch the last few episodes but has it been explained why Elena is "sired" to Damon but Caroline wasn't/isn't "sired" to Stefan?
Or perhaps she is and that's why she's got such beef with Damon still?

SirDelboy18

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I've yet to watch the last few episodes but has it been explained why Elena is "sired" to Damon but Caroline wasn't/isn't "sired" to Stefan?
Or perhaps she is and that's why she's got such beef with Damon still?

As a vampire you only end up sired to someone if you have feelings for them before you are turned and even then it is rare.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

As a vampire you only end up sired to someone if you have feelings for them before you are turned and even then it is rare.

So..... surely that shows that Elena's feelings are real and were there anyway? I don't understand the issue. They've all compelled people to do/say/forget things at one point or another, so if it's about having an unconscious influence over someone they're all guilty of that.

Sudden Valley

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

So..... surely that shows that Elena's feelings are real and were there anyway? I don't understand the issue. They've all compelled people to do/say/forget things at one point or another, so if it's about having an unconscious influence over someone they're all guilty of that.

I'd say the issue is that with the sire bond you could be compelling the other person all the time whether intentional or not. The other person can't disobey you.It seems to have some similarities with Klaus and his hybrids.

SirDelboy18

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

So..... surely that shows that Elena's feelings are real and were there anyway? I don't understand the issue. They've all compelled people to do/say/forget things at one point or another, so if it's about having an unconscious influence over someone they're all guilty of that.

I think most people are struggling to understand the issue to be honest. Awful writing in my view. Damon sends her away by using the sire bond - in his effort to give her free will he still takes it away. Could he not just have sired her to have free will? It makes no sense.

PhiloCypher

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I'm surprised though that anyone would question why Caroline would hate Damon considering he's tried to kill her, kill her parents and was generally a dick to her in season 1.

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SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Yeah, but that was a long time ago and he has done plenty to help out the group since (and specifically her). It just seems that she is willing to look past the mistakes of others and with Damon it's always just "no no no".

Has he ever helped her or anybody else for altruistic reasons ??? I'm not so sure myself , its always been about protecting Elena , so she has every right to still hate is guts imo.

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Yeah she does seem to forgive Klaus all his past sins and his body count is way longer than Damon's. Perhaps it's just that she prefers Stefan and he has done way more things for her. I enjoy the scenes there both in together Damon is usually condescending towards her and Caroline is grossed out by him.

The characters in this show are great at compartmentalizing , they all seem to have this "well he he's never hit me , so we're all good" attitude , Caroline has more time for Klaus then Damon as Klaus has never actively set out to hurt her(tho his schemes have hurt those she cares for) whereas Damon treated her like human trash in that first season , likewise Elena despite the fact he treated her best friend like **** for the entire first season allows herself to fall for his charms because he's nice to her.

Sidenote : wonder with all this sirebond S***E will they imply one or the other of the Salvatore brothers was sirebonded to Kathrine as they were both had feelings for her before she turned them.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

PhiloCypher wrote: »

Sidenote : wonder with all this sirebond S***E will they imply one or the other of the Salvatore brothers was sirebonded to Kathrine as they were both had feelings for her before she turned them.

It really does seem like something they just pulled out of their arses this season to screw with the Damon/Elena pairing. There's been no reference to it before at all.

I can't figure out if the writers are all on team Stefan and just thought they better give the Damon fans a little something but then dismiss it as a "sire bond". Or, if they're team Damon and are going a stupid round about way of proving that Elena really does love Damon and are trying to make him look like a martyr or something.

ViveLaVie

Does anyone else find it ridiculous the lengths they will go to to 'save' Elena? I understand they usually operate to save her life but in this season so far they have callously killed a hybrid who had worked hard on getting free of Klaus and messed around with Jeremy in order to 'possibly' save Elena from vampirism! How is it okay to kill other people and make Jeremy a murderer just on the offchance they can help Elena!? It is all a bit mental.

Sudden Valley

ViveLaVie wrote: »

Does anyone else find it ridiculous the lengths they will go to to 'save' Elena? I understand they usually operate to save her life but in this season so far they have callously killed a hybrid who had worked hard on getting free of Klaus and messed around with Jeremy in order to 'possibly' save Elena from vampirism! How is it okay to kill other people and make Jeremy a murderer just on the offchance they can help Elena!? It is all a bit mental.

I guess they've probably killed so many of the hybrids at this stage that they only consider them potential enemies and perhaps don't believe they will ever truly break the bond with Klaus. They seemed to realise it the episode later where they just had Jeremy kill a newly vamped confessed killer. In truth with Klaus being behind turning Elena back to human I'm surprised that he didn't get Jeremy to kill the quota needed in one go.