people lamping foxes versus people hunting foxes with hounds

Paddysniper

hello,
i am just wondering if those of you who lamp foxes get aggro from the people that hunt them with dogs during the day?
lot of aggro going on around here.
thanks...

cushcam

no bother down this way as there seems to be plenty of them to go around

BryanL

No issues near me.

daithi55

wouldnt call it lots of aggro
but there does be the odd bad word said in our club ie im feeding dogs all year and your going out and picking them off with a rifle sure thats not a sport etc etc

ormondprop

A small bit of it goes on here, and some old lads into hunting believe lamping foxes is illegal and there is no talking to them if you try tell them otherwise, i do both so i don't lamp any of the land where we hunt

Paddysniper

looks like people can go out for a nights lamping without being followed then.
getting out of hand here to be honest.
you get all the usual excuses alright, at the end of the day foxes are vermin.

mickquinn05

Have not came across it down this way either..

patdahat

NO problem either we do a lot of lamping and when the hounds come we can tell them where the lamp shy fox's are and even along with them fox's there is always plenty for everyone around. It will be a sad day when they are all gone.

Grizzly 45

Paddysniper wrote: »

looks like people can go out for a nights lamping without being followed then.
getting out of hand here to be honest.
you get all the usual excuses alright, at the end of the day foxes are vermin.

What part of Clare you in? PM if you want to.
Down in the South part ,and no problems here ASFIK.

daithi55

patdahat wrote: »

NO problem either we do a lot of lamping and when the hounds come we can tell them where the lamp shy fox's are and even along with them fox's there is always plenty for everyone around. It will be a sad day when they are all gone.

he didnt mention hounds i think he means other members in the area that keep dogs founding hunting foxes

charlie10

YA myself and one the lads entered the neighbouring village and got followed i pulled up as they were really pissing me off ,,when i did they just over took me,club were contacted about it and the chairman told them where to go .the statement "ye are shooting our foxs "brings me to my knees when i hear it.and the first lad that will say it face to face to me will go to his knees;)

Paddysniper

haha "shooting our foxes" is right. how many times have i heard that.
its ridiculous.
no i meant the usual sunday shoot with lots of dogs hunting acres and acres of forestry at a time and maybe 3 guns trying to cover it lol.
wont control vermin that way alone.
id have no problem bringing someone to their knees believe me, but if i weigh it up its not worth it in my opinion.

pheasntstalker

why is it this old chesnut rears it ugly head between dog man and lads lamping with guns,jaysus we,re all out to do the same thing control charlie plain and simple isnt it be it with gun and lamp or with dog and lamp, im sure farmer bloggs who is pacing the floor at nite worrying during lambing /calving ,wouldnt give 2 f"cks what way you nail charlie as long as u get him it will mean 1 lest fox to worry about surely we could agree on that

charlie10

i agree foxs being cut down is the main objective but its always the hunt lads that seem to tackle the lamp men and never the other way around. well at least in our area.thats just my experience

Paddysniper

pheasntstalker wrote: »

why is it this old chesnut rears it ugly head between dog man and lads lamping with guns,jaysus we,re all out to do the same thing control charlie plain and simple isnt it be it with gun and lamp or with dog and lamp, im sure farmer bloggs who is pacing the floor at nite worrying during lambing /calving ,wouldnt give 2 f"cks what way you nail charlie as long as u get him it will mean 1 lest fox to worry about surely we could agree on that

these boys dont care about the farmers, or other wildlife that vermin is feeding on. i guess thats the difference between a real gun club and a "fox club".

Paddysniper

charlie10 wrote: »

i agree foxs being cut down is the main objective but its always the hunt lads that seem to tackle the lamp men and never the other way around. well at least in our area.thats just my experience

exactly charlie,
theyre on a vermin list for a reason. little do they realise that by shooting more of the foxes it will leave more territorys open to less foxes which in turn will provide more food for them and they will have bigger litters and healthier foxes all round.
anyway its a bit of craic whatever way you look at it!!

garv123

Next time they complain about feeding the dogs all year around tell em buy a gun..its cheaper to feed

never any issues around here. Not even sure if there's local fox hounds that they use to beat the woods.. only the horse back lads

charlie10

well its win win for me i enjoy shooting them and it helps the phesant numbers so:D

Paddysniper

garv123 wrote: »

Next time they complain about feeding the dogs all year around tell em buy a gun..its cheaper to feed

never any issues around here. Not even sure if there's local fox hounds that they use to beat the woods.. only the horse back lads

haha i would tell them that but i would fear for peoples safety if they had a rifle in their hands

dodderangler

Never any trouble up my way no one uses hounds for foxes most farmers won't let them anyway
Hate the way people that do one way of hunting tell someone else that your killin his foxes rabbits etc
I got grief off a fella one day while out hunting with the hawk
Had two rabbits on me and the hawk on me other hand and started sayin I was takin his rabbits and him holdin rifle
I'd been huntin this land for years and never met him before told him to piss off and get a grip my hawk will only take maybe 4 rabbits on a good day
How many will he take with his poxy rifle

Paddysniper

Are the rabbits plentyfull where you are?
There's very little here anymore.
He probably said poxy hawk about you too lol.
No one owns the wildlife or vermin and it comes down to havin permission from the landowner at the end of the day.

Stonehall9

Paddysniper wrote: »

Are the rabbits plentyfull where you are?
There's very little here anymore.
He probably said poxy hawk about you too lol.
No one owns the wildlife or vermin and it comes down to havin permission from the landowner at the end of the day.

Plenty bunnies in west limerick at the moment paddy, seein lots of them in the evenings. All I need Now is a springer for training on them :-)

moby30

At the end of the day we are all sharing a common interest and should be supporting each other wether it be shooting, using Hawks etc but the problem yet again is a couple of bad eggs who have not the slightest idea what they are doing and who couldnt care less about anything are messing it up for all of us. At the start of the year up here a couple of locals asked a neighbour about hunting foxes with dogs as they said the place is over run with them which its not. Anyway as they were local he asked me if it would be ok and I was more than happy for them as long as we contacted each other so there would be no crossover between us. They never contacted me or the neighbour after this and it wasnt long before there were 6 or 7 lads been spotted and then on surrounding land that they had no permission on but the final straw was when there was damage caused on the golf couse and lambs were lost when yews dropped. Its very hard to support this kind of thing. I can almost guarantee they never got a fox so decided to go after the rabbits so there were dogs running wild everywhere. Ill say again I will support all types of hunting but between this and Illegal deer shooting up this way its messing things up for the honest law abiding hunter.

dodderangler

Paddysniper wrote: »

Are the rabbits plentyfull where you are?
There's very little here anymore.
He probably said poxy hawk about you too lol.
No one owns the wildlife or vermin and it comes down to havin permission from the landowner at the end of the day.

Yeah the land is over run by rabbits
We have black rabbits aswell which is a good sign of high population of them

Stonehall9

dodderangler wrote: »

Paddysniper wrote: »

Are the rabbits plentyfull where you are?
There's very little here anymore.
He probably said poxy hawk about you too lol.
No one owns the wildlife or vermin and it comes down to havin permission from the landowner at the end of the day.

Yeah the land is over run by rabbits
We have black rabbits aswell which is a good sign of high population of them

Black rabbits now!! Even the countryside is welcoming integration :-0

Paddysniper

That's great to hear about the rabbit population doing good in other counties. Always handy to train young springers.

The people I am having aggro with done the same thing to a field of sheep in my area too. Sauntered into the field with a pack of dogs never thinking that they would frighten the sheep.
Makes me wonder what goes on in people's heads.

Anyway I was just wondering about the general opinion of people regarding lamping, seems to be plenty support for fox culling in any shape or form.
Anyone know the law regarding being followed into a field at night and getting into a row?

pheasntstalker

as far as law that i know.if u have permission for said field/land from owner/farmer to shoot/hunt,and yer followed onto land,1 contact farmer, ask him /her if said people have permission to be on there property/land,2 if u think trouble is bound to occur ring the guards, if possible take mentel note /or write down vehicule no and description of people and give it to cops and call into landowner an explain whats gone on and that the law has bein informed that you,ve bein threatend,thats just my 2cents for what its worth,

dodderangler

I asked the farmer and he said he's a neighbour
problem is this fella rears pheasants aswell beside his house down the road and said he doesn want my hawk near them
Not my fault of I'm hunting land I have permission to hunt and my hawk kills one of his released birds
Again told him to piss off

garv123

dodderangler wrote: »

I asked the farmer and he said he's a neighbour
problem is this fella rears pheasants aswell beside his house down the road and said he doesn want my hawk near them
Not my fault of I'm hunting land I have permission to hunt and my hawk kills one of his released birds
Again told him to piss off

If your hawk takes one out of season it is your problem though

Paddysniper

pheasntstalker wrote: »

as far as law that i know.if u have permission for said field/land from owner/farmer to shoot/hunt,and yer followed onto land,1 contact farmer, ask him /her if said people have permission to be on there property/land,2 if u think trouble is bound to occur ring the guards, if possible take mentel note /or write down vehicule no and description of people and give it to cops and call into landowner an explain whats gone on and that the law has bein informed that you,ve bein threatend,thats just my 2cents for what its worth,

I know well who it is that's aggroing, it's the same tit all the time.
I'll get as much permission from farmers I can for this winter and shoot as many foxes as i can.
I should mention it to the guards as you say but it seems a bit petty to be bothering them about.
A good thump would be just the ticket, but where would that get me.

dodderangler

Imagine you were out shooting and fox runs out in front of you and you've the shotgun and bang it's dead next thing hounds and horses pop out
Imagine the look on the lads on horseback

Paddysniper

dodderangler wrote: »

Imagine you were out shooting and fox runs out in front of you and you've the shotgun and bang it's dead next thing hounds and horses pop out
Imagine the look on the lads on horseback

These fellas don't use horses, just beagles and other mongrels.
Suppose when I used the word "hounds" it was a little off putting lol.
I'd gladly shoot the fox in front of them though, from 200 yards away lol.

.243

garv123 wrote: »

If your hawk takes one out of season it is your problem though

eh no its not,
to shoot a phesant out of season it is,
but for a bird of prey to kill a phesant out of season it isnt

Paddysniper

.243 wrote: »

garv123 wrote: »

If your hawk takes one out of season it is your problem though

eh no its not,
to shoot a phesant out of season it is,
but for a bird of prey to kill a phesant out of season it isnt

It wouldn't be a problem, you can buy a remote control for your hawk on eBay

garv123

.243 wrote: »

eh no its not,
to shoot a phesant out of season it is,
but for a bird of prey to kill a phesant out of season it isnt

He if he sets his hawk out after a pheasant he is hunting out of season.

ormondprop

I dont get why a lot of people are all for lamping and against hunting with dogs or vice versa, both methods are equally effective and suitable for different areas, beating with dogs is great for places with loads of cover and rushes that aren't suitable for lamping and big open areas that can't be hunted are great for lamping, i do both and enjoy both but personaly prefer hunting with dogs, not that i dont enjoy lamping, even on days when you get nothing but meet a fox or two its great to see the dogs in action following the scent

And what really annoys me is people who give out about hunting foxes with dogs saying its cruel and a slow death for the fox being caught by a pack of dogs, because for all the years i've been at it i've never seen the dogs catch a fox yet, well not until they've ran into a lead wall that is, i hate people judging it that have never done it, same can be said for lamping too,

Both forms get a bad repuatation because of a few rogues, lampers get a bad rep because of trigger happy guys shooting at every set of eyes they see or lads missing foxes creating a load of lamp shy foxes and the dog men get a bad rep for fools going in on land with no permission or scaring livestock

Both methods are equally effective when done properly, As the old saying goes "theres more than one way to skin a cat"

springer90

garv123 wrote: »

.243 wrote: »

eh no its not,
to shoot a phesant out of season it is,
but for a bird of prey to kill a phesant out of season it isnt

He if he sets his hawk out after a pheasant he is hunting out of season.

My god i have 2 say that i keep and release a lot of pheasants and if some 1 was in the field next 2 me or the pens wit a hawk i would be best pleased. The money and effort that goes in2 them is unreal and for someone 2 hunt a hawk n kil some of them i wouldn be pleased.

Besides where is the hunt in catchin half grown pheasants may i ask?

dodderangler

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If your hawk takes one out of season it is your problem though[/Quote]
No it's not my hawk can take them out of season as long as I don't set out to hunt a pheasant which I wouldn't unless it's in season other than that I wouldn't hunt pheasant but it's not like pheasants don't be out when it's off season they are around the land I have and I can't do much to stop my hawk from going after one It's one disadvantage to having a hawk flying aroun the field watching me
If it sees something it will go for it that's why I've to be carefull around farmland with chickens

dodderangler

springer90 wrote: »

garv123 wrote: »

.243 wrote: »

eh no its not,
to shoot a phesant out of season it is,
but for a bird of prey to kill a phesant out of season it isnt

He if he sets his hawk out after a pheasant he is hunting out of season.

My god i have 2 say that i keep and release a lot of pheasants and if some 1 was in the field next 2 me or the pens wit a hawk i would be best pleased. The money and effort that goes in2 them is unreal and for someone 2 hunt a hawk n kil some of them i wouldn be pleased.

Besides where is the hunt in catchin half grown pheasants may i ask?

If you lived anywhere that I have permission to hunt and your pheasants come near my land that I hunt and my hawk kills it TOUGH it's fair game!!!! And I'd tell you aswell just for your attitude towards them
You rear them then go out and blast the hole out of them with a shotty
I'd much rather see my hawk go after them

Cork24

Lamp Foxes, and allow dogs go after them,

and hunt with Hounds on Sundays.. never had a problem,

What about people using bait and shooting Foxes at night ?

Paddysniper

Cork24 wrote: »

Lamp Foxes, and allow dogs go after them,

and hunt with Hounds on Sundays.. never had a problem,

What about people using bait and shooting Foxes at night ?

I've never heard anyone doing that, bait as in a carcass or something?
I'm for both types of vermin control,just looking for people opinions.

Paddysniper

dodderangler wrote: »

springer90 wrote: »

garv123 wrote: »

.243 wrote: »

eh no its not,
to shoot a phesant out of season it is,
but for a bird of prey to kill a phesant out of season it isnt

He if he sets his hawk out after a pheasant he is hunting out of season.

My god i have 2 say that i keep and release a lot of pheasants and if some 1 was in the field next 2 me or the pens wit a hawk i would be best pleased. The money and effort that goes in2 them is unreal and for someone 2 hunt a hawk n kil some of them i wouldn be pleased.

Besides where is the hunt in catchin half grown pheasants may i ask?

If you lived anywhere that I have permission to hunt and your pheasants come near my land that I hunt and my hawk kills it TOUGH it's fair game!!!! And I'd tell you aswell just for your attitude towards them
You rear them then go out and blast the hole out of them with a shotty
I'd much rather see my hawk go after them

To be fair, there's just as much effort
If not more effort involved in keeping a hawk as there is rearing pheasants which I have done.
In my opinion once the hawk isn't taking big numbers then fair game. Presuming the hawk owner supports the gun club in some way to help pay the poult costs and so on.

Cork24

Paddysniper wrote: »

I've never heard anyone doing that, bait as in a carcass or something?
I'm for both types of vermin control,just looking for people opinions.

I i did once i found a fox hole, shot a Rabbit place it about 10 yards away from the hole, had to wait around 1hr when the fox was coming back he stopped to eat the rabbit,

never tried bait but know a guy who has quite a few different kind,

Birdnuts

Cork24 wrote: »

I i did once i found a fox hole, shot a Rabbit place it about 10 yards away from the hole, had to wait around 1hr when the fox was coming back he stopped to eat the rabbit,

never tried bait but know a guy who has quite a few different kind,

On my place in the West I use the contents of the Larsen/crow traps to draw in foxes to the gun. A pretty succesfull method if your not feelin up to covering a large area of ground due to the weather being bad or terrain is difficult to cover etc.

Spunk84

In the north or on the border towns like monaghan or blaney we always had problems with the hounds men. You would be guaranteed a digging match every time they came across us lamping or digging.... Same ol story of them saying they were their foxes bla bla

franknrol

down my way,i know of a few sunday dog men who educate foxes, that is go out at night with the lamp and purposely fire over their heads. :mad: A$$holes

dodderangler

franknrol wrote: »

down my way,i know of a few sunday dog men who educate foxes, that is go out at night with the lamp and purposely fire over their heads. :mad: A$$holes

So they purposely miss?
Not knowing where their bullet is going to end?

blackstairsboy

dodderangler wrote: »

So they purposely miss?
Not knowing where their bullet is going to end?

Shotgun would be used. Better bang and the shot could be directed at the fox from 100 yards or so with a light load. It does not matter as long as the call is used before the shot is fired. I can tell you for sure that it would be a hell of a long time before the fox will come to a call again.

Just to add I do not do that as much as I dislike the lamping brigade around my area. Only reason is that down the road if I had a problem fox that was hard got with dogs I could lamp him myself.

Birdnuts

Used to have good fun doing fox drives as a young lad when we had a GC near the home place. You could bag anything up to half a dozen foxes in a few hrs and it provided a great work out for the lads that enjoy working with terriers, various hounds and lurchers etc. too :cool:

Paddysniper

franknrol wrote: »

down my way,i know of a few sunday dog men who educate foxes, that is go out at night with the lamp and purposely fire over their heads. :mad: A$$holes

I have a feeling too that this was going on around here.
There were some very lamp shy foxes about last year.

.223forme

i was followed one night lamping by 2 cars thinkin we wer up to no good,,pulled in on a side road and d car pulled up beside us,both lads with hurls and ready to use them(their area had got a terrible going-over with robberies the past few years)...we opened the boot and showed them d guns and FOX TAILS and while dat was good enough for the first boys,when the second car came- and auld crank got out and turned his attention to the fact that it was illegal to lamp with a rifle..he was going ballistic and sed he'd be reporting us to the local sargeant but we convinced him he didnt kno dat and dat we wouldnt be bak to his area again!! Surely this is bullshyt cuz very few foxes would be shot using shotguns alone,,, any opinions and what way is the law when it comes to rife lamping??