Roulette- is there a way of predicting the numbers

MrBinbetweener

Im always facinated why people on a roulette table take down the numbers......is this game down to luck? or is there a method to it?.....obiously covering ALL numbers is an option but i wanna profit:pac:

BKC

If you want to profit, don't play roulette.

And, yes, it is a game of chance.

okidoki987

People write down the numbers to try and 2nd guess what's coming up next.

blindside88

When a roulette wheel is not changed some numbers come up more than others, therefore by taking down these numbers (you would need to take down 1000's of numbers to get a good idea) you find out which numbers come up most frequently on that specific table and bet in those numbers each time. While it does not gurantee anything it gives you I statistically better chance for predicting the number than the 2.7% you usually have

PCPhoto

I find an interesting tactic is to watch the spinner/dealer .... and the previous numbers out...calculate which way the dealer spun the wheel and the distance left or right to the previous number....watch this for a number of spins and see if you can guess the numbers or approx numbers which might fall.

alternatively .... pick 31 numbers at random and hope you dont get hit with ones that you didn't pick .... after a long while you hit profit (which can be easily wiped with a bit of bad luck)

MrJoeSoap

PCPhoto wrote: »

I find an interesting tactic is to watch the spinner/dealer .... and the previous numbers out...calculate which way the dealer spun the wheel and the distance left or right to the previous number....watch this for a number of spins and see if you can guess the numbers or approx numbers which might fall.

Is this statistically proven, or a personal preference with no empirical data?

The key sentence here is "see if you can guess the numbers or approx numbers which might fall". You're still basically playing the same guessing game as anyone else who plays roulette and will, in the long term, lose.

jhegarty

They didn't build vegas by roulette been beatable.

MrJoeSoap

jhegarty wrote: »

They didn't build vegas by roulette been beatable.

"But it is beatable. My mate won $600 on it coz of this system that he has" et cetera

Colonel Sanders

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

jhegarty wrote: »

They didn't build vegas by roulette been beatable.

"But it is beatable. My mate won $600 on it coz of this system that he has" et cetera

"system" meaning pure luck over a finite number of spins.

Each bet you're offered on a roulette wheel has -EV for the player. Unless you're aware of a bias in the wheel or are in cahoots with the casino worker you can't win in the long run

PCPhoto

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Is this statistically proven, or a personal preference with no empirical data?

The key sentence here is "see if you can guess the numbers or approx numbers which might fall". You're still basically playing the same guessing game as anyone else who plays roulette and will, in the long term, lose.

I'm not saying that it's guaranteed - its not a system per se .... just more calculated method of recording which area the ball will/should fall into.... instead of random selection.

I have played and won plenty of times (changing €200 to €1000 in less than 10mins) ... BUT .... I have also played and lost my €200 ...in less than 5 mins !!

I gamble what I can afford to loose and playing roulette should be done with the exact same discipline as other casino games .... consider your money lost before you start ...if you manage to walk away with your money or extra ...well and good, if you dont ...then at least you have enjoyed your game (hopefully).

Formation

The answer is no.

No system available.

No way to beat it.

Mug game.

BKC

Martingale.

I kid, but I do admit I've done it a few times.

gamblingsports

Nope! this is a game of chance!

gnella

if you are really interested why not read this and test on live roulette(betfair have this and maybe some more)

Formation

PCPhoto wrote: »

I'm not saying that it's guaranteed - its not a system per se .... just more calculated method of recording which area the ball will/should fall into.... instead of random selection.

I have played and won plenty of times (changing ?200 to ?1000 in less than 10mins) ... BUT .... I have also played and lost my ?200 ...in less than 5 mins !! I gamble what I can afford to loose and playing roulette should be done with the exact same discipline as other casino games .... consider your money lost before you start ...if you manage to walk away with your money or extra ...well and good, if you dont ...then at least you have enjoyed your game (hopefully).

if you can do those equasions in your head in the time of each spin you are the smartest person on the planet! Fcuk they couldnt even measure you on an IQ scale!

PCPhoto

Formation wrote: »

if you can do those equasions in your head in the time of each spin you are the smartest person on the planet! Fcuk they couldnt even measure you on an IQ scale!

think outside the box !!

you look at the wheel where the last number is and look left and right of it .... its not always about maths - common sense also works !

watch which direction the spinner is turning the wheel and watch the result - takes less than 2mins to get into a good guestimation of where it might land .... but its only an indication of where it "should" land .... sometimes it'll work...sometimes it wont !

four18

Add the numbers 1-36 together = 666. Run Far away !

Doyler92

four18 wrote: »

Add the numbers 1-36 together = 666. Run Far away !

Also add the 3 numbers in each of the streets it equals 6.

1 + 2 + 3 = 6

Then the 10,11,12 street,
1+0+1+1+1+2=6

34,35,36 street,
3+4+3+5+3+6 = 24 - 2+4=6.

MrJoeSoap

four18 wrote: »

Add the numbers 1-36 together = 666. Run Far away !

Doyler92 wrote: »

Also add the 3 numbers in each of the streets it equals 6.

1 + 2 + 3 = 6

Then the 10,11,12 street,
1+0+1+1+1+2=6

34,35,36 street,
3+4+3+5+3+6 = 24 - 2+4=6.

What is the relevance of 6, or 666 for that matter?

the groutch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrSiIqCpxB8

MrJoeSoap

Ah right, thanks. Thought there was some sort of sensible/logical thinking behind it there for a second.

four18

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/seat_666.htm

Doyler92

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

What is the relevance of 6, or 666 for that matter?

None really as such. Just an interesting fact I suppose.

lorrieq

I have used the doubling strategy before.

"Suppose your initial bet is $10 on red. If the ball lands on a black number, you would double your next bet to $20. If you were to lose that wager, you would double your next bet to $40. Let’s suppose luck favors you and you win that bet. The $40 would compensate you for the $10 and $20 losses from the previous two bets. Plus, it would leave you with a $10 profit (equal to your initial bet)."

It was working well for me and my mate... until we got 8 blacks in a row. We had started with 70 quid and began always with a 50 cent bet, which was subsequently doubled many times.

If you have enough money this could potentially work. Most roulettes have upper betting limits though. However, reaching these with this strategy would be a very unlucky streak.

ft9

lorrieq wrote: »

I have used the doubling strategy before.

"Suppose your initial bet is $10 on red. If the ball lands on a black number, you would double your next bet to $20. If you were to lose that wager, you would double your next bet to $40. Let’s suppose luck favors you and you win that bet. The $40 would compensate you for the $10 and $20 losses from the previous two bets. Plus, it would leave you with a $10 profit (equal to your initial bet)."

It was working well for me and my mate... until we got 8 blacks in a row. We had started with 70 quid and began always with a 50 cent bet, which was subsequently doubled many times.

If you have enough money this could potentially work. Most roulettes have upper betting limits though. However, reaching these with this strategy would be a very unlucky streak.

No, just no!

MrJoeSoap

lorrieq wrote: »

If you have enough money this could potentially work.

Anything "could potentially work", but the odds are stacked against you. The "system" that you are using is well known, well documented, and doesn't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)

lorrieq

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

lorrieq wrote: »

If you have enough money this could potentially work.

Anything "could potentially work", but the odds are stacked against you. The "system" that you are using is well known, well documented, and doesn't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)

I know it's well known.

Apologies.

latenia

A Russian crew did come up with a way of predicting the numbers and cleared out a few London casinos before getting barred. They were allowed keep the cash though because there's no law against what they did in the UK. Try this in the States and you'll end up with your head in a vice:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4069629.stm

ryancooney

If you enjoy losing your money while seeing a ball spin around,play roulette,i like spending my money on other things but each to their own.

kryogen

I just bet a 3rd of the wheel (or thereabouts) if I am in the mood for roulette, if Im hitting its great, if not meh, I tried to work out a system for roulette but there just isn't one tbh.

I did watch a guy one night who amazed me though, he would sit and take note of each number on a big pad, would only bet 3 numbers every few spins and did hit about 70% of the time, no idea how he was doing it, Im sure it must have been luck regardless of what he thought he was doing though

He refused to divulge the method he was using.

boniekt

I think it wasn't just luck. He had system. tHowever there is no 100% system for roulette.
I like playing from time to time, sometimes winning, sometimes losing.
I am using the simple systems and they're working quite ok but the truth is, casino always wins with players who can't stop themselves from playing. People think that if they won 50 eur they probably will win another 50. The more time you playing, probability your lose is bigger.
That's why I have stop/loss limit - when I lose 20 or win 40 euro one day - my game is finished.

Formation

boniekt wrote: »

I think it wasn't just luck. He had system. tHowever there is no 100% system for roulette.
I like playing from time to time, sometimes winning, sometimes losing.
I am using the simple systems and they're working quite ok but the truth is, casino always wins with players who can't stop themselves from playing. People think that if they won 50 eur they probably will win another 50. The more time you playing, probability your lose is bigger.
That's why I have stop/loss limit - when I lose 20 or win 40 euro one day - my game is finished.

whether you play 10 sessions per months of 100 hands each or 1 session per month of 1000 hands your odds are the same.

That is not a "system".

If you play roullette you will lose sooner or later and that is a the casinos system.

If you are willing to lose some money for the enjoyment that is one thing but if you play roulette to make money you better get used to beans and toast.

the groutch

anyone who thinks there is a such thing as a "system" for roulette is an idiot, and deserves to lose their money.

Dazza

Guys what are yer opinions on this? This method uses the way the online roulette apps are programmed to its advantage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLvGhKpQML0&feature=youtu.be

beeroclock

Theres an intersting chapter in Alex's adventures in numberland on probability and gambling which might interest you

The house always wins!

the groutch

Dazza wrote: »

Guys what are yer opinions on this? This method uses the way the online roulette apps are programmed to its advantage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLvGhKpQML0&feature=youtu.be

that's the Martingale "system" :pac:

Dazza

the groutch wrote: »

that's the Martingale "system" :pac:

Yes but do you think it would work :L?

Formation

do a bit of work yourself,

if you double your bet 6 times and lose each time you have lost 63 times your first bet so you need to avoid that 6 bad spins in a row more than 1 in 63 times. It statistically happens 1 in 55 times.

There is absolutely no way to beat roulette.

It should be illeagle to offer this game.

Its such a stupid question that I have to figure out how to stop this thread appearing in "my threads" so i am not tempted to look at it again.

Dazza

Formation wrote: »

do a bit of work yourself,

if you double your bet 6 times and lose each time you have lost 63 times your first bet so you need to avoid that 6 bad spins in a row more than 1 in 63 times. It statistically happens 1 in 55 times.

There is absolutely no way to beat roulette.

It should be illeagle to offer this game.

Its such a stupid question that I have to figure out how to stop this thread appearing in "my threads" so i am not tempted to look at it again.

So you didnt watch the video :rolleyes:
The online application version is programmed that you cant get the same number 7 times in a row. ... So I was wondering is there a catch to this?

shocksy

Dazza wrote: »

So you didnt watch the video :rolleyes:
The online application version is programmed that you cant get the same number 7 times in a row. ... So I was wondering is there a catch to this?

I have seen online casino's bring the same colour or odd/even out more than 7 times.

Unless you have an unlimited bankroll in your account it will catch you sooner or later then clean you right out, the house also has the advantage of landing on green even after 7 straight colours etc. House will always win. Roulette cannot be beaten.

28064212

Dazza wrote: »

So you didnt watch the video :rolleyes:
The online application version is programmed that you cant get the same number 7 times in a row. ... So I was wondering is there a catch to this?

What's his basis for believing this exactly? It's much easier for a roulette application to just create a random number, they'd have to add coding to make sure the colour didn't appear 7 times in a row. And their reason for adding in this coding is... what? Why would they do extra work to make sure their system is easily beatable, using a system which has been around for decades, and is very commonly used in roulette by people who don't understand mathemathics (i.e. their target audience)?

Formation

Not all online casinos use the same software.

Some people have to be protected from themselves.

Others shouldnt be allowed to reproduce.

Anybody have a new and interesting way to say "roulette is unbeatable"?

numbers man

Formation wrote: »

Not all online casinos use the same software.

Some people have to be protected from themselves.

Others shouldnt be allowed to reproduce.

Anybody have a new and interesting way to say "roulette is unbeatable"?

Roulette has been beaten plent of times in the history of gambling. In fact, if you're smart enough, most casino games can be beaten.

Here's one who's beaten it :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsEPkStpE4

And here is a very succesful man who has beaten almost every casino game.

http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/thorp/tog.htm

lamoss

I had a look at those series of videos above ^^^ and they are well worth watching . As all those events shown are now in the past ,you can bet the casinos have covered any discrepancies due to the bias of the wheel.
As the guy in charge of the casino said the players spotted the bias in the wheels and used it to their advantage.
Now all the casinos most proberly swap the platters , the casings and bearings of the wheels pretty regular to prevent this.

If their is a system out there now, and is being used it will be kept very quiet by the casinos and whoever is using it so not to draw attention to it

DB74

numbers man wrote: »

And here is a very succesful man who has beaten almost every casino game.

http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/thorp/tog.htm

I read the chapter on Roulette and he doesn't say that it can be beaten. He theorises that it may be possible to beat it using a movie camera, stopwatch and a computer to predict approximately where the ball may land based on the speed of the ball and speed of the rotator and using a computer to predict it but he never actually says that he used the method at all.

brumbo

You can predict the numbers if you find a biased wheel or dealer signatures. Otherwise you have to use Roulette systems and strategies that keep you in the game for a long time, meaning they accept randomness as a factors. You then need to play no zero roulette where the casino has no advantage.

Snowman11

PCPhoto wrote: »

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Is this statistically proven, or a personal preference with no empirical data?

The key sentence here is "see if you can guess the numbers or approx numbers which might fall". You're still basically playing the same guessing game as anyone else who plays roulette and will, in the long term, lose.

I'm not saying that it's guaranteed - its not a system per se .... just more calculated method of recording which area the ball will/should fall into.... instead of random selection.

I have played and won plenty of times (changing €200 to €1000 in less than 10mins) ... BUT .... I have also played and lost my €200 ...in less than 5 mins !!

I gamble what I can afford to loose and playing roulette should be done with the exact same discipline as other casino games .... consider your money lost before you start ...if you manage to walk away with your money or extra ...well and good, if you dont ...then at least you have enjoyed your game (hopefully).

I know what your saying once in a space in 3 hours I made 500 euro into 10000. But many times in a space in 2 mins I could lose 500 euro. Its not what can you bet it the amount u can lose when betting